Tasted Death for every Man !

[studentoftheword]

this is from Study Bible -----this is Hebrews 2:9 line by line with Greek words and meanings ----this is a lot to read here -on this sight --so you can read for yourselves --I just posted this

And I say ---don't listen to Foolish Babble ----it is bad for the Soul -----

What brightfame52 is posting is just foolishness ----it just shows how ignorant and misinformed some people are about the truth behind the Scriptures -----


Jesus died for everyone ---as this indicates ----

everyone.
παντὸς (pantos)
Adjective - Genitive Masculine Singular
Strong's 3956: All, the whole, every kind of. Including all the forms of declension; apparently a primary word; all, any, every, the whole

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Greek
But
δὲ (de)
Conjunction
Strong's 1161: A primary particle; but, and, etc.

we see
βλέπομεν (blepomen)
Verb - Present Indicative Active - 1st Person Plural
Strong's 991: (primarily physical), I look, see, perceive, discern. A primary verb; to look at.

Jesus,
Ἰησοῦν (Iēsoun)
Noun - Accusative Masculine Singular
Strong's 2424: Of Hebrew origin; Jesus, the name of our Lord and two other Israelites.

who
τὸν (ton)
Article - Accusative Masculine Singular
Strong's 3588: The, the definite article. Including the feminine he, and the neuter to in all their inflections; the definite article; the.

was made a little lower
ἠλαττωμένον (ēlattōmenon)
Verb - Perfect Participle Middle or Passive - Accusative Masculine Singular
Strong's 1642: To make less (inferior). From elasson; to lessen.

than
παρ’ (par’)
Preposition
Strong's 3844: Gen: from; dat: beside, in the presence of; acc: alongside of.

[the] angels,
ἀγγέλους (angelous)
Noun - Accusative Masculine Plural
Strong's 32: From aggello; a messenger; especially an 'angel'; by implication, a pastor.

now crowned
ἐστεφανωμένον (estephanōmenon)
Verb - Perfect Participle Middle or Passive - Accusative Masculine Singular
Strong's 4737: To crown, adorn, decorate. From stephanos; to adorn with an honorary wreath.

with glory
δόξῃ (doxē)
Noun - Dative Feminine Singular
Strong's 1391: From the base of dokeo; glory, in a wide application.

and
καὶ (kai)
Conjunction
Strong's 2532: And, even, also, namely.

honor
τιμῇ (timē)
Noun - Dative Feminine Singular
Strong's 5092: A price, honor. From tino; a value, i.e. Money paid, or valuables; by analogy, esteem, or the dignity itself.

because
διὰ (dia)
Preposition
Strong's 1223: A primary preposition denoting the channel of an act; through.

He suffered
πάθημα (pathēma)
Noun - Accusative Neuter Singular
Strong's 3804: From a presumed derivative of pathos; something undergone, i.e. Hardship or pain; subjectively, an emotion or influence.

death,
θανάτου (thanatou)
Noun - Genitive Masculine Singular
Strong's 2288: Death, physical or spiritual. From thnesko; death.

so that
ὅπως (hopōs)
Conjunction
Strong's 3704: From hos and pos; what(-ever) how, i.e. In the manner that (as adverb or conjunction of coincidence, intentional or actual).

by [the] grace
χάριτι (chariti)
Noun - Dative Feminine Singular
Strong's 5485: From chairo; graciousness, of manner or act.

of God
Θεοῦ (Theou)
Noun - Genitive Masculine Singular
Strong's 2316: A deity, especially the supreme Divinity; figuratively, a magistrate; by Hebraism, very.

He might taste
γεύσηται (geusētai)
Verb - Aorist Subjunctive Middle - 3rd Person Singular
Strong's 1089: (a) I taste, (b) I experience. A primary verb; to taste; by implication, to eat; figuratively, to experience.

death
θανάτου (thanatou)
Noun - Genitive Masculine Singular
Strong's 2288: Death, physical or spiritual. From thnesko; death.

for
ὑπὲρ (hyper)
Preposition
Strong's 5228: Gen: in behalf of; acc: above.

everyone.
παντὸς (pantos)
Adjective - Genitive Masculine Singular
Strong's 3956: All, the whole, every kind of. Including all the forms of declension; apparently a primary word; all, any, every, the whole


Literal Translations

Literal Standard Version
and we see Him who was made [a] little less than messengers—Jesus—because of the suffering of death, having been crowned with glory and honor, that by the grace of God He might taste of death for everyone.
Berean Literal Bible
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, because of the suffering of death, having been crowned with glory and with honor, so that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone.

