Tasted Death for every Man !
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i saw the original font last night, and it was a little harder to read. I do like this one! 
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If we would understand the ramifications of Christ having tasted death, we would understand that it could not have been for every man without exception. Heb 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
The word taste
See He experienced death in behalf of every man He died for. The death He experienced is the death they incurred as the wages of their sins Rom 6:23
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Rom 5:12
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
So these whom He tasted / experience death their behalf, are fully exonerated/discharged from having to experience it for themselves, as the wages for their sins. Death for them has been abolished 2 Tim 1:10
10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:
Thats a key element in constituting Him Our Saviour, abolishing death for us by tasting death for us.
Its not possible for Christ to have tasted death for an individual and it didn't for that individual abolish death. That would be a detriment to His accomplishment and Him being the Saviour.
Many will have to go into the second death Rev 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death
Therefore Christ could not have tasted death and abolished death on their behalf. 3
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
The word taste
- to taste, to try the flavour of
- to taste
- i.e. perceive the flavour of, partake of, enjoy
- to feel, make trial of, experience
- to take food, eat, to take nourishment, eat
See He experienced death in behalf of every man He died for. The death He experienced is the death they incurred as the wages of their sins Rom 6:23
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Rom 5:12
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
So these whom He tasted / experience death their behalf, are fully exonerated/discharged from having to experience it for themselves, as the wages for their sins. Death for them has been abolished 2 Tim 1:10
10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:
Thats a key element in constituting Him Our Saviour, abolishing death for us by tasting death for us.
Its not possible for Christ to have tasted death for an individual and it didn't for that individual abolish death. That would be a detriment to His accomplishment and Him being the Saviour.
Many will have to go into the second death Rev 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death
Therefore Christ could not have tasted death and abolished death on their behalf. 3
Of course it can. You keep assuming it's His death that saves when I have already shown you it is His life that saves. His death took care of sin. Now no-one will be condemned on the basis of their sin, but rather on their acknowledgement of Christ.
Matthew 16:15
He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?”
John 3:18
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
We were born separated from God on the basis of sin, we remain that way on the basis of not believing Christ is who He says He is, ie. Lord and Saviour. It is the Resurrection that proves His claims.
Matthew 16:15
He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?”
John 3:18
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
We were born separated from God on the basis of sin, we remain that way on the basis of not believing Christ is who He says He is, ie. Lord and Saviour. It is the Resurrection that proves His claims.
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No, that's just the way you read what I say because you don't want to consider anything other what you believe to be true. His death dealt with sin. That barrier kept us from God. It was an absolute necessity to salvation but it is not the direct cause of our salvation. That would be the Resurrection for it His life that saves. All sin of every man has been dealt with. He is the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world.
1 Corinthians 15:14
And if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain.
It's ironic really. Based on your understanding, anyone who doesn't believe exactly as you do would, by necessity, not be saved for according to you, it is God who causes us to believe what we do and He is not going to cause us to have differing beliefs. And if they are not saved, you don't have to listen to a word they say because as far as you are concerned, they are still dead in their sins.
1 Corinthians 15:14
And if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain.
It's ironic really. Based on your understanding, anyone who doesn't believe exactly as you do would, by necessity, not be saved for according to you, it is God who causes us to believe what we do and He is not going to cause us to have differing beliefs. And if they are not saved, you don't have to listen to a word they say because as far as you are concerned, they are still dead in their sins.
And you don't understand He died for sin, not for life. Our sins are forgiven because He died. We live because He rose from the dead.
All sin is forgiven in Christ. You want to know what that is like? You will need to be in Christ. Unbelievers will never know what that is like because they don't believe in Christ therefore, never receive the forgiveness that is in Him.
1 Corinthians 15:14
And if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain.
ps. maybe you can show me where I said His death doesn't effect salvation, because I have repeatedly said without His death our sins would remain. Christ's death means no-one has to answer for their sins. Instead, God can deal with the real problem that underlies all wrongdoing, ie. the rejection of God. The problem is you never actually listen to what other people say. You only hear what you want to hear.
You're the one who thinks Christ's death is limited in power, not me. I believe He tasted death for everyone, not just a few. I believe He wiped the slate clean for everyone so we each can give our own answer to the question ... "who do you say I am?"
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@sawdust
Christ died for unbelief/sin
The work of the devil, which unbelief is, cannot render the work of Christ on a sinners behalf ineffective or futile. But thats exactly what people are saying when they claim Christ died for people who still perish in their sins because of unbelief Jn 8:24
24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
That unbelief is Satan's work producing unbelief is seen in a couple of verses. #1 2 Cor 4:3-4
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
#2 Lk 8:12
Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.
So if Jesus died for a person for the intention of saving that person from their sins, and that person nevertheless dies in unbelief, and never believes and be saved, then the devil rendered Jesus purpose to save ineffective, and gains the victory over the Son of God concerning that soul. Thats why I dont believe a person Christ died for can die in their sins in unbelief !
Christ died for unbelief/sin
The work of the devil, which unbelief is, cannot render the work of Christ on a sinners behalf ineffective or futile. But thats exactly what people are saying when they claim Christ died for people who still perish in their sins because of unbelief Jn 8:24
24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
That unbelief is Satan's work producing unbelief is seen in a couple of verses. #1 2 Cor 4:3-4
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
#2 Lk 8:12
Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.
