I would like some perspectives on Revelation.

[Pilgrimshope]

The context of Revelation is the day of the lord, ie day of the lord's wrath, so it's reasonable to think that is what John was referring to. The lord's day and the day of the lord say the exact same thing, just different syntax

revelation contains much more than a future view of the lords day.

past present and future events are within its imagery

For instance this

“And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

this is a summary of Jesus birth and ascention to the throne that happened before pentocost.

“Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:30, 32-33, 36‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The man child promised to the woman is the son of man promised to israel , the woman.

“Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭7:14‬ ‭

“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭9:6-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the son of man is a the man child who would rule with a rod of iron so you see there how israel was promised a messiah a male child who would rule the nations from the throne of God

It covers so much that’s past present and future it just corresponds with prophecy from the ot and the gospel

she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: ( psalm 2 )

“And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, And they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭1:21-23‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, And the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; Thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, When his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭2:7-9, 12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

“So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That’s only a couple examples there’s so many other scriptures that correspond to tell of so many biblical events it’s really crazy when you start seeing how the book reveals things that we read in the ot or gospel I think it’s why the book has a blessing upon it for those who read and keep it

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

“And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

this is a summary of Jesus birth and ascention to the throne that happened before pentocost.

I beg to differ. Rev mentions 144,000 who are with the lamb on Mt Zion, which is of course the symbol for God's throne. They are sealed before the 7 trumpets begin to sound. IMO these are not natural Israel, but those who overcome as it is written:

And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give authority over the nations: And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. Revelation 2:26-27​

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I beg to differ. Rev mentions 144,000 who are with the lamb on Mt Zion, which is of course the symbol for God's throne. They are sealed before the 7 trumpets begin to sound. IMO these are not natural Israel, but those who overcome as it is written:

And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give authority over the nations: And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. Revelation 2:26-27​

I beg to differ. Rev mentions 144,000 who are with the lamb on Mt Zion, which is of course the symbol for God's throne.

you mean those exclusively of Israel’s 12 tribes who had a covenant with God before the gospel was sent to all nations ?

“These are the words of the covenant, which the LORD commanded Moses to make with the children of Israel in the land of Moab, beside the covenant which he made with them in Horeb.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭29:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭7:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That’s the ot people of God who had a covenant with him as we do. But look after they are sealed who comes forth but the crowd the gospel was sent to

“After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, ( notice there’s no symbolism ot just says they were before the throne ) and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; and cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.”( these are those of the gospel of all nations of people singing of salvation and the lamb slain )
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭7:9-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

This is showing the two covenant peoples and how they are brought together as one people in the kingdom foret you see a crowd of Israelites , then you see a crowd of gentiles shouting of Jesus.

It’s showing this dynamic

“The law and the prophets ( exclusive to the children ofnisrael ) were until John:

since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.”( for all nations of people the second group shown )
‭‭Luke‬ ‭16:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I beg to differ. Rev mentions 144,000 who are with the lamb on Mt Zion, which is of course the symbol for God's throne. They are sealed before the 7 trumpets begin to sound. IMO these are not natural Israel, but those who overcome as it is written:

And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give authority over the nations: And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. Revelation 2:26-27​

“I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, And the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; Thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: Be instructed, ye judges of the earth. Serve the LORD with fear, And rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, When his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭2:7-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

to overcome and be an hier one has to do that first

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Do you believe Revelation is literal, physical, spiritual, something in between, or just another completely different perspective! I would love to see your thoughts and your logic behind them.

If we begin here ,the vision doesn’t really mean much to us biblically we just imagine a giant seven headed beast ect

“And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion:

and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭13:1-2‬ ‭

If we don’t know anything else about this line of prophecy in the Bible we begin imagining a dragon and a seven headed beast Rising up from the sea with ten horns and crowns ect so nothing is bieng revealed to us it’s just a vision we don’t understand about a dragon and beast

But if before that in about 60-90 ad we had heard this vision of prophecy from about 700 bc then what we’re reading in “ revelation “ has much more meaning to us

“Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea. And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.

The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.

And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh. After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.

you can see how daniels vision is a forerunner for johns. daniels four beasts appearing as a lion and an bear and a leopard with four four heads , and then the fourth beast. In 700 bc are johns one beast with seven heads having the appearance of a leopard ,bear and lion.

When the seven headed beast is explained in chapter 17 we see its rule of its heads is 5 past 1 present and 1 future.( From johns perspective in time not ours. )

After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.”
‭‭Daniel‬ ‭7:2-8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and the second part there

“And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? ( fourth beast in Daniel )

And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. If any man have an ear, let him hear.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭13:3-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth. Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet; and of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.

