To The Unbelievers

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1 Corinthians 15:17
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17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins.

Alright, those of the unbelieving world. The easiest way to disprove Christianity is by disproving the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus.

For the Christian everything hinges off of the resurrection because not only did Jesus foretell that it would occur but it ultimately proved beyond a doubt that He was God.

John 10:29-31
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29 My Father, who has given them to me,[a] is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand.

30 I and the Father are one.”

31 The Jews picked up stones again to stone him.

The authenticity of the Old Testament was confirmed by Jesus who taught from it and due to the abundance of manuscripts we know we have the same Greek/Hebrew/Aramaic translation despite a few misspelled words or scribal additions.

Jesus confirmed in His own words the legitimacy of creation, Adam and Eve, Cain and Abel, Job, Noah and the flood, The Jewish exodus, Moses and the Torah, Jonah and the giant sea creature, Daniel, King David, etc. All were confirmed and spoken of as being real people and true events.

For Christianity, it wouldn't matter if the Old Testament was 100% true and then the resurrection be false. Then our faith is futile and our only hope would be within the Jewish religion that is still looking for their Messiah to come.

I'll list these key points that must be addressed when examining the resurrection.

1. Miracles
2. Prophecy
3. Historical events
4. The historicity of a man named Jesus Christ who was associated with the Biblical accounts
5. The theories that surround an empty tomb (
6. Why was the tomb guarded and sealed by 30+ Roman soldiers?
7. Eyewitness accounts
8. Could all of the Apostles and disciples been hallucinating?
9. Why would almost all of the original followers die horrible deaths for no money, no fame, and no power?
10. Secular accounts
11. The monumental shift designated by BC to AD that created such an impact, Rome would be converted.
12. Under the pressure of being killed, all they had to do was deny Jesus and pay tribute to the Roman gods and the Christians would live. Why not deny Jesus?
13. Archaeologists and historians (many being secular as well) use the Bible in the Middle East to help identify places, objects, names, etc. Why, if the book is merely filled with fables?
14. The empty tomb was first recorded to have been discovered by women (in a male-centric culture why would the disciples make that up)?
15. Why preach in the same town where Jesus was crucified that He had been risen? It would have been very easy to fact-check.
16. According to early Jewish sources like the Toledoth Jesu, they could not find the body.
17. The radical transformation of Paul.
18. The radical courage of the disciples who recorded themselves fleeing in fear as Jesus was crucified. (typically something false would not include embarrassing unmasculine topics for that culture)
19. The tomb wasn't just any tomb or mass grave of bodies. The tomb was owned by a named
Arimathea, named Joseph, a rich Jewish man part of the Sanhedrin. So the tomb could have easily been located.
20. Early creeds testify that indeed the first Christians believed what they saw or heard.

More points could be addressed and many scholarly sources have written on the topic. But to discredit the resurrection, you are then challenged to find naturalistic explanations for this historical event.

As one who has already been down this road, I was left with the only plausible outcome. Jesus Christ the foundation of Christianity truly did rise from the dead and secured His place as the Messiah to the Jews and Savior to the Gentiles. Jesus boldly claimed to be the only way to salvation (John 16:6, Acts 4:12) making all other belief systems or worldviews false.

The resurrection proves all other religions and beliefs to be false. It provides only a black or white image, there is no grey. He didn't give us that option. So if Heaven and Hell exist, then the only logical response is to truly wrestle with this topic because not only is your soul impacted but so are those around you.
 
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Your post made me think of a question that I often ask myself. In fact, it is directly related to one of the questions that you asked here yourself. Before I ask my question to everyone else here, I want to sincerely say two things.

1. I truly do not want to lead your thread in a direction other than the direction which you desire it to go.
2. I truly do not want anybody to answer my question on this thread, but rather to simply ponder it privately before the Lord.

My question is related to what you said here.
9. Why would almost all of the original followers die horrible deaths for no money, no fame, and no power?
Of course, the answer to that question is that they all truly believed in Christ's resurrection from the dead and the hope that they all had of being similarly resurrected one day.

