Preparation for the tribulation.

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1) you only reported what we both agree on.
So your "wrong" comment needs clarification. We both agree to your verse
2) you need to stick to what my statement is and show me where Matt 25 is incorrect.
3) most all believers are offended by the 10 virgin parable
4) most all believers change the parable to suit what you believe.
5) in the parable, half go, half stay.
Jesus gives the SAME DYNAMIC in the same breath with the "one taken" of Matt 24.
sorry none of that made much sense to me.

I remember your statement I think something about every single person takes the mark of the beast, which is an outright lie and you should know better. even if you're a pre Trib believe in Christian not everyone takes the mark of the beast revelations 12 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. 1260 days brings it to the day Jesus comes see not everybody not every single person take some mark of the beast.
 

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No, otherwise known as the 6th Seal Parousia/"coming."

He doesn't come when the seal is opened. Teh seal only shows future events which is why it can describe second coming events while Jesus remains in heaven to finish opening the seals.
 

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No. 100 percent of Christians will be raptured. God isn't going to miss or forget anyone.
Then why would the Antichrist force people to take the mark of the beast under threat of being beheaded? Who gets beheaded if 100% of Christians were raptured before then?
 

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""Matthew 25:1-13 This tells us more about the good servants. This parable is about virgins who have their lamps lit and are awaiting the coming of Jesus. So these are all the good servants and not the evil servants. But half of them are foolish, they didn't take oil in their vessels because they thought they could simply borrow someone else's oil. This also describes many in Christianity who come to church to get their one week supply of oil instead of having a personal relationship with the Lord.""

So it is half the Christians taken
Only 9 sentences separate Jesus 2 separate examples of half taken/left.

2 examples given. Almost together.
That is powerful.
Roughly half the church is left behind according to Jesus.
What are you doing ?


The 10 virgin parable has nothing to do with a pretribulation rapture. You are twisting it to making the story something it's not .


What the parable is about


  • The parable is a warning to be prepared for the unexpected and not to assume that salvation is guaranteed
  • It shows that being ready for the Second Coming involves living a life of faith and following the teachings of Jesus
  • The parable emphasizes that each person must prepare their own faith and not rely on others
 

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Then why would the Antichrist force people to take the mark of the beast under threat of being beheaded? Who gets beheaded if 100% of Christians were raptured before then?

The rapture happens the day the trib ends. Those who are alive and remain are survivors of the trib. 100 percent of them are raptured.
 

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The rapture happens the day the trib ends. Those who are alive and remain are survivors of the trib. 100 percent of them are raptured.
Oh, the ole misogynist gospel, Jesus bloodies up His bride for a few years before she is raptured. No thanks.
 

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Oh, the ole misogynist gospel, Jesus bloodies up His bride for a few years before she is raptured. No thanks.
That's why God has sent you strong delusion because the love of the truth is too hard for you to bear. It's something to do with your fear or your personal View of what you think God should be like. When you say no thanks you say no thanks to God.


11.And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie
 

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That's why God has sent you strong delusion because the love of the truth is too hard for you to bear. It's something to do with your fear or your personal View of what you think God should be like. When you say no thanks you say no thanks to God.


11.And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie
By all means, show me Bible verses and I will be happy to examine your Biblical basis. But accusing me of being someone who is full of deceit and unrighteousness and is going to perish with the unbelievers because I do not love the truth. That is some very serious slander.

I have a blog on the rapture. I have posted 13,000+ posts, every single post is based on Bible verses that in some way or the other deal with this topic. I consider this very slanderous to say I do not have the love of the truth.
 

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Oh, the ole misogynist gospel, Jesus bloodies up His bride for a few years before she is raptured. No thanks.

Hypocrisy is never a good look since you have the bride suffering the same thing ie: trib saints. You are wrong anyways, it isn't Jesus harming his own bride. satan does that but go ahead and keep blaming Jesus for it and see how that works out.
 

