Are giants the offspring of angels and humans?

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Your on the right track with the genealogies. Sons of God could also be translated as sons of the gods as the line of Cain were industrious and built cities and became men of renowned...possibly seeing themselves as sons of great men and so sons of the gods.
This explanation, for me, fits better the flow of scripture.
That's another possibility and it does make Genesis 6:1-5 flow better. The same word האלהים is used to describe all the gods that aren't YHWH

Now I know that the LORD is greater than all the gods (האלהים): for in the thing wherein they dealt proudly he was above them. Exodus 18:11
 

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A few got into the Ark and lived.
The many gave excuses and had all sorts of justifications.

In the end.
It was their end.

History repeats itself.
 

Genez

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If Adam refused to keep naming the animals, and called it quits?
God would not have given him Eve.
Adam would have never known what his sexual apparatus was designed for.

Likewise, in the prehistoric world, when angels were given dominion over the prehistoric animal kingdom and the world?
If there was no Satanic rebellion? And the angels fulfilled the work God had given them to do?
Then those faithful angels would have been given (like Adam was given) their female helpmates.
For the angels (like Adam was created alone) were all male.

That is why angels were without a helpmate, yet able to be sexually viable when the beautiful human woman appeared on the scene!
That is why some of them left their ranks and took and seized passionately the women they chose.... and produced the Nephilim.

That sounds strange to those with fragile faith.
Those who know better, and have doctrine, see the logic and possibility for it being the answer.
For this understanding has all the pieces fitting.

Truth deniers must organize and refute what I just said.
They must try.
And, be left off the Ark God provided to save our generation from insanity we must face every day.

For Genesis 6 reveals the key to the origin of drag queens and homosexuality.
For the fallen angels wanted to replicate the amazing actions they witnessed to when they saw
human men and women performing deep and satisfying sexual relations before their eyes..

It also explains why in Romans 1 reveals that God will hand deniers of truth over to worship the invisible evil that inspired them against God. These men then transform into the image of the gods they prefer, and became flaming, unrestrained homosexuals.

Romans 1:19-27


Since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.
For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—
have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking
became futile, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools
and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds
and animals and reptiles.
Therefore, God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies
with one another. They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than
the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations
for unnatural ones. In the same way, the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed
with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due
penalty for their error. Romans 1:19-27

Romans 1:19-27 reveals the background for the power that controls the minds of degenerate men and women today.
For angels were created male, and able to reproduce when activated. That is why we find certain angels who rebelled
were able to be sexual in Genesis 6. For their original design was to include females!

But - Satan and his mob ruined their chances for blessings for angels from God. God, whom they had rejected!
Since Satan and his angels refused to repent of their rejection of God?
God called off what would have been the next phase for blessing angels.
No female angels were to be given them.

Adam, in contrast, finished the work assigned him.
When finished is when God placed Adam into a deep sleep...and removed a rib.

The rest is our history.
 
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If Adam refused to keep naming the animals, and called it quits?
God would not have given him Eve.
Adam would have never known what his sexual apparatus was designed for.

Likewise, in the prehistoric world, when angels were given dominion over the prehistoric animal kingdom and the world?
If there was no Satanic rebellion? And the angels fulfilled the work God had given them to do?
Then those faithful angels would have been given (like Adam was given) their female helpmates.
For the angels (like Adam was created alone) were all male.

That is why angels were without a helpmate, yet able to be sexually viable when the beautiful human woman appeared on the scene!
That is why some of them left their ranks and took and seized passionately the women they chose.... and produced the Nephilim.

That sounds strange to those with fragile faith.
Those who know better, and have doctrine, see the logic and possibility for it being the answer.
For this understanding has all the pieces fitting.

Truth deniers must organize and refute what I just said.
They must try.
And, be left off the Ark God provided to save our generation from insanity we must face every day.

For Genesis 6 reveals the key to the origin of drag queens and homosexuality.
For the fallen angels wanted to replicate the amazing actions they witnessed to when they saw
human men and women performing deep and satisfying sexual relations before their eyes..

It also explains why in Romans 1 reveals that God will hand deniers of truth over to worship the invisible evil that inspired them against God. These men then transform into the image of the gods they prefer, and became flaming, unrestrained homosexuals.

Romans 1:19-27


Since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.
For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—
have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking
became futile, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools
and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds
and animals and reptiles.
Therefore, God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies
with one another. They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than
the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations
for unnatural ones. In the same way, the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed
with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due
penalty for their error. Romans 1:19-27

Romans 1:19-27 reveals the background for the power that controls the minds of degenerate men and women today.
For angels were created male, and able to reproduce when activated. That is why we find certain angels who rebelled
were able to be sexual in Genesis 6. For their original design was to include females!

But - Satan and his mob ruined their chances for blessings for angels from God. God, whom they had rejected!
Since Satan and his angels refused to repent of their rejection of God?
God called off what would have been the next phase for blessing angels.
No female angels were to be given them.

Adam, in contrast, finished the work assigned him.
When finished is when God placed Adam into a deep sleep...and removed a rib.

The rest is our history.
Do you smoke dope?
 

Genez

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If you want to know who your knee jerk enemies are?

It's easy. Simply post the truth.
 
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A few got into the Ark and lived.
The many gave excuses and had all sorts of justifications.

In the end.
It was their end.

History repeats itself.
are you saying that those that don't believe angels had sex with human women are not going to be saved? That's a strange line drawn in the sand... not to mention totally unscriptural...
Perhaps I misunderstood your post...
 

