‘Exhaustive Sobriety’ vs Guarded ‘Excessive’ Wine

[PAC-fit]

Bottom line understanding, drunkards need not promote. Purpose, is the original medicinal comment of: “a little wine for your stomachs sake” to be also permitted or shunned in the common Christian experience? True, I have not come across a study aside from my own experience of quite a varied swath of evangelicals who are opposed in no uncertain terms, to even touching a drop of any alcohol whatsoever. Yet, this isn’t to say most of us don’t know why, as rampant alcoholism goes back to the beginning.

So, what is the thing to correct here but one of the two diverse teachings; exhaustive, or not? Is one of these the way which leads to godliness, or an imagined hype fomenting an un-warranted fear? Two of those I consider a guard against the un-warranted are, Colossians 2:20-22 and John 2:10, ,

Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, Touch not; taste not; handle not; Which all are to perish with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men?

“Everyone brings out the choice wine first and then the cheaper wine after the guests have had too much to drink; but you have saved the best till now.”

Likely, several such like threads. Opinions, insights, texts welcome.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Bottom line understanding, drunkards need not promote. Purpose, is the original medicinal comment of: “a little wine for your stomachs sake” to be also permitted or shunned in the common Christian experience?

IMO Paul told Timothy to use that to calm his nerves, ie stomach tied in knots.

 

[homwardbound]

Bottom line understanding, drunkards need not promote. Purpose, is the original medicinal comment of: “a little wine for your stomachs sake” to be also permitted or shunned in the common Christian experience? True, I have not come across a study aside from my own experience of quite a varied swath of evangelicals who are opposed in no uncertain terms, to even touching a drop of any alcohol whatsoever. Yet, this isn’t to say most of us don’t know why, as rampant alcoholism goes back to the beginning.

So, what is the thing to correct here but one of the two diverse teachings; exhaustive, or not? Is one of these the way which leads to godliness, or an imagined hype fomenting an un-warranted fear? Two of those I consider a guard against the un-warranted are, Colossians 2:20-22 and John 2:10, ,

Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, Touch not; taste not; handle not; Which all are to perish with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men?

“Everyone brings out the choice wine first and then the cheaper wine after the guests have had too much to drink; but you have saved the best till now.”

Likely, several such like threads. Opinions, insights, texts welcome.

Me, I am drunk on the new wine, having the new wine skin given to handle it
been dry of this world's beer, alcohol for over 40 years now. Now that is nothing to boast about, since I am no better than anyone else
I just agree with God on drinking the new wine over the old. that has freed me from troubles while in troubles. Yes I said that, I see contentment in whatever goes on right now, in perils or not, How?
Trust to God in risen son to eat new food too, drink new water, Living water, the Holy Spirit oil God given for us all to believe, receive and see new, giving up the self righteous attitudes of flesh nature, I know I had and think all have or have had also
I was an Alcoholic for 14 years from age 14 to 28. One day, God revealed to me why I was that way. I saw it as truth and left Alcohol behind me, instantly

The problem was, I had not accepted my youngest sister as dead, she died at age 18, I did not want to accept it or believe it was true, even though I saw here as dead in the casket at age 14
I ran out of the funeral and hid and began drinking too much, became a drunk, a happy go lucky drunk, not facing Sue died not wanting to.
Then when God from within me revealed to me why I was an alcoholic. I saw, heard and quit, been not an alcoholic ever since.
I accepted my sister, Sue as dead, been dry ever since, I am now 68 years of age. I stand in trust to God no matter what or where if my sister was or is saved or not
To me no matter what God is good all the time as good is God all the time

 

[Aaron56]

Bottom line understanding, drunkards need not promote. Purpose, is the original medicinal comment of: “a little wine for your stomachs sake” to be also permitted or shunned in the common Christian experience? True, I have not come across a study aside from my own experience of quite a varied swath of evangelicals who are opposed in no uncertain terms, to even touching a drop of any alcohol whatsoever. Yet, this isn’t to say most of us don’t know why, as rampant alcoholism goes back to the beginning.

So, what is the thing to correct here but one of the two diverse teachings; exhaustive, or not? Is one of these the way which leads to godliness, or an imagined hype fomenting an un-warranted fear? Two of those I consider a guard against the un-warranted are, Colossians 2:20-22 and John 2:10, ,

Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, Touch not; taste not; handle not; Which all are to perish with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men?

“Everyone brings out the choice wine first and then the cheaper wine after the guests have had too much to drink; but you have saved the best till now.”

Likely, several such like threads. Opinions, insights, texts welcome.