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By all means, show me Bible verses and I will be happy to examine your Biblical basis. But accusing me of being someone who is full of deceit and unrighteousness and is going to perish with the unbelievers because I do not love the truth. That is some very serious slander.

I have a blog on the rapture. I have posted 13,000+ posts, every single post is based on Bible verses that in some way or the other deal with this topic. I consider this very slanderous to say I do not have the love of the truth.
It's a waste of time big noteing about your-self to me . And you can try and justify your delusion any way you like, it's still the same. God Has sent you strong delusion. and it's not a slander if it's from the Bible.
 

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It's a waste of time big noteing about your-self to me . And you can try and justify your delusion any way you like, it's still the same. God Has sent you strong delusion. and it's not a slander if it's from the Bible.
You have not provided any Bible, I have already said I would examine any Bible you present.
 

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Hypocrisy is never a good look since you have the bride suffering the same thing ie: trib saints. You are wrong anyways, it isn't Jesus harming his own bride. satan does that but go ahead and keep blaming Jesus for it and see how that works out.
Why is it that people who are supposedly Christians discussing doctrines that are not essential to salvation are throwing vicious slander around like the word hypocrisy. If you have some Bible verses to discuss that would be fine, but I am not sensing the words of life here.
 

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By all means, show me Bible verses and I will be happy to examine your Biblical basis. But accusing me of being someone who is full of deceit and unrighteousness and is going to perish with the unbelievers because I do not love the truth. That is some very serious slander.

I have a blog on the rapture. I have posted 13,000+ posts, every single post is based on Bible verses that in some way or the other deal with this topic. I consider this very slanderous to say I do not have the love of the truth.

It's a insult to say "bloody the bride up before the wedding NO Thanks" it's an insult to God's word, and an insult to God. And all his children that Go through the fire .

Zechariah 13:9 - And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.

Job 23:10 But he knoweth the way that I take: when he hath tried me, I shall come forth as gold .


And this verse is for you

Rev3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

The bride will be white and nice and clean and try to by the fire before he sees us, he doesn't want a dirty bride Full of impurities.
 
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And this verse is for you

Rev3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

The bride will be white and nice and clean and try to by the fire before he sees us, he doesn't want a dirty bride Full of impurities.
Hello BOY,

CONSIDER the following couple of points:

1) 1 CORINTHIANS 6:11 says,


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Do you believe this?


Do you believe what 2 Corinthians 11:2 also has to say to "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" (us)?
(and CONSIDER the related passages which use the word "[to] PRESENT - G3936" like is also used in this verse... also about "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY [/us]" such as 2Cor4:14, Eph5:27 [in view of 1Th3:13/4:17 (up there :) )], Col1:22,27b,c ["c" being future... "the HOPE of glory" (a "sure-hope"... not a wishful-thinking kind of hope)]);





2) Revelation 3:18 (your verse) is set in the CONTEXT of words / letters "to the churchES"--see this said 7x... to EACH of the "7 churchES" in this section ("the things WHICH ARE" section, chpts 2-3)--Note this is not the same as saying "to the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" (i.e. "churchES" are made up of BOTH believers and those who are NOT actually connected with Christ [i.e. the unsaved]; whereas "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" consists of ONLY "believers" (of "this present age [singular]"--ALL those saved since the first century / Pentecost / see Eph1:20-23 "WHEN [as to its existence]"--see also what Jesus said in John 7:39 AS TO this same "when" issue.)


The "Lukewarm" that He is addressing in Rev3:14-22 are NOT "saved" persons; note that the text states "I WOULD thou wert cold or hot" (that's His will), but He's saying they are not either of those.
"Cold" or "Hot" indicates they'd be CONNECTED to [a / the] SOURCE, just as the aquaducts would be, as they are connected with a SOURCE (either HOT or COLD), back in that day and place. By saying this, He is making the point that they are NOT connected with THE SOURCE (Jesus Christ) and thus will be "spewed" out of His mouth (and will be "tried in the fire"--I believe this refers to the Tribulation period which FOLLOWS "the things WHICH ARE" section [chpts 2-3], [that is] IN "the things which must come to pass IN QUICKNESS [noun]" section, i.e. the 7-yr Trib--see Rev1:1/1:19c/4:1.

