Bible Testing Evidence

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I am already convinced... I would not be a Christian if I were not :D
 
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Magenta said:
I am already convinced... I would not be a Christian if I were not :D
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Yes, but it helps to know why it is if or when you’re asked about it. A lot of people thinks the Bible is a work of fiction, but hopefully the material I provided will help others who are seeking see that it’s not, but also strengthen the faith of others who already believe.
 
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To All CC Members:

It's poor security to open links to unknown documents from unknown people.

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maxwel said:
To All CC Members:

It's poor security to open links to unknown documents from unknown people.

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Right. Let’s automatically assume I’m a scammer or my links are filled with viruses to put on your phone and computer 🙄🙄🙄
 
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What are some of the things you suggest to test in order to see results?

I've tested myself and have been convinced for decades but curious to know what you're thinking about specifically.
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It’s in the article of the link.
 
Eli1

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JS1789 said:
Right. Let’s automatically assume I’m a scammer or my links are filled with viruses to put on your phone and computer 🙄🙄🙄
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I'm sure you mean well because i saw you attach a .TXT file but for us 'techies', a google drive link is seen as a phishing attempt.
I apologize for saying this but these are my job instincts kicking in. :)
 
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This is the nature of the internet unfortunately so please don't be offended.
 
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Perhaps post sections of what you have written here in a new topic @JS1789 .

That way we can all read it here.
There's a 15,000 character limit so you might have to break it up in 2 or 3 posts.
 
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Eli1 said:
I'm sure you mean well because i saw you attach a .TXT file but for us 'techies', a google drive link is seen as a phishing attempt.
I apologize for saying this but these are my job instincts kicking in. :)
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Eli1 said:
This is the nature of the internet unfortunately so please don't be offended.
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Unfortunately. I hope you have a great rest of your weekend.
 
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After we are born again, the Holy Spirit witnesses with our spirit that the Bible is the Word of God. It is also the work of the Holy Spirit to convict the world of sin. He does this when the gospel is preached.
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So we don’t know or believe that the Bible is God’s word until after we are born again? If we do not, then why did we become born again without believing the Bible is His word? One becomes a Christian when they believe the Bible is God’s word, as that is how faith comes (Rom. 10:17). By hearing God’s word. The Spirit reproves/convicts us of sin (Jn 16:8).

What evidence do you have that the Bible is God’s word other than saying the Spirit witnessing to your spirit that it is? That answer isn’t a good answer to unbelievers, as anyone can say that about other religions. A Muslim could say Allah or Muhammad witnesses to their spirit that the Quran is the word of God, even though it’s not.
 
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So we don’t know or believe that the Bible is God’s word until after we are born again? If we do not, then why did we become born again without believing the Bible is His word? One becomes a Christian when they believe the Bible is God’s word, as that is how faith comes (Rom. 10:17). By hearing God’s word. The Spirit reproves/convicts us of sin (Jn 16:8).

What evidence do you have that the Bible is God’s word other than saying the Spirit witnessing to your spirit that it is? That answer isn’t a good answer to unbelievers, as anyone can say that about other religions. A Muslim could say Allah or Muhammad witnesses to their spirit that the Quran is the word of God, even though it’s not.
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Let me start again and correct myself. One becomes a Christian when they believe and obey the gospel of Christ (Mk. 16:15-16; Acts 2:38; etc etc).
 
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JS1789 said:
So we don’t know or believe that the Bible is God’s word until after we are born again? If we do not, then why did we become born again without believing the Bible is His word? One becomes a Christian when they believe the Bible is God’s word, as that is how faith comes (Rom. 10:17). By hearing God’s word. The Spirit reproves/convicts us of sin (Jn 16:8).

What evidence do you have that the Bible is God’s word other than saying the Spirit witnessing to your spirit that it is? That answer isn’t a good answer to unbelievers, as anyone can say that about other religions. A Muslim could say Allah or Muhammad witnesses to their spirit that the Quran is the word of God, even though it’s not.
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People over complicate what it means to be saved. The thief on the cross only said ".Lord, remember me when you come into your kingdom” and Jesus replied “Today you will be with me in paradise" John 3:15. We have been saved and as a result you believe the bible is God's words. Also while you read and listen to it you will realize nothing gives you as much peace. Yes he reprove like a good father but never more then you are able.