My question is this:

How many of us, the professing believers on this forum, truly believe in Christ's resurrection from the dead and our own hopes of being similarly resurrected one day? Do we believe to the point that we would potentially face death for the gospel of Christ? If not, then do we truly believe?

Personally, I have been in situations, for the gospel's sake, where my physical life was in jeopardy, and, by the grace of God, I did not shrink back.

However, and this is a strange but true however, there have also been a handful of times when, while in prayer before the Lord, I have sensed in my spirit that God was leading me to a deeper walk with him which might literally cost me my life, and I have sadly shrunk back from that deeper walk. In fact, and in total honesty, that is how I wound up on this forum just a couple of months ago. In other words, as I said to someone when I first came here, I feel a bit like Jonah who ran from the Lord's calling, and I have recently begun to press back closer to God in prayer...come what may.

I don't believe that only the original followers of Christ should have been willing to face death for Christ's and the gospel's sake, and I think that we should all seriously ponder how much we truly believe in Christ's resurrection from the dead.

I am sorry, in a sense, for my interruption here, but this truly is something that I think about often.
 
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I hear you, thank you, yes, it is deep to come to see in willing to be dead and if that be, to see it as Stephan did in front of Saul who became Paul later on the road to Damascus after Stephan's willing death, that perplexed him before that road to Damascus.
To see God, and Son the two as Won (One) Won for us the people to be able to not shrink back
To see Peter shrunk back and Was told by Jesus he would deny him and Peter did do that three times, (yet, swore he would not do that), then the crow crowed
Jesus even told Peter, he would get sifted by satan, and yet ye had prayed for Peter and when Peter saw and returned, he would strengthen the brethren. Peter did, even until his own death willingly, never claiming he deserved anything from what God would do through him to gain anything here on earth. for us all the people to see this seriousness in belief as well
I think this all is in line with the OP, who asked examine self, do we anyone reading this, in the resurrected Son of God Father for you making those two as won (One) for you too. The reconciliation the disciples preached to us all to believe Christ is risen from the dead (they witnessed this), it is in the risen Christ where new life begins in each person that believes this truth and does not quit will see it as true, beyond measure. (Col 1 :21-23)
Thanks for your seriousness. You will return, as I think you have already and will and are strengthening the brethren as you will not do it for any self gain at all.
Willing, is a hard one to swallow
Really Lord, willing to die? Willing to get harmed by others. Woe, comes in for me Isaiah 6:1-7 yes it is giving up this temporal life here on earth, at least for me, as I see God takes care of us even though it might not seem as so as we each go through travails also
best to stand in truth over anything else that gets stuff presently here on earth that is temporal
What I see physically is temporal, what I do not see normally as the air I breathe is eternal. God is Spiritual for us all to see and not fight physically anymore.I see Jesus went to that cross willingly without any flesh fight over it. That gives me the "Art of fighting without fighting"
this king God Father and Son as Won (One) for me to love all over the few I used to in my judging first birth attitude I had. Gone now by the down work of Father and Son, Son as risen where the new life of truth begins in each one as in Eph 1:1-13 tells of.
 

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Cognitive arguments lead to cognitive decisions. Cognitive decisions are vulnerable to cognitive arguments.

Try this:

To the unbelievers,

"You know there is something greater than yourself pulling on your insides, like an itch you can't scratch. It's quiet so it seems small but the effect it has on your conscience cannot be abated. That's the Holy Spirit, sent by the Lord Jesus Christ, to show you a new way of life. I actually know Him personally. If you would like to know Him more I can help you. Hit me up and I'll share what I know."

The above approach is more efficient because it recognizes 1) what the Holy Spirit has done and is doing and 2) that the person has a spirit able to receive information beyond his/her 5 senses.

Those who resist the Lord will resist the message. Those who are honest and want the truth will ask for help. In my experience I have met only a few who continue to resist the Lord after I speak to them that way.
 