The Alcoholics Anonymous teaching to "always consider yourself an addict" is not Biblical. I know people who have been delivered from addiction from all kinds of things. Yes, even addiction from alcohol.

 

[PAC-fit]

Me, I am drunk on the new wine, having the new wine skin given to handle it
been dry of this world's beer, alcohol for over 40 years now. Now that is nothing to boast about, since I am no better than anyone else
I just agree with God on drinking the new wine over the old. that has freed me from troubles while in troubles. Yes I said that, I see contentment in whatever goes on right now, in perils or not, How?
Trust to God in risen son to eat new food too, drink new water, Living water, the Holy Spirit oil God given for us all to believe, receive and see new, giving up the self righteous attitudes of flesh nature, I know I had and think all have or have had also
I was an Alcoholic for 14 years from age 14 to 28. One day, God revealed to me why I was that way. I saw it as truth and left Alcohol behind me, instantly

The problem was, I had not accepted my youngest sister as dead, she died at age 18, I did not want to accept it or believe it was true, even though I saw here as dead in the casket at age 14
I ran out of the funeral and hid and began drinking too much, became a drunk, a happy go lucky drunk, not facing Sue died not wanting to.
Then when God from within me revealed to me why I was an alcoholic. I saw, heard and quit, been not an alcoholic ever since.
I accepted my sister, Sue as dead, been dry ever since, I am now 68 years of age. I stand in trust to God no matter what or where if my sister was or is saved or not
To me no matter what God is good all the time as good is God all the time

What a fresh and blessed outlook. Contentment is at the top of that list, spiritual and physical.

 

[Karlon]

why do people have such a difficult time understanding the drinking of alcohol? no where in the Bible does it say NOT to drink alcohol. it's common sense drinking too much is dangerous. when you feel the 1st sign of light headedness, stop. what's the big deal on something so simple? so many people in this world have zero willpower. NOT A BRAG but i used to drink 30 to 40 alcoholic drinks in the span of 3 to 4 hours & there was NO EFFECT whatsoever. most of my brothers & friends were able to do the same thing. i would also quit drinking for years then have a few here & there. it's no big deal to me, can take it or leave it.

 

[homwardbound]

why do people have such a difficult time understanding the drinking of alcohol? no where in the Bible does it say NOT to drink alcohol. it's common sense drinking too much is dangerous. when you feel the 1st sign of light headedness, stop. what's the big deal on something so simple? so many people in this world have zero willpower. NOT A BRAG but i used to drink 30 to 40 alcoholic drinks in the span of 3 to 4 hours & there was NO EFFECT whatsoever. most of my brothers & friends were able to do the same thing. i would also quit drinking for years then have a few here & there. it's no big deal to me, can take it or leave it.

As it states to not do anything in excess, thanks agreed all things permissible, so you, I and others get to find out whether or not it is beneficial. Looking deeper than the high, one gets and does ignorant stuff. Like having sex with others wives and are friends with the husband. Not beneficial, to put self in that area and use hey I was drunk.
at least for me, thanks
we the people have become accusers and excuses not good for my soul, thanks

 

[Karlon]

As it states to not do anything in excess, thanks agreed all things permissible, so you, I and others get to find out whether or not it is beneficial. Looking deeper than the high, one gets and does ignorant stuff. Like having sex with others wives and are friends with the husband. Not beneficial, to put self in that area and use hey I was drunk.
at least for me, thanks
we the people have become accusers and excuses not good for my soul, thanks

i always was in complete honorible possession of all my faculties. blessings to you.

 

[homwardbound]

i always was in complete honorible possession of all my faculties. blessings to you.

And back to you. I wasn’t, I am elated for you. That is another reason for me to not do drinking, and what works for me does not mean it works for all. Just not for me, thank you

 

[Gideon300]

Bottom line understanding, drunkards need not promote. Purpose, is the original medicinal comment of: “a little wine for your stomachs sake” to be also permitted or shunned in the common Christian experience? True, I have not come across a study aside from my own experience of quite a varied swath of evangelicals who are opposed in no uncertain terms, to even touching a drop of any alcohol whatsoever. Yet, this isn’t to say most of us don’t know why, as rampant alcoholism goes back to the beginning.

So, what is the thing to correct here but one of the two diverse teachings; exhaustive, or not? Is one of these the way which leads to godliness, or an imagined hype fomenting an un-warranted fear? Two of those I consider a guard against the un-warranted are, Colossians 2:20-22 and John 2:10, ,

Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, Touch not; taste not; handle not; Which all are to perish with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men?

“Everyone brings out the choice wine first and then the cheaper wine after the guests have had too much to drink; but you have saved the best till now.”

Likely, several such like threads. Opinions, insights, texts welcome.

