All Christians must die!!!

Cobus · Sep 8, 2011

I am finished, if you beieve IN Chrsit you cannot sin, becasue HE IS IN YOU. If you sin you are from the devil. If you want to argue more Go argue with God, He wrote that not me... I do not argue with God or the Word or even with you, I answerd you did not believe, so Sorry no more answers coming. Enjoy your sin, I did! but now I enjoy my salvation, and i am NOT interested in any other thatn the ONE MY JESUS gives.

I will read your posts but i will not reply, the Bible teaches, there comes a time when not responding is the best, that time is now for me. I will read and answer much more selectively. To argue this is a sin, and one I STOP right now!
May the Lord Jesus lead me on to my REBITH!

lil_christian · Sep 8, 2011

Cobus said:

We don't always listen to the Holy Spirit. And even if the Holy Spirit is in you, that doesn't mean the Holy Spirit IS you, and therefore, the Holy Spirit would not be the one who partakes in the sin, but you. Nobody else except you and Satan are in on that. Sorry. And you can't lead the Holy Spirit into sin....what kind of rubbish is that? And the Holy Spirit does not lead you into sin. Sometimes the Holy Spirit will try to influence you out of it, but after your human flesh refuses, there's nothing more that the Holy Spirit can do. And if you were totally sinless...that would be like you being a remote controlled toy. Everything focusing on "Don't be sinless. Don't be sinless. Doing this might be a sin. Doing that might be a sin. Oooooh boy I better not do that. That might be a sin." and where would your life be? You'd just be someone who is plain old miserable.

And yes, when we sin, we do fall farther from God. But the main thing is, you have to go back to Him. You can put on a pity party, but for pity sakes, go back to Him! You WILL be forgiven! Someone took our place, and we have been pardoned. But don't just take my word for it:

Romans 3:23

New American Standard Bible (NASB)

23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God

Romans 6:23

King James Version (KJV)

23For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Romans 10:9

King James Version (KJV)

9That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

I decided to use the KJV for the last two verses because I liked them better in the KJV than the NASB

lil_christian · Sep 8, 2011

Cobus said:

I am finished, if you beieve IN Chrsit you cannot sin, becasue HE IS IN YOU. If you sin you are from the devil. If you want to argue more Go argue with God, He wrote that not me... I do not argue with God or the Word or even with you, I answerd you did not believe, so Sorry no more answers coming. Enjoy your sin, I did! but now I enjoy my salvation, and i am NOT interested in any other thatn the ONE MY JESUS gives.

I will read your posts but i will not reply, the Bible teaches, there comes a time when not responding is the best, that time is now for me. I will read and answer much more selectively. To argue this is a sin, and one I STOP right now!
May the Lord Jesus lead me on to my REBITH!

Ok, enjoy!

Strangelove · Sep 8, 2011

Cobus said:

We are not found GUILTY of sin because Jesus blood washes it away. God forgets our sin, by Grace through FAITH (faith that happens to bear good fruit in the believers life).

Laters.

No one is sinless in deed.

G'luck bud.

lil_christian · Sep 8, 2011

We will fail each other, and we will fail Jesus....but Jesus will never, EVER, fail us. No matter what

eternally-gratefull · Sep 8, 2011

lil_christian said:

I love this verse. Jesus makes it clear.

He did not say "Whoever believes in him, and is baptized in water, Attends church, takes communion, repents of each sin you commit, abides in me. Stops from all sin, Is perfect in all ways, might Never perish, But might have eternal life.

Where do they get this stuff?

lil_christian · Sep 8, 2011

eternally-gratefull said:

I don't really know...I mean, I kind of do, but not totally...

eternally-gratefull · Sep 8, 2011

lil_christian said:

As scripture says, he is faithful, even when we are faithless, he can not deny himself.

lil_christian · Sep 8, 2011

Yes, amen

eternally-gratefull · Sep 8, 2011

lil_christian said:

I think it is the same place the pharisees were. They are to proud to admit they need God. and thus Christ becomes useless to them, and also, pride says I can save myself. Pride rejects the fact that we can have no part in your salvation. So in pride. Although they may or may not believe Christ died for them. They do not have faith that his work is enough. they must add to his work to save them. placing faith on self and not Christ.

It is really the same pride as the licentious person. Only the licentious does not think they are a bad person, and thus use Christ as a "just in case" but really have no faith in him whatsoever, I doubt they are even sure he died and were raised at all. Just word of mouth, and as James said, a dead faith.

lil_christian · Sep 8, 2011

Here is what my conclusion boils down to: Jesus' love is unconditional. He takes us just as we are. And so, if there really are all these other conditions, like saying we have to be sinless or else, then Jesus would have been a liar. He wouldn't have been telling the truth...

zone · Sep 8, 2011

Cobus said:

not sure if you are capable of a coherent sentence cobus, and the mysterious lingo is kind of fun i bet.
but let's be real clear - you would agree it is very serious, yes?

its a reasonably safe bet (though not 100% certain since for some reason you are a grown man chooses to talk baby talk), that ZZ at CC is me.