I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them; ( johns beast)

…Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces. And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.”
‭‭Daniel‬ ‭7:10, 13-14, 17, 19-25‬ ‭

then revelation 17 shows us more about the ten horns also and extra horn

“And there are seven kings:

five are fallen, ( johns past )

and one is, ( johns present )

and the other is not yet come; ( johns future )

and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.



And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.( johns future )

These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.”( prophecy )
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭17:10-13, 16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

John is seeing a comprehensive apacolypse that reveals prophecy and so the book of revelation plays against the rest of scripture like you see Daniel and revelation doing regarding the seven headed beast .

There’s a lot more to this particular subject but I’ll stop . Daniels other visions identify who the four kingdoms are Babylon was the first kingdom to rule nebucadnezzar is the first head . Then it would be media Persia who overthrew Babylon they were the second kingdom the third was Greece who overthrew Persia , and later rule was divided amongst the four generals of Alexander the Great after he was killed which led us into johns time as rome was forming to its full power being the sixth and seventh heads of the beast and the final kingdom in that first prophetic line there before the “ one who is and was “ arises as the final king with his ten companion kingdoms of which three he will destroy in the second line of prophecy regarding the nt you see there in revelation

Revelation is understood as we take in prophetic lines and other prior events in tbe Bible like a simple one is Jesus death and resurrection in the gospel

This next verse wouldn’t make any sense if we didn’t know about Jesus dying for our sins and rising up to life and then ascending to heaven and sending back his spirit into the earth like he promised . Or heard John say of Jesus look the lamb of God ! Ect if we had t heers any of the information on the gospel bout Jesus death this wouldn’t be of value we would t even know it’s him

“And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭5:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

what my point is is the information on the rest of the Bible is how revelation makes sense it’s an apacolypse “ to reveal “ something like lifting up a curtain and then you can see what’s already there but the curtain was blocking it ….

about because we read those things or learned then heard them ect we know immediately who the lamb is whomis worthy , and had been slain but still lives and is given all authority ect we have heard those things in the gospel about Jesus so , when we see revelation we just know ok that’s Jesus appeering at the throne of God and receiving his kingdom like Daniel also saw beforhand with less detail as John sees it with more details on chapter 5




.

In daniels visions it explains that Babylon who had taken israel captive and ruled over them was the first kingdom looking like the lion. And that Persia was the second which looked like a bear, and that Greece would be the third like the leopard with four heads ( Alexander the greats four generals who ruled after him when the Grecian kingdom divided. But before it was fully formed into the Roman Empire )

revelation is revealing things that were beforehand , we’re happening in johns present and also things that were to come all the way to an entirely new creation and “heaven on earth with the lord.

 

[Squigglylines]

You've come to the right place. You're going to get many perspectives.

Every time I see a thread like this in one of the many Christian forums I think, wait we could go back and forth for fourteen days like this thread has or just cut to the chase and hear it in one hour and twenty minutes and all of us over that many days would have it memorized by now.

 

[ewq1938]

I beg to differ. Rev mentions 144,000 who are with the lamb on Mt Zion, which is of course the symbol for God's throne. They are sealed before the 7 trumpets begin to sound. IMO these are not natural Israel, but those who overcome as it is written:

They are natural Israel, from 12 tribes of Israel. They are Christians religiously but Israel ethnically. The bible speaks of a remnant of Israel as believers.

 

[Rob7]

I have studied many revelation series, and I personally like this one, because they do not rush through it and if you can make it thru the entire series, I think you will be glad you did. Its best to watch (at least for me) in the morning and have your bible ready.
... There are 112 video series that are only 28 minutes each, 72 on Revelation the rest on Daniel.

God bless.

Blessed Sabbath Folks,
Just want to say hello.... I've just started coming into CC for fellowship with other Christian, to see if we can help each other in navigating these Times of Trouble and maybe find some solutions, I pray, to this propensity to sin, that I find myself in.
Hint ! His name is Jesus

Yes, Bother SB, I have also watched everyone of those 112 short videos, some 2-3 times .. and I agree that so far they are the most informative and enlightening to my understanding of Bible Endtime Prophecy. Definitely showing us where we are in this stream of time. Answering many of my questions as to why things are happening in world, such as they are. Helping to explaining my relationship to the world and what I need to be saying and doing ... Those videos gave me a more truthful perspective, as the correct understanding of Bible prophecy will do, to where the unknown is made know, increasing my Faith, so that I now have way less fear, by believing and Loving my Lord ... Thank You Jesus ! Rev 14 ... Fear GOD ! ... and give HIM Glory .. Amen!

If I can help anyone navigate, to a better understanding of the world situation and following Jesus, so that we get out of here ALIVE.
Please, please .. let's talk ... & remember prophecy ... "forewarned is forearmed" ... in this battle that we find ourselves, today.
Blessings Folks

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

I meant I would look at studies you personally created. I am not interested in 112 30 min videos.

