Tasted Death for every Man !
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Son, no you're not. You're explaining a meaning of the text that is not accurate.
When people say "Christ only died for the elect" or something similar to that they inadvertently expose their bias against others not like themselves. This usually has roots in denominational teaching: raised in an "us vs. them" culture, they just expand the boundaries of their prejudice to include more people on the "them" side.
For Moses writes about the righteousness which is of the law, “The man who does those things shall live by them.” 6 But the righteousness of faith speaks in this way, “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’ ” (that is, to bring Christ down from above) 7 or, “ ‘Who will descend into the abyss?’ ” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). 8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach): 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
Did you ever stop to think "Why does it matter?" If we are not privy to who is going to heaven, then why does it matter if Christ died for all or for some? How does that knowledge change our life? It shouldn't, unless there is a scheme that informs the behavior of people who believe such things.
When people say "Christ only died for the elect" or something similar to that they inadvertently expose their bias against others not like themselves. This usually has roots in denominational teaching: raised in an "us vs. them" culture, they just expand the boundaries of their prejudice to include more people on the "them" side.
For Moses writes about the righteousness which is of the law, “The man who does those things shall live by them.” 6 But the righteousness of faith speaks in this way, “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’ ” (that is, to bring Christ down from above) 7 or, “ ‘Who will descend into the abyss?’ ” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). 8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach): 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
Did you ever stop to think "Why does it matter?" If we are not privy to who is going to heaven, then why does it matter if Christ died for all or for some? How does that knowledge change our life? It shouldn't, unless there is a scheme that informs the behavior of people who believe such things.
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Okay, thanks, so you know truth the only one and those in your group
So tell me wha this my error, since you know, as if you ar the leader
Go ahead reply, Read the OP
Love to you from God to you, and from me since God took upon himself the sin of the entire world without asking anyone to do it. That is amazing Love to me seeing it in humility, thanksgiving and praise I respond with daily knowing I am not qualified
Do you think you are? Just asking wanting clarity what you might be after here.
Do you believe Jesus is the way, the truth only truth and new live offered to all people or not?
So tell me wha this my error, since you know, as if you ar the leader
Go ahead reply, Read the OP
Love to you from God to you, and from me since God took upon himself the sin of the entire world without asking anyone to do it. That is amazing Love to me seeing it in humility, thanksgiving and praise I respond with daily knowing I am not qualified
Do you think you are? Just asking wanting clarity what you might be after here.
Do you believe Jesus is the way, the truth only truth and new live offered to all people or not?
Christ's sacrificial death is sufficient to pay the sin debt for all but efficacious only unto those
who believe by grace through faith. So we are back to, who believes? Who has eyes to see and
ears to hear? Those are given by God. The natural man is not going to agree with and believe
that which he hears as foolishness, while remaining inherently hostile in his mind toward God.
From: John 8:34; 2 Peter 2:19a; Galatians 4:8; Romans 7:14; Ephesians 2:3; Romans 6:6 “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin.” They are slaves of corruption. When you did not know God, you
were enslaved to those that by nature are not gods. You were of the flesh, sold under sin. We were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. Our old self was crucified so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin.
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who believe by grace through faith. So we are back to, who believes? Who has eyes to see and
ears to hear? Those are given by God. The natural man is not going to agree with and believe
that which he hears as foolishness, while remaining inherently hostile in his mind toward God.
From: John 8:34; 2 Peter 2:19a; Galatians 4:8; Romans 7:14; Ephesians 2:3; Romans 6:6 “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin.” They are slaves of corruption. When you did not know God, you
were enslaved to those that by nature are not gods. You were of the flesh, sold under sin. We were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. Our old self was crucified so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin.
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Christ's sacrificial death is sufficient to pay the sin debt for all but efficacious only unto those
who believe by grace through faith. So we are back to, who believes? Who has eyes to see and
ears to hear? Those are given by God. The natural man is not going to agree with and believe
that which he hears as foolishness, while remaining inherently hostile in his mind toward God.
From: John 8:34; 2 Peter 2:19a; Galatians 4:8; Romans 7:14; Ephesians 2:3; Romans 6:6 “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin.” They are slaves of corruption. When you did not know God, you
were enslaved to those that by nature are not gods. You were of the flesh, sold under sin. We were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. Our old self was crucified so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin.
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who believe by grace through faith. So we are back to, who believes? Who has eyes to see and
ears to hear? Those are given by God. The natural man is not going to agree with and believe
that which he hears as foolishness, while remaining inherently hostile in his mind toward God.
