Can't wait for the tribulation to start

[Sanders]

One of the things I like to do is to read Revelation chapters 21 and 22 to remind myself that this is only for a few years and then God and all the good things He promised will be here FOREVER. It might help you too!

I think this is why @BOY is looking forward to the tribulation - because of the end result.


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I agree.

 

[Sanders]

You can't trust the leadership of the Christian faith anymore, especially the pretribulation believing Christian teacher or leadership. they swallowed the lie. God sent them strong delusion that they believe a lie because they believed not the love of the truth.

You can't trust them for their advice, because they have a blockage between them and the Lord some form of disobedience a lie between them and Jesus therefore you can't trust their counsel in a dangerous situation you couldn't take counsel from them because they are untrustworthy. They could lead you astray. You best get the counsel straight from the Lord.

I deal with the Christian faith and leadership on a daily basis. they are more interested in their business than they are in the Lord and his sheep and his word. They can't afford to change their minds from Pretrip to Posttrib view. because they have built the foundation of their business on the pre-Trib theory, And it would upset their stats to discuss or to change their minds Concerning the tribulation. They don't even want to talk about it. Just in case one of the subscribers changed their minds. And it's all about subscribers numbers getting paid from YouTube. Building their business growing their business Not interested in discussing or debating just interesting in the clicks the likes and subscribers.

We can only trust the LORD as He never lies. The Word tells us time and again to not trust in man. It was noted Jesus did not trust man when he was on the earth. I am always looking up and reading scripture. I rely on God's eternal word. That will never let you down.

 

[Sanders]

I agree.

Love Hopes all Things ~Believes all Things. (fr 1 Cor13)

 

[Sanders]

I believe there was a rapture; perhaps more than one. And there is nothing in the Bible that preludes future raptures. But I don't see history having an apocalyptic demise. Rather, I see the kingdoms of this world becoming the kingdoms of our God and of His Christ.

Hi There, By chance would you say you're of the belief, Preterism? Which from my understanding also says there is no Antichrist? This is one of the Church of Christ's beliefs, at least in my locality..

 

[Cameron143]

Hi There, By chance would you say you're of the belief, Preterism? Which from my understanding also says there is no Antichrist? This is one of the Church of Christ's beliefs, at least in my locality..

I'm not big on labels, but I do believe that most of what the book of Revelation is concerned with came to pass first century. Some things were also accomplished as a result of the cross that began to be implemented in the 1st century that continue today in fuller measure, and will continue until they reach fruition.
As far as antichrists, they have existed from the 1st century and continue today.
And welcome to the site.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

I'm not big on labels, but I do believe that most of what the book of Revelation is concerned with came to pass first century. Some things were also accomplished as a result of the cross that began to be implemented in the 1st century that continue today in fuller measure, and will continue until they reach fruition.
As far as antichrists, they have existed from the 1st century and continue today.
And welcome to the site.

Well you're goin' to hell!!! rofl Wow I'm glad some people aren't God huh? Be squishin' people like ants. You, pre- tribber into hell with you!! hahaha These people at CC are wild! Did ya hear, Trump is president again!! It's just like Christmas day. Have a good one brother.

 

[Cameron143]

Well you're goin' to hell!!! rofl Wow I'm glad some people aren't God huh? Be squishin' people like ants. You, pre- tribber into hell with you!! hahaha These people at CC are wild! Did ya hear, Trump is president again!! It's just like Christmas day. Have a good one brother.

Hey sis. While there have been some here who question my salvation, I don't believe the poster who inquired about my positions is one. I believe she was making a genuine inquiry.
Hope you and yours are well.
Grace and peace.

 

[Sanders]

I'm not big on labels, but I do believe that most of what the book of Revelation is concerned with came to pass first century. Some things were also accomplished as a result of the cross that began to be implemented in the 1st century that continue today in fuller measure, and will continue until they reach fruition.
As far as antichrists, they have existed from the 1st century and continue today.
And welcome to the site.

Hey thanks for the welcome! So my question for you would be, who do you believe the man of lawlessness is in the book of Rev.? Do you deny there is a "Antichrist" and "a mark of the beast?" Also are you of the denomination, Church of Christ perhaps?

 

[Cameron143]

Hey thanks for the welcome! So my question for you would be, who do you believe the man of lawlessness is in the book of Rev.? Do you deny there is a "Antichrist" and "a mark of the beast?" Also are you of the denomination, Church of Christ perhaps?

I believe all the things you mentioned were real and part of the 1st century. Who or what they were I'm not sure. I have my opinion but can't prove from scripture.