 

[brightfame52]

“But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭2:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation;

even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭5:18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-

Those who Christ tasted death for are the ones who shall believe by Grace. Thats part of His bringing them to Glory !

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Why does it matter to you ?

Did you wake up this morning needing attention?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Those who Christ tasted death for are the ones who shall believe by Grace. Thats part of His bringing them to Glory !

Remember how you just said people wrest scripture ? The scripture says who it is Jesus died for many times over

“But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭2:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It doesn’t say he tasted death only for some chosen group that are saved by grace .

It says that by Gods grace Jesus died for every person.

“For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭2:3-6‬ ‭

this doesn’t say Jesus died for some people or that he only wants some to be saved. But if I already have concluded those things it makes me reject what it plainly says but it’s only because I don’t want to be wrong itnisnt because im right and scriptire is wrong …. Some of us can’t see that part

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Hello again... I am now at work and waiting for the coffee to steep or whatever it does in that fancy French press thingie. Zeke, you have said that everyone hears but I contend that people must hear with comprehension, and there are many Scriptures that speak of God opening the eyes and ears and hearts and minds of people so they can comprehend The Truth of God's word. I should have included that in my previous post to you but I was in a bit of a hurry trying to get out the door so I could arrive to work on time being half an hour late already as it is LOL

Yeah sis it’s the same thing we haven’t agreed in all along lol mmmm coffee though !

But how come you didn’t adress my point that: if the position is God only allows some people to hear and be saved , then what about the others who aren’t saved and don’t believe ? Is the reason because God didn’t make then able to hear ?

to simplify God chose to make you able to hear and be saved , but some other “unchosen “sinners he didn’t make them able to hear the gospel and be saved ?

 

[brightfame52]

Did you wake up this morning needing attention?

Why does it matter to you ?

 

[brightfame52]

Remember how you just said people wrest scripture ? The scripture says who it is Jesus died for many times over

“But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭2:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It doesn’t say he tasted death only for some chosen group that are saved by grace .

It says that by Gods grace Jesus died for every person.

“For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭2:3-6‬ ‭

this doesn’t say Jesus died for some people or that he only wants some to be saved. But if I already have concluded those things it makes me reject what it plainly says but it’s only because I don’t want to be wrong itnisnt because im right and scriptire is wrong …. Some of us can’t see that part

Christ tasted death for every man He saved, and took to Glory !His death saved them

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Christ tasted death for every man He saved, and took to Glory !His death saved them

Yes the difference is scripture doesn’t agree with what you are saying that’s all you limiting his death to a certain group he extends the offer to all people but some reject it and others forst reject it and then invent thier own path promising the same destination but not to that end

 

[brightfame52]

Yes the difference is scripture doesn’t agree with what you are saying that’s all you limiting his death to a certain group he extends the offer to all people but some reject it and others forst reject it and then invent thier own path promising the same destination but not to that end

Those He tasted death for, saved them unto Glory Heb 2:910

9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

You are denying His Death saved them He died for, thats against Christ.

 

[Magenta]

Yeah sis it’s the same thing we haven’t agreed in all along lol mmmm coffee though !

But how come you didn’t adress my point that: if the position is God only allows some people to hear and be saved , then what about the others who aren’t saved and don’t believe ? Is the reason because God didn’t make then able to hear ?

to simplify God chose to make you able to hear and be saved , but some other “unchosen “sinners he didn’t make them able to hear the gospel and be saved ?

