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Inquisitor

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Check out https://realclimatescience.com The guy has done groundbreaking work exposing the climate fraud
One of the graphs is Tornado (EF 3) count over time.

Why a count on EF 3 tornadoes only?

Seems like cherry picking to me.

Why not a total count of tornadoes by year?

wikipedia.org/wiki/list_of_tornado_events_by_year

Since the 1980s the tornado count has increased not decreased.
 

Inquisitor

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The last 50 years won't cut it. The 1930s were warmer in the US than it is now. Go study the heat records back then; nothing like it now
Summer 1936 was unusually warm, especially with arid conditions in the Great Plains and Midwest exacerbating the heat. Many of the high temperature records set that year in the region still hold today, the National Weather Service reported.

A claim that was made about 1936 being the hottest year.
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However, National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration data shows that in the contiguous U.S., the first nine months of 2023 were 1.64°F warmer than January through September 1936. (An agency spokesperson said October data is still being reviewed.)

Globally, summer 2023 was the hottest on record, NASA reported.

Climate scientists say that the 1930s heat waves in the U.S. are often singled out to rebut the existence of global climate change.

“In climate science, trend is the true indicator of climate change, not a particular cherry-picked year. Recent summers in the United States are some of the worst summers we have on record,” said Randall Cerveny, a geographical sciences professor at Arizona State University.

There’s abundant evidence that the Earth is warming exponentially because of human-caused climate change.

Heat waves, or persistent periods of unusually hot days, are becoming more frequent and intense in the U.S. and other parts of the world. 2023 has already broken several heat records, and climate scientists estimate that it will likely be the hottest on record globally. (poynter.org/fact-checking/2023/was-united-states-warmer-1936)
 

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Assuming all of that is accurate, it does not require high technology to measure the temperature and since everyone would do it given the chance it is certainly reasonable assumption. That means temperature is up 0.4%

Notice how they don't say that, instead they say 1.2 degrees and many will assume the same thing. This is a big deal because the different systems on earth are elastic. The idea that the earth can handle a 0.4% increase is very reasonable.

Second, from human standpoint 150 years is about 2% of human recorded history. So you have a small sample size.

There is no reason to assume that the starting temperature should be considered an ideal temperature for the earth. Why? Was the Ice age a more ideal temperature? I don't think so. Therefore the earth warming up after the ice age is not a bad thing and it certainly has. But the truth is I don't know.

What I do know is they are very deceitful in the way they present the science.

1. The carbon cycle is a cycle. The carbon in the atmosphere acts as fertilizer helping plants grow.
2. It is possible that the extra carbon is having harmful impacts on certain creatures in the sea.
3. But it is also very possible that the extra carbon is sequestered as methane hydrates at the bottom of the ocean.

But the whopper of a lie that they tell people is that we have to stop burning "fossil fuel". It isn't fossil fuel. It isn't cooked dinosaurs, or ancient algae. The methane hydrates at the sea floor are on a conveyor belt known as plate tectonics and they are what is cooked and turned into petroleum. Wells that were essentially dry and plugged were discovered to be refilled twenty years later. We are not burning fossil fuel, we are burning recycled carbon.

Finally the obvious and very clear solution to all this is not to waste trillions of dollars on the Green new deal. This last week China operated a Fusion reactor for 17 minutes. With AI and quantum computers it is very reasonable that we will have working fusion reactors in no time. So instead of wasting our resources on nutty waitress schemes and Hollywood elites, why not focus on a real solution.
You said the following.

"With AI and quantum computers it is very reasonable that we will have working fusion reactors in no time."

That's not all you will get with a combination of AI and Quantum technology.

Rev 13:13
It performs great signs, even making fire come down from heaven to earth in front of people.

The fires of heaven are all fusion reactors and that technology will arrive very soon.

The holy grail of energy generation.

Rev 13:15
And it was allowed to give breath to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast might even speak.

If AI and Quantum computers generate the ultimate image that speaks.

That image will have all human knowledge available plus much more.

Is that the image we will be forced to worship in Rev 13?
 

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Human or Divinely Inspired??

I see the events as beginning of the birth pangs!
Mostly human via the spiritual, though there are some physical factors (not necessarily carbon emissions).

First off, a stable climate is a blessing God gives his children. At least in America, how many anymore are truly His children walking humbly with their God? Also, a friend of mine had the sense that California in particular is physically dry because its people are spiritually dry.

As for the physical, a different friend got from God that the dams are changing climates by altering the evaporation rates. This actually seemed to fit what I learned in my environmental chemistry class in college since water vapor is actually the most significant greenhouse gas on earth but it's amount is presumed to be constant. Building dams that create new lakes, then, would logically have the potential to alter climate by violating that assumption.
 

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The Earth is still floating in outer space.

Space is cold....like really cold.

Our upper atmosphere bleeds off any heat into the vastness of the universe. As it has been doing for thousands of years. So far the universe's vacuum has not gotten any warmer....it's still cold.

Currently our little planet is moving in at least 10 different directions at the same time as we orbit the sun. That hasn't changed either.

Can we change the jet stream or magnetic poles or anything?
Only if the world was united in such an endeavor. And it will never be that united.

In fact the only way we could would be by destroying it with thermonuclear bombs.....a LOT of them. And then all life is gone too.

The goal is life....
 