The instruction is not to get drunk. Elders are not to be given to excessive drinking. An angel told Samson's mother not to drink any alcohol at all. In light of the connection between birth defects and alcohol consumption during pregnancy, this seems to be wisdom.

My first few years as a believer were in a Baptist church. They were dead set against alcohol. As a former alcohol abuser, I can understand that. But it's wrong. Real freedom is the ability to stop drinking before you get inebriated. Before I was born again, I did not have that freedom. After the hold of alcohol was broken, I could drink or not without a problem. Nowadays, I don't imbibe. I've also stopped drinking coffee. It's a personal choice. Choose wisely.

 

[PAC-fit]

why do people have such a difficult time understanding the drinking of alcohol? no where in the Bible does it say NOT to drink alcohol. it's common sense drinking too much is dangerous. when you feel the 1st sign of light headedness, stop.

That, I would imagine is the predominate approach. Back in my chosen sport days, where everything depended on accuracy and stable vision (AKA Hand/Eye Coordination) were an absolute nessecity, playing in a dry state yielded the same less than satisfactory results. Not untill one day found a small window of calm that alcohol restored, I thought. Is that now a state of drunkenness, or the positive side of our liberty?

 

[Karlon]

there's no doubt whatsoever that alcohol can enhance a performance, especially when someone is young. & certain alcohols have different effects in the mind change. for instance, for me, i play better chess when i had about 3 or 4 drinks. so if i was in a chess tournament, i would drink a few before the match. everyone knows when they begin to feel "tipsy". that's when you should stop. doctors say an alcoholic drink once a day is good for the heart. no, not drunkenness unless you gelt tipsy.

 

[Tall_Timbers]

A little booze is good, a lot is not.

 

[PAC-fit]

, for me, i play better chess when i had about 3 or 4 drinks. so if i was in a chess tournament,

Are you a GM?

 

[PAC-fit]

there's no doubt whatsoever that alcohol can enhance a performance, especially when someone is young. & certain alcohols have different effects in the mind change. for instance, for me, i play better chess when i had about 3 or 4 drinks. so if i was in a chess tournament, i would drink a few before the match. everyone knows when they begin to feel "tipsy". that's when you should stop. doctors say an alcoholic drink once a day is good for the heart. no, not drunkenness unless you gelt tipsy.

Curious definition we are forced to put on the difference between one's outcome of either heaven or hell?

 

[Karlon]

Are you a GM?

absolutely not. not close. i'm rated around 1750, which is not good anymore because of a guy named magnus carlsen who revived the chess world around 15 years ago.

 

[Aaron56]

There was a time that I worked very closely with many people who had trouble with alcohol either recently or in the past. During that time the Lord forbade me to drink. So I didn't drink.

Later, after several years, I asked the Lord if it was okay to have a drink again. He said it was. It is clear many people with alcohol problems should seek the Lord in such matters. For a season it may be the Lord's will that they do not drink.

 

[lrs68]

I think having a couple beers to get the edge off, put an end to a long hard day, to help me relax is a crutch. It's an excuse to drink. And then using the Bible makes that crutch into a trap of Satan.

I am not saying it's wrong. I am saying when we make excuses to do it then it's sinful.

 

[Burn1986]

Bottom line understanding, drunkards need not promote. Purpose, is the original medicinal comment of: “a little wine for your stomachs sake” to be also permitted or shunned in the common Christian experience? True, I have not come across a study aside from my own experience of quite a varied swath of evangelicals who are opposed in no uncertain terms, to even touching a drop of any alcohol whatsoever. Yet, this isn’t to say most of us don’t know why, as rampant alcoholism goes back to the beginning.

So, what is the thing to correct here but one of the two diverse teachings; exhaustive, or not? Is one of these the way which leads to godliness, or an imagined hype fomenting an un-warranted fear? Two of those I consider a guard against the un-warranted are, Colossians 2:20-22 and John 2:10, ,

Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, Touch not; taste not; handle not; Which all are to perish with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men?

“Everyone brings out the choice wine first and then the cheaper wine after the guests have had too much to drink; but you have saved the best till now.”

Likely, several such like threads. Opinions, insights, texts welcome.

Can you explain this a little better without all the big words?

 

[PAC-fit]

Can you explain this a little better without all the big words?

Oh, you mean in the title. Sure. It's in the content of the post itself

Purpose, is the original medicinal comment of: “a little wine for your stomachs sake” to be also permitted or shunned in the common Christian experience?

As for the title choice of wording, sorry about that. Maybe thorough could have been used in place of ''exhaustive'', although thorough doesn't carry quite the totality as does exhaustive. Others in mind?