I attend an independent non denominational church.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Hey sis. While there have been some here who question my salvation, I don't believe the poster who inquired about my positions is one. I believe she was making a genuine inquiry.
Hope you and yours are well.
Grace and peace.

No I was poking at the OP, not our new member. My bad, I didn't mean her at all. I had just read the OP and it struck me funny.

 

[Sanders]

Hi, Sanders. I am fine, and thank you for your question.

Rather than give some examples of tribulation from my perspective, I will give an example from Jesus' perspective because that is the only perspective which really matters. In other words, if I, you, or "many Bible readers and studiers" do not agree with Jesus' assessment of "tribulation," then we are in error, and we need to change our views. Having said that, please consider the following from Jesus' parable of the sower.

Mat 13:1
The same day went Jesus out of the house, and sat by the sea side.
Mat 13:2
And great multitudes were gathered together unto him, so that he went into a ship, and sat; and the whole multitude stood on the shore.
Mat 13:3
And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow;
Mat 13:4
And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up:
Mat 13:5
Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth:
Mat 13:6
And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.
Mat 13:7
And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them:
Mat 13:8
But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.
Mat 13:9
Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Of course, in this parable, the "seed" is representative of God's word, and the different types of soil are representative of different people's hearts. I deliberately bold-faced what Jesus said about the "seed" that fell in stony places because his interpretation of that will provide you with the proper answer to your question. Here is Jesus' interpretation.

Mat 13:18
Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower.
Mat 13:19
When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.
Mat 13:20
But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it;
Mat 13:21
Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.
Mat 13:22
He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.
Mat 13:23
But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

According to Jesus, the one who receives the "seed" or God's word in stony places is the one who hears the word, and anon, or immediately, receives it with joy. However, according to Jesus, such an one has no root in himself, but only endures for a while. Why does this type of hearer only endure for a while? Because when tribulation or persecution arises because of the word, by and by he is offended, and he does not endure.

Now, ask yourself this honest question, and give yourself an honest answer.

In context, was Jesus merely referring to "the great tribulation" or to but a yet-future 3 1/2 year timeframe?

Hopefully, you recognize that he was not, so (excuse my coming plainness of speech) I could not care less that "many Bible readers and studiers think the word tribulation means the time only when the man of lawlessness will be revealed, and martyrdom will increase or be more likely" because that is not what Jesus either thinks or taught. In other words, tribulation and persecution (Jesus coupled them together) can occur at any time, in any place, and in the life of any believer "because of the word."

Some practical examples of this would be a believer facing tribulation or persecution for preaching the word to others, and/or a believer facing tribulation or persecution for simply living a life that is in accordance with the word of God, and I have personally faced both on many different occasions.

I mean, think about it.

We live in a fallen world that is governed by "the god of this world" (2 Cor. 4:4) or Satan. If we are going to oppose him, either by preaching the gospel to others or by living in accordance to the gospel ourselves, then he is going to seek to hinder us.

My initial question was this:

If we are not facing Satanic/demonic opposition, whether directly or indirectly through people, then are we really living lives which are in opposition to Satan and demons? It seems to me that we are not.

In my own life, when I am quiet about the things of God, or when I am not truly living godly in Christ Jesus, basically all tribulation and persecution ceases. On the other hand, when I am sharing the word of God with others, or when I am truly walking in accordance to it myself (and we should be doing both), then tribulation and persecution increase.

As a matter of fact, I only really have about 3 Christian friends in real life, and one of them called me yesterday. He told me that he had been praying for me most of the previous night (Saturday), and that he actually fell asleep praying for me. Why was he praying for me? Because he knows the tribulations and persecutions which I normally face for the word of God's sake.

Anyhow, I am not the example, but Jesus is. He suffered much persecution in his incarnation, and no servant is above his master. If the world hated him, and it both did and still does, then it is going to hate us too...IF we are truly walking with him. In other words, it is basically guilt by association or people will hate us because they hate him.

I hope that this answers your question, and God bless you too.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

You can't trust the leadership of the Christian faith anymore, especially the pretribulation believing Christian teacher or leadership. they swallowed the lie. God sent them strong delusion that they believe a lie because they believed not the love of the truth.
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Here's the deal, be ready for whenever He comes, problem solved. As far as God tossing people into hell for being pre, post, sammiched in between, I think you need to chill. He said "watch and wait". That's good enough. Let's get more focused on getting more people into heaven.

 

[keepingthingsreal]

@Sanders

I see that you quoted my post in post #71, but I don't see any response to it. Was that a mistake?