You will only convince some with evidence. You can state how it is show them how archaeological science and psychological evidence all align with what the bible says but They can take it or leave it many of them don't even want to know the truth. But a greater number will be won through preaching the Cross Corinthians 1:17-18 Matthew 25:40
 
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daisyseesthesun said:
People over complicate what it means to be saved. The thief on the cross only said ".Lord, remember me when you come into your kingdom” and Jesus replied “Today you will be with me in paradise" John 3:15. We have been saved and as a result you believe the bible is God's words. Also while you read and listen to it you will realize nothing gives you as much peace. Yes he reprove like a good father but never more then you are able.

You will only convince some with evidence. You can state how it is show them how archaeological science and psychological evidence all align with what the bible says but They can take it or leave it many of them don't even want to know the truth. But a greater number will be won through preaching the Cross Corinthians 1:17-18 Matthew 25:40
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The thief's an example of Jesus’s mercy and grace..saving someone who didn't deserve it.

Those who obey Jesus power/ authority under His covenant which we are now under today, (which is a better covenant established on better promises, Heb. 8:6) also don't deserve to be saved when we accept His terms and conditions. Believe (Jn 3:16), repent and be baptized for the remission of sins (Rom. 1:16; Acts 2:38).

As the apostles fulfilled the great commission (Mk. 16:15-16; Mt. 28:18-20; Lk. 24:46-47) all of the conversions in Acts is how we look to Christ and His authority for salvation by grace under the NT, as that is the covenant that we are under and are amenable to by Jesus's authority/ power (Heb. 9:16-18; Mt. 28:18-19).

For the honest seeker of truth, God’s word and the creation has all the evidence they need to be convinced (Rom. 10:17; Rom. 1:20ff; Ps. 19:1-2ff).

I’m going to bow out of this convo and from responding, as I’d be on here all day and night disagreeing or engaging in doctrinal discussions to which people don’t agree with, and I don’t want to waste my time with that.

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JS1789 said:
So we don’t know or believe that the Bible is God’s word until after we are born again? If we do not, then why did we become born again without believing the Bible is His word? One becomes a Christian when they believe the Bible is God’s word, as that is how faith comes (Rom. 10:17). By hearing God’s word. The Spirit reproves/convicts us of sin (Jn 16:8).

What evidence do you have that the Bible is God’s word other than saying the Spirit witnessing to your spirit that it is? That answer isn’t a good answer to unbelievers, as anyone can say that about other religions. A Muslim could say Allah or Muhammad witnesses to their spirit that the Quran is the word of God, even though it’s not.
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Is the Bible God's Word? Answering this question involves understanding how truth is acquired (epistemology). Some knowledge is gleaned directly from personal experiences and is available to all who seek to know the truth with an open mind (like Socrates or Buddha) by means of reflecting or meditating on experiences logically. The apostle Paul indicated the world reveals God’s “invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature” (RM 1:20) and that conscience indicates “the requirements of the law” (RM 2:15).

A second possible way of obtaining knowledge is by learning from the insights or inspiration of others. Divinely inspired knowledge was claimed by Jesus (in JN 14:9-11), Paul (in GL 1:11-12 & TIT 1:1-3). Insights could be a combination of reflection and inspiration, perhaps taught by God’s indwelling Spirit, who Jesus said would “guide you into all truth” (JN 16:13).

The problem for truthseekers is evaluating the various teachers or claimants to knowledge, especially when their messages are contradictory. In my opinion humanism provides no hope for ultimate “oughtness”, because there is no logical way to avoid moral relativism without a superhuman Judge. Karmaism offers a rationale for reincarnation, but it is incredible. Naturalism does not even provide a rationale for a universal moral imperative (UMI), but rather it implies that what is, is right. However, I do find reasons to believe NT theism is true.

Having conducted a comparison of theistic religions, I think any open-minded truthseeker who compares the NT teachings of Jesus and Paul with the founding scriptures of other religions will reach the same conclusion as I have: The NT is the most credible canon or collection of writings purporting to be a communique from God. The NT hope for heaven is based on evidence in support of Jesus’ claim to be Messiah/Christ, which includes: the prophecy or foreshadowing of His life (in various OT scriptures, including IS 53 and PS 22, and by the sacrificial system), the purpose of His death (as explained in the NT, such as HB 7:18-10:18), and the probability or credibility of His resurrection (in history as recorded by the last chapters of the Gospels and RM 1:3-4).

Christianity qualified OT theism, which emphasized God’s love for some people (descendants of Abraham), with a NT UMI to love everyone by reflecting His love, beginning with God and continuing with one-self and one’s neighbors (whether Jew or Gentile) and even including one’s enemies (per MT 22:37-39 & 5:44). The best reason to hope in God is Christ (OT + NT = GW).
 
