Tasted Death for every Man !

[sawdust]

Your interpretation has His taste of death ineffectual in saving all for whom He died.

No it doesn't because Jesus died for the sin of the world, being saved is the promise God keeps for those who are believing.

1 Corinthians 15:3
For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,

 

[brightfame52]

No it doesn't because Jesus died for the sin of the world, being saved is the promise God keeps for those who are believing.

1 Corinthians 15:3
For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,

Yes it does

 

[Aaron56]

Nevertheless, my focus is on what His suffering unto His death accomplished, it brings many sons to glory, it saved them therefor.

Right, but there is more to it. His suffering also made Him the sanctifier of all who call on Him: He changes their lives. So, by His death we are saved from condemnation and by His sufferings as He lived, He can rightfully be the captain of our salvation from this world of corruption. Verses 14 through 18 expand on these two issues:

14 Inasmuch then as the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, 15 and release those who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. (This is salvation from condemnation)

16 For indeed He does not give aid to angels, but He does give aid to the seed of Abraham. 17 Therefore, in all things He had to be made like Hisbrethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people. 18 For in that He Himself has suffered, being tempted, He is able to aid those who are tempted.(This is salvation from the corruption of the world)

 

[sawdust]

Yes it does

So Ephesians 2:8 reads we are saved by the Cross?

The Cross is not what saves us directly, it is the means God uses to enable Him to eliminate the barrier (ie.sin) that keeps us separated and which prevents Him from compromising His integrity when He reaches out to save believers.

We are saved by grace through faith.

 

[brightfame52]

We know that the every man in Heb 2:9 that Christ by the Grace of God, tasted death for, wasn't every individual without exception, because His death was a manifestation of Gods Grace towards them, and so by His death they are Justified by His Grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus Rom 3:24

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Heb 2:9

9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

Those He died for are Justified by His Death/Blood Rom 5:9 !

9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood or Death, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

And we know everyman individually is not Justified ! 2

 

[brightfame52]

Right, but there is more to it. His suffering also made Him the sanctifier of all who call on Him: He changes their lives. So, by His death we are saved from condemnation and by His sufferings as He lived, He can rightfully be the captain of our salvation from this world of corruption. Verses 14 through 18 expand on these two issues:

14 Inasmuch then as the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, 15 and release those who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. (This is salvation from condemnation)

16 For indeed He does not give aid to angels, but He does give aid to the seed of Abraham. 17 Therefore, in all things He had to be made like Hisbrethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people. 18 For in that He Himself has suffered, being tempted, He is able to aid those who are tempted.(This is salvation from the corruption of the world)

No its not more to it, everything else serves to that purpose and result, bringing them[many Sons] to Glory because He tasted death for them.

 

[brightfame52]

So Ephesians 2:8 reads we are saved by the Cross?

The Cross is not what saves us directly, it is the means God uses to enable Him to eliminate the barrier (ie.sin) that keeps us separated and which prevents Him from compromising His integrity when He reaches out to save believers.

We are saved by grace through faith.

Your interpretation has His taste of death ineffectual in saving all for whom He died. Dont you believe, that some for whom He tasred death for shall yet die in their sins and go into the second death ? Yes or no

 

[Aaron56]

No its not more to it, everything else serves to that purpose and result, bringing them[many Sons] to Glory because He tasted death for them.

Sounds like you already know all the answers. Good luck.

 

[brightfame52]

@Aaron56

His suffering also made Him the sanctifier of all who call on Him:

His suffering unto death, His taste of death sanctified them before they called on His Name and is why they believe on Him Heb 10:10

10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Now how were they sanctified according to this scripture ?

 

[brightfame52]

Sounds like you already know all the answers. Good luck.

I know what Im talking about when I start a thread, I did my study for it

 

[Iconoclast]

“For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.

For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die. But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement. Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭5:6-8, 10-12, 18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

A proper study of this passage shows the "we" mentioned here are the justified elect who have peace with God...Rom 5:1, they are indwelt by the Spirit now. All men, are born in Adam, spiritually dead. All In the last Adam, are born again, born from above. It is not the same Adam, it is not the same all

 

[sawdust]

Your interpretation has His taste of death ineffectual in saving all for whom He died. Dont you believe, that some for whom He tasred death for shall yet die in their sins and go into the second death ? Yes or no

It doesn't say He tasted death so every man is saved. It says he tasted death for every man fullstop. This He did. It is finished. The barrier of sin for every man is removed. Therefore now there is no excuse for someone not to be saved. The problem is you read into the verse what is not there in order to justify your doctrine.

Hebrews 2:9
But we see him who for a little while was made lower than the angels, namely Jesus, crowned with glory and honor because of the suffering of death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.

What you are trying to make the Cross do, eliminates the need for anyone to repent and believe. He died for our sin, not our salvation. The Cross is the means of dealing with the problem (ie.sin). The means of salvation is grace through faith made possible through the Cross. You have to get to the other side of the Cross (ie. the resurrection) if you want salvation.

Romans 10:9
because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

You can believe Christ died till the cows come home but it will not save you. It's believing He rose from the dead that saves.

 

[posthuman]

In the original man isnt in the verse:

τὸν δὲ βραχύ τι παρ᾽ ἀγγέλους ἠλαττωμένον βλέπομεν Ἰησοῦν διὰ τὸ πάθημα τοῦ θανάτου δόξῃ καὶ τιμῇ ἐστεφανωμένον ὅπως χάριτι θεοῦ ὑπὲρ παντὸς γεύσηται θανάτου

because it is not just humankind who will be redeemed, but all of creation - see Romans 8:21

 

[posthuman]

Your interpretation has His taste of death ineffectual in saving all for whom He died.

is He ineffective when He says "all day long I have held out My hands to an obstinate people"?

He died for all, but not all received Him.

to those who do not believe, His proptiation is effective evidence for judgment - for He says, "this is the condemnation" that light came into the world, but the world loved darkness, and "whoever does not believe is condemned already"

elegant, and harmonious.
no need to try to make "all" mean "only some"

 

[brightfame52]

because it is not just humankind who will be redeemed, but all of creation - see Romans 8:21

Only the elect

 

[brightfame52]

is He ineffective when He says "all day long I have held out My hands to an obstinate people"?

He died for all, but not all received Him.

to those who do not believe, His proptiation is effective evidence for judgment - for He says, "this is the condemnation" that light came into the world, but the world loved darkness, and "whoever does not believe is condemned already"

elegant, and harmonious.
no need to try to make "all" mean "only some"

The all He tasted death for saved them, takes them to Glory, Now are all going to Glory ? No sir

 

[posthuman]

The all He tasted death for saved them, t̶a̶k̶e̶s̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶m̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶G̶l̶o̶r̶y̶ Now are all going to Glory ? No sir

nope.

that one believes

 

[posthuman]

Only the elect

that not all will be resurrected to life does not contradict that He died for all.

 

[John146]

The all He tasted death for saved them, takes them to Glory, Now are all going to Glory ? No sir

Context is the Hebrew people. He tasted death for all of them Indeed, he delivered many sons unto glory when he ascended. He set the captives free that were in Abraham’s bosom.

 

[posthuman]

You can believe Christ died till the cows come home but it will not save you. It's believing He rose from the dead that saves.

genau!

the gospel is not "Jesus died"

it is that He came, was born, died, rose, ascended and will return.