From: John 8:34; 2 Peter 2:19a; Galatians 4:8; Romans 7:14; Ephesians 2:3; Romans 6:6 “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin.” They are slaves of corruption. When you did not know God, you
were enslaved to those that by nature are not gods. You were of the flesh, sold under sin. We were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. Our old self was crucified so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin.
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“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
I only quote that because when you folks are saying only some are chosen and able to hear and be saved you are also saying everyone who ends up in the lake of fire is because God didn’t allow them to be saved. By his Will he didn’t give them grace in order to be saved by faith
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Are you saying that everyone who hears believes? As if they then have no choice? I don't know where you get that from, just like I don't know where you get that everyone hears, because His sheep hear, whereas others do not hear with comprehension, since what they hear is foolishness to them. Plus, those given to Jesus WILL come. Do they have a choice in that, or is it that hearing and understanding the Truth they are like Peter and Paul, knowing themselves to be the worst of sinners with nowhere else to go? I have brought these points to your attention before but here we are again... LOL. Round and round we go! And good morning. I am off to work today...
John 10:27-28 My sheep hear My voice, I know them and they follow Me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them out of My hand.
John 10:27-28 My sheep hear My voice, I know them and they follow Me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them out of My hand.
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“For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.”
1 Timothy 2:3-6 KJV
“Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.”
Isaiah 45:22-23 KJV
“Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.”
Acts 4:12 KJV
“For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, And every tongue shall confess to God. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.”
Romans 14:11-12
“Are you saying that everyone who hears believes? “
No not in any way have I said that or suggested it. I’m saying everyone can hear it but some don’t like what they hear so they move on from it wanting the world instead ……but it’s not because God didn’t let them believe they condemn themselves
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.”
1 Timothy 2:3-6 KJV
“Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.”
Isaiah 45:22-23 KJV
“Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.”
Acts 4:12 KJV
“For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, And every tongue shall confess to God. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.”
Romans 14:11-12
Are you saying that everyone who hears believes? As if they then have no choice? I don't know where you get that from, just like I don't know where you get that everyone hears, because His sheep hear, whereas others do not hear with comprehension, since what they hear is foolishness to them. Plus, those given to Jesus WILL come. Do they have a choice in that, or is it that hearing and understanding the Truth they are like Peter and Paul, knowing themselves to be the worst of sinners with nowhere else to go? I have brought these points to your attention before but here we are again... LOL. Round and round we go! And good morning. I am off to work today...
John 10:27-28 My sheep hear My voice, I know them and they follow Me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them out of My hand.
John 10:27-28 My sheep hear My voice, I know them and they follow Me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them out of My hand.
No not in any way have I said that or suggested it. I’m saying everyone can hear it but some don’t like what they hear so they move on from it wanting the world instead ……but it’s not because God didn’t let them believe they condemn themselves
Yeah because It’s mostly just what scripture said and I quoted it
“For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.”
1 Timothy 4:10 KJV
i said all men have a savior …..
“For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.”
1 Timothy 2:3-4 KJV
I said God wants all men to be saved and come to understand the truth …
“and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.”
1 John 2:2
“For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.”
1 Timothy 2:5-6 KJV
I said Jesus died for everyone’s sins not just a select chosen group ….
and you said false information and by quoting clear scripture and agreeing with what it says clearly and plainly I’m wresting scripture to my own destruction hahaha
Do dee do dee doo do dee ……there is another dimension known …….as …..,,,,,the twilight zone
“For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.”
1 Timothy 4:10 KJV
i said all men have a savior …..
“For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.”
1 Timothy 2:3-4 KJV
I said God wants all men to be saved and come to understand the truth …
“and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.”
1 John 2:2
“For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.”
1 Timothy 2:5-6 KJV
I said Jesus died for everyone’s sins not just a select chosen group ….
and you said false information and by quoting clear scripture and agreeing with what it says clearly and plainly I’m wresting scripture to my own destruction hahaha
Do dee do dee doo do dee ……there is another dimension known …….as …..,,,,,the twilight zone
“But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.”
Hebrews 2:9 KJV
“Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation;
even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.”
Romans 5:18 KJV
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-
Hebrews 2:9 KJV
“Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation;
even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.”
Romans 5:18 KJV
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-
Hello again... I am now at work and waiting for the coffee to steep or whatever it does in that fancy French press thingie. Zeke, you have said that everyone hears but I contend that people must hear with comprehension, and there are many Scriptures that speak of God opening the eyes and ears and hearts and minds of people so they can comprehend The Truth of God's word. I should have included that in my previous post to you but I was in a bit of a hurry trying to get out the door so I could arrive to work on time being half an hour late already as it is LOL
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