So if Jesus died for a person for the intention of saving that person from their sins, and that person nevertheless dies in unbelief, and never believes and be saved, then the devil rendered Jesus purpose to save ineffective, and gains the victory over the Son of God concerning that soul. Thats why I dont believe a person Christ died for can die in their sins in unbelief !
No I don't, that's just the way you want to see things because you insist on believing a lie. He died to account for sin for all men. No-one goes to "hell" for sin so Christ was victorious and completed exactly what He set out to do. We live because He lives, not because He died. We die to sin, not to the Lord.
John 1:29
The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!
That's why we proclaim the good news to all. If Christ had failed to account for the sin of unbelievers, we would waste our time proclaiming the good news.
You really need to think more on the logical outcome of your belief, for whether you know it or not, it is very pharisaical.
The "lottery draw" of salvation. Shrug, beats me why Jesus ever bothered telling all people to believe in Him if God had said to some they weren't allowed because they weren't picked out of the barrel. Sounds like a conflict of interest to me.
John 1:29
The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!
That's why we proclaim the good news to all. If Christ had failed to account for the sin of unbelievers, we would waste our time proclaiming the good news.
You really need to think more on the logical outcome of your belief, for whether you know it or not, it is very pharisaical.
The "lottery draw" of salvation. Shrug, beats me why Jesus ever bothered telling all people to believe in Him if God had said to some they weren't allowed because they weren't picked out of the barrel. Sounds like a conflict of interest to me.
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But He didn't die with that intention, that is where you go astray. He died for sin so that whoever believes in Him will not perish. The Father could save no-one until sin was dealt with otherwise He would compromise His own integrity. The Cross enables anyone who believes to be saved because the Lord has declared He will save believers. You even quoted the verse that says this.
John 8:24
Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.”
Maybe you will believe, maybe you won't but the condition for salvation is clearly whether one believes or not that Jesus is who He said He is.
You won't find a verse that says Christ died for salvation but you'll find plenty that links believing with salvation.
John 8:24
Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.”
Maybe you will believe, maybe you won't but the condition for salvation is clearly whether one believes or not that Jesus is who He said He is.
You won't find a verse that says Christ died for salvation but you'll find plenty that links believing with salvation.
So if Jesus died for a person for the intention of saving that person from their sins, and that person nevertheless dies in unbelief, and never believes and be saved, then the devil rendered Jesus purpose to save ineffective, and gains the victory over the Son of God concerning that soul. Thats why I dont believe a person Christ died for can die in their sins in unbelief !
Like I said, the logical outcome of your belief is pharisaical. I understand why you go where you do. Afterall, if God is the dictator of what one believes, then everyone must necessarily agree with you otherwise it couldn't be from God, could it?
If Jesus' purpose was to save everyone, you might have a point but His purpose on the Cross was to die for everyone's sin. This He did when He took away the sin of the world.
Whether one believes in Christ or not is another issue that the Cross does not determine.
Your explanation sounds a lot more like the "lamb of God who took away some of the world's sin and the devil made me do it."
You want to run with that? You are free to do so. I've said all I need to say.
Have a good one.
If Jesus' purpose was to save everyone, you might have a point but His purpose on the Cross was to die for everyone's sin. This He did when He took away the sin of the world.
Whether one believes in Christ or not is another issue that the Cross does not determine.
Your explanation sounds a lot more like the "lamb of God who took away some of the world's sin and the devil made me do it."
You want to run with that? You are free to do so. I've said all I need to say.
Have a good one.
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The everyone Christ tasted death for in Heb 2:9 is everyone who is a believer, who sees[spiritually] Jesus Heb 2:9
9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
The writer here includes himself and isnt speaking of the natural man or jew. The seeing here is the effects of the Holy Spirit giving sight. So Jesus tasted death for every man that is seeing Him, Jesus who came to save His Peole from their sins Matt 1:21 Its the Fathers will Jesus said Jn 6:40
And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. 4
9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
The writer here includes himself and isnt speaking of the natural man or jew. The seeing here is the effects of the Holy Spirit giving sight. So Jesus tasted death for every man that is seeing Him, Jesus who came to save His Peole from their sins Matt 1:21 Its the Fathers will Jesus said Jn 6:40
And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. 4
Like I said, the logical outcome of your belief is pharisaical. I understand why you go where you do. Afterall, if God is the dictator of what one believes, then everyone must necessarily agree with you otherwise it couldn't be from God, could it?
If Jesus' purpose was to save everyone, you might have a point but His purpose on the Cross was to die for everyone's sin. This He did when He took away the sin of the world.
Whether one believes in Christ or not is another issue that the Cross does not determine.
Your explanation sounds a lot more like the "lamb of God who took away some of the world's sin and the devil made me do it."
You want to run with that? You are free to do so. I've said all I need to say.
Have a good one.
If Jesus' purpose was to save everyone, you might have a point but His purpose on the Cross was to die for everyone's sin. This He did when He took away the sin of the world.
Whether one believes in Christ or not is another issue that the Cross does not determine.
Your explanation sounds a lot more like the "lamb of God who took away some of the world's sin and the devil made me do it."
You want to run with that? You are free to do so. I've said all I need to say.
Have a good one.