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Climate change extremes are one of the predictions of climate change.

It's not steady as she goes with climate change.
Any and everything is a prediction of climate change. They move the goalposts as they see fit. Weather extremes happen more in cold weather than in warm weather. The reason we are seeing such cold weather now in places like NO is because of the unstable jet stream which allows colder weather from the poles to infiltrate latitudes further south. Jet stream weakening happens because of a higher influx of cosmic rays into the atmosphere that is caused by weakened sunspot activity.
 
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Summer 1936 was unusually warm, especially with arid conditions in the Great Plains and Midwest exacerbating the heat. Many of the high temperature records set that year in the region still hold today, the National Weather Service reported.

A claim that was made about 1936 being the hottest year.
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However, National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration data shows that in the contiguous U.S., the first nine months of 2023 were 1.64°F warmer than January through September 1936. (An agency spokesperson said October data is still being reviewed.)

Globally, summer 2023 was the hottest on record, NASA reported.

Climate scientists say that the 1930s heat waves in the U.S. are often singled out to rebut the existence of global climate change.

“In climate science, trend is the true indicator of climate change, not a particular cherry-picked year. Recent summers in the United States are some of the worst summers we have on record,” said Randall Cerveny, a geographical sciences professor at Arizona State University.

There’s abundant evidence that the Earth is warming exponentially because of human-caused climate change.

Heat waves, or persistent periods of unusually hot days, are becoming more frequent and intense in the U.S. and other parts of the world. 2023 has already broken several heat records, and climate scientists estimate that it will likely be the hottest on record globally. (poynter.org/fact-checking/2023/was-united-states-warmer-1936)
It wasn't just one year; it was the entire '30s. And the trend after that was down, not up, That's why you see around 1979 the trend shift directions and start moving up again. It's cyclical and at some point we will start seeing it trend down again.

Do you know what they are using as a baseline for their anomalies?

The rest of the claims in that article are just bnllsh!t. Do a little research about what weather used to be like a hundred and more years ago. The Great Flood of 1862 would be a good place to start
 
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One of the graphs is Tornado (EF 3) count over time.

Why a count on EF 3 tornadoes only?

Seems like cherry picking to me.

Why not a total count of tornadoes by year?

wikipedia.org/wiki/list_of_tornado_events_by_year

Since the 1980s the tornado count has increased not decreased.
Because technology allows us to detect and record tornadoes that weren't detected before. It's a matter of technology not climate. Here's something you can look into. What criteria do they use now to record a tornado now and what did they use before 1980?
 
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Even less if the the angle of the coast is steep. No doubt, to lose two or three feet of beachfront property, wow, you can see why some of these elites are freaking out.
The entire thing is 1) to control land and 2) to grift for money they otherwise couldn't get.
 

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Because technology allows us to detect and record tornadoes that weren't detected before. It's a matter of technology not climate. Here's something you can look into. What criteria do they use now to record a tornado now and what did they use before 1980?
Between 1980 and 2000, weather radar networks became the norm in North America, Europe, Japan and other developed countries. Conventional radars were replaced by Doppler radars, which in addition to position and intensity could track the relative velocity of the particles in the air.
 

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Any and everything is a prediction of climate change. They move the goalposts as they see fit. Weather extremes happen more in cold weather than in warm weather. The reason we are seeing such cold weather now in places like NO is because of the unstable jet stream which allows colder weather from the poles to infiltrate latitudes further south. Jet stream weakening happens because of a higher influx of cosmic rays into the atmosphere that is caused by weakened sunspot activity.
Are you referring to the Polar Vortex?
 

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No. When the jet stream is strong it keeps the vortex confined to the pole. When it weakens it meanders which allows the vortex to infiltrate lower latitutdes.
Yes, the poles are wandering, they are about to flip and the impact on the earth will be far more serious than "climate change". But let's not talk about that. Earthquakes are up 1,000% but let's not talk about that.

Nope let's talk about sea level rising six inches and how these fires in California are caused by climate change while telling people the snow and ice along the Gulf coast is not.

No State did more to "fight climate change" and yet the forest fires in California have completely erased any decrease in carbon emissions they might have had. Meanwhile, Alabama, the butt of all the wokeistas jokes, is looking smarter every day.
 
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Yes, the poles are wandering, they are about to flip and the impact on the earth will be far more serious than "climate change". But let's not talk about that. Earthquakes are up 1,000% but let's not talk about that.
Or the increase of cosmic rays due to weakened sunspot activity that not only weaken the jet stream causing extreme, erratic weather, but also penetrate the earth (muons) causing silica rich magmas to explode into violent volcanic eruptions
 

ZNP

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Or the increase of cosmic rays due to weakened sunspot activity that not only weaken the jet stream causing extreme, erratic weather, but also penetrate the earth (muons) causing silica rich magmas to explode into violent volcanic eruptions
Yes, that is a great idea for the Green New Deal, they need to stop thinking so small with lightbulbs and think big. How about space ships designed to fly near the sun, unfold big solar arrays designed to both generate electricity they will beam back to the US along with shielding the US from the harmful effects of the sun. No doubt initially probably very expensive, perhaps $100 trillion to start with. But if everyone on earth would simply chip in $10,000 each then we would be very close to that goal. Obviously a scam project of this size will require a lot of expertise to pull off so we'll need a few drama students to lead the way.