Consequently, this is NOT saying that "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" are who will enter and experience the TRIB yrs (COMPARE ALSO the promise made in 3:5 "SHALL BE clothed in 'white himation'" is SHOWN as being/having been FULFILLED in 4:4 "HAVING BEEN CLOTHED in 'white himation'" BEFORE the FIRST SEAL has been opened at the START of that "IN QUICKNESS [noun] / 7-yr period" we commonly call the Tribulation Period, or 70th Week of Daniel (the "future" aspect of the Book of Rev).

How does your viewpoint explain this? (meaning, the PROMISE written in 3:5 ["the same SHALL BE CLOTHED in"] being SHOWN as having been FULFILLED ["HAVING BEEN CLOTHED in..."] in 4:4 [BEFORE Seal #1 / start of Trib])
 

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It's a insult to say "bloody the bride up before the wedding NO Thanks" it's an insult to God's word, and an insult to God. And all his children that Go through the fire .

Zechariah 13:9 - And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.

Job 23:10 But he knoweth the way that I take: when he hath tried me, I shall come forth as gold .


And this verse is for you

Rev3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

The bride will be white and nice and clean and try to by the fire before he sees us, he doesn't want a dirty bride Full of impurities.
So one verse says "He'll bring a third through the fire" and you said it was 100%.

The other verse is to a single church, the one that the Lord is vomiting out of His mouth, the one that He has been locked out of. How is that 100%?

I agree that most Christians will not be raptured "before the hour of trial" but how is Revelation 3:18 proof of your doctrine when the Lord told Philadelphia because they had kept the word He would keep them out of the hour of trial that is to come upon the whole earth?

Neither of these verses says 100% and in fact they both say it isn't 100% when you look at the context or at what they say.
 
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I agree that most Christians will not be raptured "before the hour of trial" but how is Revelation 3:18 proof of your doctrine when the Lord told Philadelphia because they had kept the word He would keep them out of the hour of trial that is to come upon the whole earth?
The word in that verse actually means guard, not 'keep from.'

Because you guard the word of my endurance, I also will guard you out of the hour of the trial about to come upon the whole inhabited land to try the ones dwelling upon the land. Revelation 3:10

Guard
G5083 τηρέω tereo (tee-re'-ō) v.
1. to guard (from loss or injury).
2. (properly) by keeping the eye upon, i.e. to note (a prophecy).
 

ZNP

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The word in that verse actually means guard, not 'keep from.'

Because you guard the word of my endurance, I also will guard you out of the hour of the trial about to come upon the whole inhabited land to try the ones dwelling upon the land. Revelation 3:10

Guard
G5083 τηρέω tereo (tee-re'-ō) v.
1. to guard (from loss or injury).
2. (properly) by keeping the eye upon, i.e. to note (a prophecy).
Yes, to keep, to guard. This is what Harpazo means and Isaiah 26 means. Some will be caught up into the heavenly chamber to be kept and guarded.

The Day of Judgement is depicted in the Day of Atonement, the 10th of Tishrei. Ten days earlier (ten years) the Feast of Trumpets announces the coming of the King. Ten years before the day of judgement we begin to hear the trumpets sounding the alarm.

Seven days before the day of Judgment the High Priest is taken into the Temple to stay in a chamber in the temple to be kept safe for the Day of atonement. That is a type of this first rapture.

Once again, you have not provided a single Bible reference that would indicate 100% of the believers go through the last seven years of tribulation. Yes, some do go through the furnace of fire to be refined like Shadrach, Meshech and Abednego. But Daniel didn't. That is 1/4th of the believers in the book of Daniel do not.