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JS1789 said:
Right. Let’s automatically assume I’m a scammer or my links are filled with viruses to put on your phone and computer 🙄🙄🙄
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dont worry i opened it and will read it.
 
homwardbound

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JS1789 said:
https://docs.google.com/file/d/1E8I...YKfN-am/edit?usp=docslist_api&filetype=msword

In this article, we test the Bible to see if it’s really from God. Blessings.
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Yes, I am convinced the Bible is what it is. I am not convinced in others translating it for any self gain as is used a lot today in this world to do and get from people leaders and many under them as well, fleece people, even outside of Church religion as well. So I always take whatever I hear about scriptures, take them all to Daddy and ask, then wait in trust, and do not fight or argue over stuff. God is Love, true Love and this Love goes on forever, summed up
1 Cor 13:1-3 flesh doing works without God leading them. We are in the image of God, but not God the most high, at least me (Psalm 82)
1 Cor 13:4-7 Is God's amazing Love in reconciliation to us all to respond to in Thanksgiving or do one's own thing (2 Cor 5:17-20)
1 Cor 13:8-12 is Gifts to the flesh people to use righteously or not and get awarded, not rewarded from God. yet people yes, yet think they do or that be all they really care about is self and those they love, and when trouble comes they run, that is not my Father, Daddy does not run, ever. Daddy knows best for me at least (Jeremiah 29:11)and all others as well as I believe God loves us all, otherwise that cross of Son would not have ever happened, and he would not be risen and we would not be given the love of verses 4-7 imputed to all that believe God in risen Son without any ulterior motive for any self gain ever, at least me. Just be given this new life offered free of charge forever, amazing
Now see verse 13
Love (God) goes on forever, forever, forever. Who would not want to be given this gift? in Thanksgiving and praise, humbly for me at least
For it is God's gift John 3:16 is a fact, for us to believe, receive and see. Then rest, not as this world tries to rest. As God rests from day seven seeing all as good, as we do not see that do we? Not normally anyways.
re-read Hebrews 4 please and rest in peace this done work of Son. given you, knowing God loves you and. God will get you through it all secured. As religion only focuses on sin mostly, which does not free anyone, you not in because you sinned again. Yeah true, not with them, kicked out them thinking we did God a favor, Thank you love you all no matter what.
God has accepted us in the beloved Son Jesus, has God not done that once for us all? (Hebrews 10) God has forgiven us in the beloved Son Jesus (John 19:30)
God has sealed us to see this truth in us once anyone believes this truth and does not quit.
It is true to go through this life here like a Job, and not deny God, all the way through the troubles we all get or have gotten. will you? I have and am and will not stop belief to God my Father, Jesus's Father do we not see the two are two yet One. Read all the epistles and see this truth in there first part of each Epistle, both are mentioned
Bottom line God does just love us all y'all
Time to respond and stop being creators you think

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Gideon300 said:
After we are born again, the Holy Spirit witnesses with our spirit that the Bible is the Word of God. It is also the work of the Holy Spirit to convict the world of sin. He does this when the gospel is preached.
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For me, once convicted, one, anyone (me) began new in seeing it new, is God Father that took sin away in me and all that turn to believe also. Taking away one sin at a time, since God is not the author of any confusion as evil assuredly is. When work on seeing how to leave sin behind, and want no sin anymore. Evil came in and got me at that time to look at all the sin I was doing at once, then confusion entered, anger and depression seeing I need God to lead not me anymore. Amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! to that when God showed me, take one item at a time, and see to get past that as I will show you how, then we will go to he next one and learn that as well. Just one at a time, there is no anger, confusion or worry left to beset you there As, I see that now after a lifetime of mistakes, many made, now see differently and am glad all those past mistakes are not left behind to not haunt me anymore God in Son took it all away for us all on that cross, we are reconciled in the death, raised new in the risen Life given us to stand in free of charge and thankfulness to me at least.
I have watched from God on God's love and mercy continue. Being in me and working through me. I said to God how can you continue to love me, do you not notice those things I do, have done and even might do again as I have? Me now not wanting to, yet continue to do? (Romans 7) Then God, I heard from within me, God said I got my Son to take away the sin of the world in my view to you And all others too (John 1:29) that is finished (John 19:30). Will you now trust me to train you new, and see to love all over the few you have, especially those that have loved you, not so much those that have not loved you?
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! teach me new Dad, thank you I trust you to that, Thank you Thank you, Thank you
Not easy, yet, now seeing it from Daddy's view thanks to Son's done work first. (Romans 12:2)
 
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