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"You know there is something greater than yourself pulling on your insides, like an itch you can't scratch. It's quiet so it seems small but the effect it has on your conscience cannot be abated. That's the Holy Spirit, sent by the Lord Jesus Christ, to show you a new way of life. I actually know Him personally. If you would like to know Him more I can help you. Hit me up and I'll share what I know."
I do not doubt that the Holy Spirit strives with unbelievers, but that "itch" that you described might be more related to this.

Ecc 3:11
He has made everything beautiful in its time. Also He has put eternity in their hearts, except that no one can find out the work that God does from beginning to end. - NKJV

The bold-faced part is open to interpretation, but it might mean that God has placed inside of people a knowledge that eternity exists. If so, and if we can get people to think on that which is eternal, then they will possibly be open to the gospel message or, more specifically, to Christ's resurrection from the dead being the only means of conquering death and entering into eternal life.
 

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I do not doubt that the Holy Spirit strives with unbelievers, but that "itch" that you described might be more related to this.

Ecc 3:11
He has made everything beautiful in its time. Also He has put eternity in their hearts, except that no one can find out the work that God does from beginning to end. - NKJV

The bold-faced part is open to interpretation, but it might mean that God has placed inside of people a knowledge that eternity exists. If so, and if we can get people to think on that which is eternal, then they will possibly be open to the gospel message or, more specifically, to Christ's resurrection from the dead being the only means of conquering death and entering into eternal life.
The only thing eternal in man is the man's spirit. The spirit is the first thing that can respond to the call of the Holy Spirit. If man refuses to resist the Spirit then his spirit can follow the Lord.
 
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The only thing eternal in man is the man's spirit. The spirit is the first thing that can respond to the call of the Holy Spirit. If man refuses to resist the Spirit then his spirit can follow the Lord.
I would not say that man's spirit is eternal because it did not exist from eternity past. The goal is immortality in the kingdom to come, and that is only attainable through the new birth.
 

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I would not say that man's spirit is eternal because it did not exist from eternity past. The goal is immortality in the kingdom to come, and that is only attainable through the new birth.
It did. It comes from God and returns to God after man dies. This is the ruach God breathed into Adam.

All men are given this spirit. The spirit only informs the man when he is reconstituted in Christ. Otherwise, he remains spiritually dead.
 

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The only thing eternal in man is the man's spirit. The spirit is the first thing that can respond to the call of the Holy Spirit. If man refuses to resist the Spirit then his spirit can follow the Lord.
And this is the crux of the matter: can fallen natural man of his own volition and in his own strength do such?
 

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And this is the crux of the matter: can fallen natural man of his own volition and in his own strength do such?
Not really.

Man can only resist the Spirit of God. And, only man's spirit, given to him by God, can respond to God. This is why no one can brag about being born again: it was what God gave him that can respond to God.
 

Cameron143

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Not really.

Man can only resist the Spirit of God. And, only man's spirit, given to him by God, can respond to God. This is why no one can brag about being born again: it was what God gave him that can respond to God.
Also why He must be born from above.
 

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Ecc 3:11
He has made everything beautiful in its time. Also He has put eternity in their hearts, except that no one can find out the work that God does from beginning to end. - NKJV

The bold-faced part is open to interpretation,

Thanks for pointing out the open to interpretation part. Very true.
 
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Not really.

Man can only resist the Spirit of God. And, only man's spirit, given to him by God, can respond to God. This is why no one can brag about being born again: it was what God gave him that can respond to God.
You’re talking about the living spirit in all mankind which God gave us ?
 

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Not really.

Man can only resist the Spirit of God. And, only man's spirit, given to him by God, can respond to God. This is why no one can brag about being born again: it was what God gave him that can respond to God.
Seems an important point to where many of these discussions go. Is man aware that he is resisting the Spirit of God?
 

Aaron56

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Seems an important point to where many of these discussions go. Is man aware that he is resisting the Spirit of God?
Yes. The Holy Spirit is now in the world convicting the world of sin, righteousness, and judgement. He's very good at His job.
 

Aaron56

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Ok so one needs to “be indwelt “ by the Holy Spirit and then they can accept God ?
No. Their spirits can respond to God. It is the only thing of man that can. Once they accept the Son (who died for their sins) they are raised with new life from God.