 

[Sanders]

Hi, Sanders. I am fine, and thank you for your question.

Rather than give some examples of tribulation from my perspective, I will give an example from Jesus' perspective because that is the only perspective which really matters. In other words, if I, you, or "many Bible readers and studiers" do not agree with Jesus' assessment of "tribulation," then we are in error, and we need to change our views. Having said that, please consider the following from Jesus' parable of the sower.

Mat 13:1
The same day went Jesus out of the house, and sat by the sea side.
Mat 13:2
And great multitudes were gathered together unto him, so that he went into a ship, and sat; and the whole multitude stood on the shore.
Mat 13:3
And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow;
Mat 13:4
And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up:
Mat 13:5
Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth:
Mat 13:6
And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.
Mat 13:7
And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them:
Mat 13:8
But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.
Mat 13:9
Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Of course, in this parable, the "seed" is representative of God's word, and the different types of soil are representative of different people's hearts. I deliberately bold-faced what Jesus said about the "seed" that fell in stony places because his interpretation of that will provide you with the proper answer to your question. Here is Jesus' interpretation.

Mat 13:18
Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower.
Mat 13:19
When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.
Mat 13:20
But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it;
Mat 13:21
Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.
Mat 13:22
He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.
Mat 13:23
But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

According to Jesus, the one who receives the "seed" or God's word in stony places is the one who hears the word, and anon, or immediately, receives it with joy. However, according to Jesus, such an one has no root in himself, but only endures for a while. Why does this type of hearer only endure for a while? Because when tribulation or persecution arises because of the word, by and by he is offended, and he does not endure.

Now, ask yourself this honest question, and give yourself an honest answer.

In context, was Jesus merely referring to "the great tribulation" or to but a yet-future 3 1/2 year timeframe?

Hopefully, you recognize that he was not, so (excuse my coming plainness of speech) I could not care less that "many Bible readers and studiers think the word tribulation means the time only when the man of lawlessness will be revealed, and martyrdom will increase or be more likely" because that is not what Jesus either thinks or taught. In other words, tribulation and persecution (Jesus coupled them together) can occur at any time, in any place, and in the life of any believer "because of the word."

Some practical examples of this would be a believer facing tribulation or persecution for preaching the word to others, and/or a believer facing tribulation or persecution for simply living a life that is in accordance with the word of God, and I have personally faced both on many different occasions.

I mean, think about it.

We live in a fallen world that is governed by "the god of this world" (2 Cor. 4:4) or Satan. If we are going to oppose him, either by preaching the gospel to others or by living in accordance to the gospel ourselves, then he is going to seek to hinder us.

My initial question was this:

If we are not facing Satanic/demonic opposition, whether directly or indirectly through people, then are we really living lives which are in opposition to Satan and demons? It seems to me that we are not.

In my own life, when I am quiet about the things of God, or when I am not truly living godly in Christ Jesus, basically all tribulation and persecution ceases. On the other hand, when I am sharing the word of God with others, or when I am truly walking in accordance to it myself (and we should be doing both), then tribulation and persecution increase.

As a matter of fact, I only really have about 3 Christian friends in real life, and one of them called me yesterday. He told me that he had been praying for me most of the previous night (Saturday), and that he actually fell asleep praying for me. Why was he praying for me? Because he knows the tribulations and persecutions which I normally face for the word of God's sake.

Anyhow, I am not the example, but Jesus is. He suffered much persecution in his incarnation, and no servant is above his master. If the world hated him, and it both did and still does, then it is going to hate us too...IF we are truly walking with him. In other words, it is basically guilt by association or people will hate us because they hate him.

I hope that this answers your question, and God bless you too.

Thank you so much for taking time to answer. I could not agree more. I do believe things are going to get much worse. We are no different than any other country (who have it so much worse, N. Korea, China believers). I, too experience many trials/tribulations. Sometimes an attack hits me so hard I am blindsided and cannot see what's happening at first. Yet we are never alone! God is always with us and the Holy Spirit resides in us and we are marked in Him, the promised Holy Spirit.

Ephesians 1:13
And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit.

I hear you on the Christian friends topic. Very few here too. Most of them are in other states. I have tried hard to find a church. I came to the conclusion until God leads I just cannot find one. After driving to dozens over the last years of moving to this state.

Short testimony: The last few days I felt extremely overwhelmed with oppression. Admittedly, after searching my heart with the help of God, I realized I was harboring unforgiveness towards some people that I felt abandoned by. I went into my prayer closet and confessed to Jesus the names of each person I was feeling these hurt feelings towards. The heaviness lifted. Sometimes it is the enemy and sometimes it is our own sin! I'm so thankful for the Holy Spirit who is our counselor, comforter, and guide!