Death and sin entered the world as a result of one man and that man was Adam, who we are all born in or after... And as such, as natural men, the gospel is foolishness and we are hostile in our minds toward God... those things are explicitly stated in Scripture. We cannot receive or know or understand the spiritual things of God. Something must change to turn us from natural men to spiritual men, because the spiritual man is capable of receiving and knowing and understanding the Spitual things of God. So we are made alive in Christ while we were yet dead in our trespasses and sins... And Scripture says we were chosen, so I do believe that I was and I believe you were also. If you are asking me on what basis I was chosen, I would have to say it was on the basis of God's mercy and grace, And also His never-ending love and His forgiveness through the cross of Christ... because I sure didn't do anything to earn it... in fact I acknowledge myself as the worst of sinners. And I have also acknowledged that when the truth was revealed to me in a way that I could finally accept, like Peter I acknowledge that there was nowhere else for me to go from there. Except surrender... Before I had run long and hard for many years in defiance and rebellion and unbelief. I did not open my own eyes, I did not open my own ears, I did not circumcise my own heart, and I did not raise myself to new life in Christ. The disciples no doubt believed that they chose to follow Jesus, but Jesus says that wasn't true... that it was Him who chose them. Do you not accept that you were chosen?

 

[Magenta]

But how come you didn’t adress my point that: if the position is God only allows some people to hear and be saved , then what about the others who aren’t saved and don’t believe ? Is the reason because God didn’t make then able to hear ?

to simplify God chose to make you able to hear and be saved , but some other “unchosen “sinners he didn’t make them able to hear the gospel and be saved ?

It seems that there are lots of points of mine that you don't address either... like all the things that are said of the natural man... I have posted reams of material on him but you have actually said you don't pay much attention to any of it... whereas I believe that it's a very important aspect and dividing line between what is possible and what is not possible ... Between types of man >>> the natural man and the other man, the spiritual man. Many here seem to ascribe to the natural man what is only possible for the spiritual man. I do not believe I made myself a spiritual person. I believe that was God's doing. And Scripture does say that God opens our eyes and ears and that Jesus came to do that specific thing = raise people to new life, Cause the blind to see and the def to hear... and Scripture also says that God closes people's eyes and ears... That it was given to some to know and or understand and not given to others.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Those He tasted death for, saved them unto Glory Heb 2:910

9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

You are denying His Death saved them He died for, thats against Christ.

“You are denying His Death saved them He died for, thats against Christ.”😂😂😂

Lol Not at all have I denied anything actually but nice pivot , though we aren’t saved by only his death there is along of other sentences in the Bible to consider as well for instance the resurrection

“For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; ( agree )

and that he was buried, ( agree )

and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:”( agree )
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:3-4‬ ‭

“Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭1:3‬ ‭KJV‬

jesus died for everyone for all of mankind’s sin to atone for it . That’s the reason we have to accept him , it’s the reason we have to believe the gospel ect

He didn’t magically just save certain folks and condemn others he came into a whole world of condemned sinners and gave us a way to have our sins remitted through belief in his name , as it is witnessed in the gospel

“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,

and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Anyone can hear this word but some won’t respond thier Will is to love the world not the lord. And they don’t want to be told things like

“I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭13:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭5:32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If it was only Gods decision who repented everyone would but the person has to yield to God by thier own choice

“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

He has called this “exclusive “group to repentance and faith and promised them salvation who believe him

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

why would God send the gospel specifically to everyone as a witness ?

Sometimes a group of people are being told something by an eye witness , that’s true but some of them will believe the witness others dont believe the witness.

could be for many different reasons could be based on the story being told , it could be unbelievable for someone who is logical and wants proof of things . or maybe it’s the appearance of the witness. Maybe we judge a person because he looks a little cooky or crazy .

maybe we anylyze and something in the story doesn’t make sense so we think it’s a lie ect there are many reasons we do or don’t believe things we hadn’t heard about before . A lot of times it’s based on the person we have become and experiences we had in life influences ect

if you put a child in a living Christian household and the kid is raised the right way with the right beliefs , and if you put a child in a Muslim household in the Middle East ……thier beliefs are going to be engrained. Ot ore disposed but learned and believed , in order to believe something it has to be heard about , or taught witnessed to people

then it can be accepted as truth or rejected as foolishness or “not worth my time “

but this doesn’t come back to God not saving the person or making them able to believe . It returned to the person rejecting his offer of life in Christ Jesus much more than just his death tbough I would say

 

[brightfame52]