Genez

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are you saying that those that don't believe angels had sex with human women are not going to be saved? That's a strange line drawn in the sand... not to mention totally unscriptural...
Perhaps I misunderstood your post...
I said no such thing....

No desire to unravel the snare set for me...

If you go back and read what I said.... it was not said.
 
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I read what you said... even quoted it. I even said, perhaps I misunderstood...
Can you elaborate on the quote I responded to? Explain what you meant?
 

Genez

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I read what you said... even quoted it. I even said, perhaps I misunderstood...
Can you elaborate on the quote I responded to? Explain what you meant?
Here you go...

A few got into the Ark and lived.
The many gave excuses and had all sorts of justifications.
In the end.
It was their end.
History repeats itself.


That had to do with the generation who refused to accept Noah's preaching...
Even though their life depended on it, they refused.

And, we have parallels throughout history where sound doctrine will be rejected while others cling
to false teachings that just sits well with their personal feelings on a matter.

For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine.
Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great
number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 2 Tim 4:3​

There you have it, sir.

That is in operation right now.

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Ok. Got it. Personally, I think that has been going on for quite some time, now. It has gotten quite a bit worse just in my lifetime.
 

Genez

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Ok. Got it. Personally, I think that has been going on for quite some time, now. It has gotten quite a bit worse just in my lifetime.
Yup... Satan is always perfecting and finding more ways to disrupt and add to the confusion.... which is his job.
 
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I have always believed this to be the case.

Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

However I have come to doubt this theory now as i've actually read the book of Enoch and it contradicts the Bible in some details, not to mention just doesn't "sound right" Doesn't sound like its from the spirit of God. I can discern that its not. You may disagree thats fine but that is where we must agree to disagree.

Jesus says: Matthew 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.

How could angels coming down and fornicating with women work if this is the case?

Is there any credible alternative explanation? In the OT, "sons of God" most often means angels, doesn't it?

Help a brother out here.
Not to sound bland, but who cares?
 

Genez

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I have always believed this to be the case.

Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

However I have come to doubt this theory now as i've actually read the book of Enoch and it contradicts the Bible in some details, not to mention just doesn't "sound right" Doesn't sound like its from the spirit of God. I can discern that its not. You may disagree thats fine but that is where we must agree to disagree.

Jesus says: Matthew 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.

How could angels coming down and fornicating with women work if this is the case?

Is there any credible alternative explanation? In the OT, "sons of God" most often means angels, doesn't it?

Help a brother out here.
Jesus mentioned only specific angels are not given in marriage.
Angels in Heaven!
Satan and his angels now roam the earth...

And, the word 'marriage' is not found in the Hebrew of Genesis 6.

Now it came to pass,
when mankind {literally 'adam - came to be used for 'mankind'}
had begun to 'become numerous'/multiply
on the face of the ground {adamah},
and daughters/'beautiful women' had been born unto them . . .
2~~
that the angels
{beni ha Elohiym idiom: literally sons of 'elohiym/gods}
kept watching the daughters of mankind . . .
that they were very beautiful . . .
and they took/'seized passionately' to them women {'ishshah}
{here is a masculine plural suffix signifying 'it happened
but was irregular'}
of all whom they examined and selected.


The word 'marriage" is not to be found in the Hebrew!
It was raw sex.
 

Genez

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Not to sound bland, but who cares?

Bland, means... "no salt."

I have been looking through your posts. No chapter and verses found anywhere.
Hope we don't bore you too much....

“You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again?
It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled underfoot.
Matthew 5:13

Saltless people, God will destroy in judgment....

It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled underfoot.
 
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Bland, means... "no salt."

I have been looking through your posts. No chapter and verses found anywhere.
Hope we don't bore you too much....

“You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again?
It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled underfoot.
Matthew 5:13

Saltless people, God will destroy in judgment....

It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled underfoot.
I guess this is just one of those “I’m bored. You ever thought about…” threads
 
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Jesus mentioned only specific angels are not given in marriage.
Angels in Heaven!
Satan and his angels now roam the earth...

And, the word 'marriage' is not found in the Hebrew of Genesis 6.

Now it came to pass,
when mankind {literally 'adam - came to be used for 'mankind'}
had begun to 'become numerous'/multiply
on the face of the ground {adamah},
and daughters/'beautiful women' had been born unto them . . .
2~~
that the angels
{beni ha Elohiym idiom: literally sons of 'elohiym/gods}
kept watching the daughters of mankind . . .
that they were very beautiful . . .
and they took/'seized passionately' to them women {'ishshah}
{here is a masculine plural suffix signifying 'it happened
but was irregular'}
of all whom they examined and selected.


The word 'marriage" is not to be found in the Hebrew!
It was raw sex.
Now that is interesting. It says the angels of heaven part in Matthew, but in Luke its just like this:

Luke 20:36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
 
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Jesus mentioned only specific angels are not given in marriage.
Angels in Heaven!
Satan and his angels now roam the earth...

The word 'marriage" is not to be found in the Hebrew!
It was raw sex.
You're letting your imagination run away with you. Completely bonkers. Your brother was a sci-fi fantasy illustrator, correct?
 
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And, the word 'marriage' is not found in the Hebrew of Genesis 6.
Correct, but the word wives is in Genesis 6:2. Wife means marriage. You're simply choosing to interpret "wives" as "women" contrary to the context. Which makes more sense? They saw the daughters of men and took to themsleves wives, or they saw the daughters of men and took to themselves women? The latter makes no sense
 

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They saw the daughters of men and took to themsleves wives, or they saw the daughters of men and took to themselves women?
The latter makes sense when the context is angels. Women would be strange flesh, not of their kind.

Jude~~6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.