The Holy Spirit prays for us, and Jesus Christ intercedes for us at the throne of God. We are so blessed.

Romans 8:26-27
26 In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans. 27 And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for God’s people in accordance with the will of God.

Hebrews 7:25
Consequently, he is able to save to the uttermost those who draw near to God through him, since he always lives to make intercession for them.

Hebrews 4:14-26
Since then we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus, the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin. Let us then with confidence draw near to the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need.

 

[Sanders]

@Sanders

I see that you quoted my post in post #71, but I don't see any response to it. Was that a mistake?

I just sent a response. I hope it is there. I am still learning and navigating all of this.

 

[Sanders]

Thank you so much for taking time to answer. I could not agree more. I do believe things are going to get much worse. We are no different than any other country (who have it so much worse, N. Korea, China believers). I, too experience many trials/tribulations. Sometimes an attack hits me so hard I am blindsided and cannot see what's happening at first. Yet we are never alone! God is always with us and the Holy Spirit resides in us and we are marked in Him, the promised Holy Spirit.

Ephesians 1:13
And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit.

I hear you on the Christian friends topic. Very few here too. Most of them are in other states. I have tried hard to find a church. I came to the conclusion until God leads I just cannot find one. After driving to dozens over the last years of moving to this state.

Short testimony: The last few days I felt extremely overwhelmed with oppression. Admittedly, after searching my heart with the help of God, I realized I was harboring unforgiveness towards some people that I felt abandoned by. I went into my prayer closet and confessed to Jesus the names of each person I was feeling these hurt feelings towards. The heaviness lifted. Sometimes it is the enemy and sometimes it is our own sin! I'm so thankful for the Holy Spirit who is our counselor, comforter, and guide!

The Holy Spirit prays for us, and Jesus Christ intercedes for us at the throne of God. We are so blessed.

Romans 8:26-27
26 In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans. 27 And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for God’s people in accordance with the will of God.

Hebrews 7:25
Consequently, he is able to save to the uttermost those who draw near to God through him, since he always lives to make intercession for them.

Hebrews 4:14-26
Since then we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus, the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin. Let us then with confidence draw near to the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need.

Do you see this keepingthingsreal?

 

[keepingthingsreal]

Do you see this keepingthingsreal?

Yes, I see it.

I hear you in relation to your short testimony. I have experienced so much betrayal in my life that it is a wonder that I am still alive. Like you, I regularly search my heart before the Lord to keep any root of bitterness from possibly destroying me. I have never had a thought of self-hurt or anything like that, but I was thinking, just last night, that it might have been better for me if I had never been born. I am not looking for sympathy or anything like that, but my life truly has been one of one betrayal after another, after another, etc., etc. It's heart wrenching, but what can one do except seek the grace of God to both endure it and to continue moving forward?

Anyhow, I definitely don't fear the coming great tribulation. What? You want to chop off my head? Hold on just a second while a draw a dotted line across my neck with this indelible marker...lol. It's not that bad, but almost.

 

[Sanders]

You've argued with a few preachers in youtube comments, and didn't get good results, and based on THAT you've concluded that ALL Christian leaders, in the whole world, are corrupt?

That's a pretty big stretch.

It's an irrational stretch.
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Hi There, I am speculating and only that, but maybe this person has been hurt deeply, feels bitter, etc. by the people who lied or manipulated him and would benefit from prayer. God bless you. 2 Timothy 2:24

 

[Sanders]

Yes, I see it.

I hear you in relation to your short testimony. I have experienced so much betrayal in my life that it is a wonder that I am still alive. Like you, I regularly search my heart before the Lord to keep any root of bitterness from possibly destroying me. I have never had a thought of self-hurt or anything like that, but I was thinking, just last night, that it might have been better for me if I had never been born. I am not looking for sympathy or anything like that, but my life truly has been one of one betrayal after another, after another, etc., etc. It's heart wrenching, but what can one do except seek the grace of God to both endure it and to continue moving forward?

Anyhow, I definitely don't fear the coming great tribulation. What? You want to chop off my head? Hold on just a second while a draw a dotted line across my neck with this indelible marker...lol. It's not that bad, but almost.

.............I hear you 100%!!! I concur my sister. I am in that same boat. (air hug hug with lots of compassion)

 

[keepingthingsreal]

I am still learning and navigating all of this.

I understand. You seem to be of a gentle spirit. Welcome to the forums.