@Pilgrimshope

“You are denying His Death saved them He died for, thats against Christ.”😂😂😂

Thats right friend.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Death and sin entered the world as a result of one man and that man was Adam, who we are all born in or after... And as such, as natural men, the gospel is foolishness and we are hostile in our minds toward God... those things are explicitly stated in Scripture. We cannot receive or know or understand the spiritual things of God. Something must change to turn us from natural men to spiritual men, because the spiritual man is capable of receiving and knowing and understanding the Spitual things of God. So we are made alive in Christ while we were yet dead in our trespasses and sins... And Scripture says we were chosen, so I do believe that I was and I believe you were also. If you are asking me on what basis I was chosen, I would have to say it was on the basis of God's mercy and grace, And also His never-ending love and His forgiveness through the cross of Christ... because I sure didn't do anything to earn it... in fact I acknowledge myself as the worst of sinners. And I have also acknowledged that when the truth was revealed to me in a way that I could finally accept, like Peter I acknowledge that there was nowhere else for me to go from there. Except surrender... Before I had run long and hard for many years in defiance and rebellion and unbelief. I did not open my own eyes, I did not open my own ears, I did not circumcise my own heart, and I did not raise myself to new life in Christ. The disciples no doubt believed that they chose to follow Jesus, but Jesus says that wasn't true... that it was Him who chose them. Do you not accept that you were chosen?

Well some of what your saying I agree with other parts there’s more to but we’ve already been in this circle a few times lol it’s not enjoyable

Do you not accept that you were chosen?
No sister I’m not an apostle he chose to spread the gospel ……but it’s that I believe all Mankind is chosen by Jesus for salvation and I’m one of them but we have to hear the gospel and choose to attend the wedding …..just being invited is only half of the equation ……

 

[Pilgrimshope]

@Pilgrimshope



Thats right friend.

Well….have a good one , you have enough people trying to show you where you have erred.

 

[Magenta]

Well some of what your saying I agree with other parts there’s more to but we’ve already been in this circle a few times lol it’s not enjoyable

Do you not accept that you were chosen?
No sister it’s that I believe all Mankind is chosen by Jesus and I’m one of them but we have to hear the gospel and choose to attend the wedding …..just being invited is only half of the equation ……

Scripture attests that those whom God gives to Jesus WILL come to Him .. there are no exceptions given. And either all are given or all are not. If all are given then all will come and that is universalism which I don't think either one of us believes.

 

[Magenta]

Philippians 3:3; Colossians 2:11; Romans 2:29b ~ For it is we who are the circumcision, we who worship by the Spirit of God, who glory in Christ Jesus, and who put no confidence in the flesh. You were also circumcised, in the putting off of your sinful nature, with the circumcision performed by Christ and not by human hands. Circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code.

 

[brightfame52]

Well….have a good one , you have enough people trying to show you where you have erred.

I rap with you later

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Scripture attests that those whom God gives to Jesus WILL come to Him .. there are no exceptions given. And either all are given or all or not.

Yes sister you are trying to make how you see this the only way to see it it’s hard to discuss this with you this particular subject

am I now supposed to say “ scriptures says all thkngs were given to Jesus ll flesh ? “

I do know see the value in trying to make part of this verse

“And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
‭‭John‬ ‭6:39 ‭KJV‬‬

“Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth;

they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life;

and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:28-29‬ ‭

being raised up at the end isnt a promise of salvation sis even the damned sre gone be raised up for judgement “ I saw the dead stand before God death and hell delivered up the dead in them and everyone was judged according to thier works “

the dead both good and have to be raised up for them to be judged based on thier deeds done in Their body

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Like you said all either means all or it doesn’t bit the point is after our body dies comes the judgement of our spirit

“And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭9:27‬ ‭KJV‬‬

everyone’s in the same boat sis he doesn’t give one person special biliary to save themself but the others he makes then unable that isn’t how God is . The lost are doing it to themselves he’s provided salvation but they don’t want it for whatever reason or maybe havent heard about it yet everyone will tho

“For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭4:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: by which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭3:18-20‬ ‭

My view sis is the gospel is done on a form man can hear so that they ll either accept it as truth or reject it for many various reasons

and not that im chosen by God to believe and my cousin who doesn’t believe was never capable . Still work on him today fifty years after because I believe that the gospel and words from God can open a heart that’s hard or maybe it takes a tradgedy to soften a heart I don’t believe Gods unable or unwilling to save anyone on the planet if they repent and believe the gospel and I believe it’s something we can do after we begin to hear it

bit sis it’s not i portent for me to convince you to agree I’m okay that we don’t on that one lol I’m at peace with it “ goooozvrabbahhh!”

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I rap with you later

It’s alright maybe a different subject sometime ! Peace tho to ya