- anticipates standard "prophet's" response: why you think i say about you? you must feel convicted, etc.

reply -

you will agree, that whoever ZZ at CC is may be in a lot of trouble, since during your visit with Jesus this morning He said He does not know ZZ at CC.

i presume we are to extrapolate from this, using scripture that it is akin to "I never knew you", since the knowing means foreknowing, intimately, chosen.

so, ZZ at CC is in trouble, right Cobus? Jesus told you PERSONALLY that He doesn't know ZZ.

question:

is it important to tell ZZ who they are. since God wants to save people, shouldn't ZZ know they are not known by Jesus? so, though the 5 year old babbling is fun for you, do you have the courage to stand behind this claim you are making?

now your testimony of your visit with Jesus is no small matter, no sir. this is as serious as it gets.

if you are credible, you will stand behind what you have said Jesus told you personally.

put very very simply for you Cobus:

are you making the claim that you had a conversation with Jesus in which He told you He does not know me? (if there is another member that fits ZZ, perhaps they should be brought here to hear what Jesus told you about them).

your answer should be a clear YES OR NO.

this is an extremely serious matter cobus.

i'll wait for your answer.
zone.

lil_christian · Sep 8, 2011

zone said:

not sure if you are capable of a coherent sentence cobus, and the mysterious lingo is kind of fun i bet.
but let's be real clear - you would agree it is very serious, yes?

its a reasonably safe bet (though not 100% certain since for some reason you are a grown man chooses to talk baby talk), that ZZ at CC is me.

- anticipates standard "prophet's" response: why you think i say about you? you must feel convicted, etc.

reply -

you will agree, that whoever ZZ at CC is may be in a lot of trouble, since during your visit with Jesus this morning He said He does not know ZZ at CC.

i presume we are to extrapolate from this, using scripture that it is akin to "I never knew you", since the knowing means foreknowing, intimately, chosen.

so, ZZ at CC is in trouble, right Cobus? Jesus told you PERSONALLY that He doesn't know ZZ.

question:

is it important to tell ZZ who they are. since God wants to save people, shouldn't ZZ know they are not known by Jesus? so, though the 5 year old babbling is fun for you, do you have the courage to stand behind this claim you are making?

now your testimony of your visit with Jesus is no small matter, no sir. this is as serious as it gets.

if you are credible, you will stand behind what you have said Jesus told you personally.

put very very simply for you Cobus:

are you making the claim that you had a conversation with Jesus in which He told you He does not know me? (if there is another member that fits ZZ, perhaps they should be brought here to hear what Jesus told you about them).

your answer should be a clear YES OR NO.

this is an extremely serious matter cobus.

i'll wait for your answer.
zone.

Yeah....I typed in "ZZ" and one result was "ZZZZZZZZZZ"

zone · Sep 8, 2011

lil_christian said:

yes.
well, whoever ZZ is, this is an extremely grave matter.

we have 2 choices:

1 - Cobus had a visit, a two-way conversation with Jesus, where Jesus told Cobus He does not know ZZ, and therefore ZZ is not saved.

2 - Cobus is lying.

so i'll wait here to see what cobus has to say.

lil_christian · Sep 8, 2011

I'm curious on what he will say, too....

eternally-gratefull · Sep 8, 2011

lil_christian said:

Exactly. That is why scripture says he can not deny himself, Because he promised to love us no matter what.based solely on his promise of eternal life, and our trust in that promise. If we would change that promise. or take it away from us for any reason. Then as you say, he is a liar. and has denied himself.

lil_christian · Sep 8, 2011

And then we really wouldn't be saved

eternally-gratefull · Sep 8, 2011

zone said:

All these people hearing voices in their head. Don't they have medicine for that? I know they use to institutionalise them. But now I think medecine works.

sarcasm aside. Satan comes as an angel of light. Satan does know ZZ (If we are right in who she is) because we know she is a danger to satan when it comes to the gospel of Christ. Then again. Satan is also the master liar. He lies well, and most do not even know it is a lie he is so good.

eternally-gratefull · Sep 8, 2011

lil_christian said:

Exactly! Which is why it is such a dangerous doctrine. It makes jesus a liar. If jesus lied. no one will make it to heaven. NO ONE! In fact, Jesus will spend eternity in hell with us. because he is dead to his father because of sin also!

lil_christian · Sep 8, 2011

eternally-gratefull said:

Wow...that's just scarey!

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