Just so everyone knows, that video series is produced by the Seventh Day Adventist church

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Blessed Sabbath Folks,
Just want to say hello.... I've just started coming into CC for fellowship with other Christian, to see if we can help each other in navigating these Times of Trouble and maybe find some solutions, I pray, to this propensity to sin, that I find myself in.
Hint ! His name is Jesus

Yes, Bother SB, I have also watched everyone of those 112 short videos, some 2-3 times .. and I agree that so far they are the most informative and enlightening to my understanding of Bible Endtime Prophecy. Definitely showing us where we are in this stream of time. Answering many of my questions as to why things are happening in world, such as they are. Helping to explaining my relationship to the world and what I need to be saying and doing ... Those videos gave me a more truthful perspective, as the correct understanding of Bible prophecy will do, to where the unknown is made know, increasing my Faith, so that I now have way less fear, by believing and Loving my Lord ... Thank You Jesus ! Rev 14 ... Fear GOD ! ... and give HIM Glory .. Amen!

If I can help anyone navigate, to a better understanding of the world situation and following Jesus, so that we get out of here ALIVE.
Please, please .. let's talk ... & remember prophecy ... "forewarned is forearmed" ... in this battle that we find ourselves, today.
Blessings Folks

Hi Rob,

I am glad you enjoyed the series. Everyone who I have shared it with that has watched the whole series has come away saying the same thing.

God bless you brother and Happy Sabbath!

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Just so everyone knows, that video series is produced by the Seventh Day Adventist church

Actually that's not quite right, but close. It is not produced by the SDA church but by members of the SDA church through Dare to Dream Network.

 

[NightTwister]

Every time I see a thread like this in one of the many Christian forums I think, wait we could go back and forth for fourteen days like this thread has or just cut to the chase and hear it in one hour and twenty minutes and all of us over that many days would have it memorized by now.

I'm a panmillennialist. I figure it'll all pan out in the end.

 

[Rob7]

I'm a panmillennialist. I figure it'll all pan out in the end.
You can stop pretending that it all depends on you. For it's not how much you love, as much as how much He loves you. -- The Way of Wisdom, Michael Card

Right on, Mr NT ... We know how the Book ends ... We know it "pans" out, for The Creator God, in the soon coming end.
I do disagree with Mr Michael Card's statement though.

God is not a respecter of persons, He has one Law to Rule us all, being His Character ... and since my salvation concerns me very much, it most certainly depends on my following, and "how much you love", the Christ Jesus, His Way, by His Truth.

It does depend, on how I love Jesus in response to His Love for me ... which manifests as obedience to Father God, being a direct expression of my love for the Jesus, to where Jesus instills His robe of Righteousness on me, the only qualifying attribute, required to be an heir to His Kingdom, as a child of God. It's ALL about Love

And we surely don't want to be hearing this, when we meet Jesus, our King, the first time, face to face.

Not every one that said to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? and in your name have cast out devils? and in your name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess to them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity. Mat 7:21-23

And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 1 John 2:3,4

Blessed Day Folks

 

[HeavenlyHearts777]

I'm doing a deep dive in revelation and books that correlate to it right now. It is symbolic with a large portion that is literal.

 

[NightTwister]

Right on, Mr NT ... We know how the Book ends ... We know it "pans" out, for The Creator God, in the soon coming end.
I do disagree with Mr Michael Card's statement though.

God is not a respecter of persons, He has one Law to Rule us all, being His Character ... and since my salvation concerns me very much, it most certainly depends on my following, and "how much you love", the Christ Jesus, His Way, by His Truth.

It does depend, on how I love Jesus in response to His Love for me ... which manifests as obedience to Father God, being a direct expression of my love for the Jesus, to where Jesus instills His robe of Righteousness on me, the only qualifying attribute, required to be an heir to His Kingdom, as a child of God. It's ALL about Love

And we surely don't want to be hearing this, when we meet Jesus, our King, the first time, face to face.

Not every one that said to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? and in your name have cast out devils? and in your name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess to them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity. Mat 7:21-23

And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 1 John 2:3,4

Blessed Day Folks

Odd response. I'm not really sure what you're trying to say here.

 

[Omegatime]

There were a few more verses that clarify that he was speaking to our high priest, Jesus.

[Rev 1:10, 12-13, 15 KJV] 10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, ... 12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; 13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks [one] like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. ... 15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.

There is another references which is also pertinent:
In verse 1:10 John describing the beginning of the vision said:
I was in the Spirit on , the Lord’s day . . .

What day of the week was this? Is I possible to tell? Since the papal apostasy had not yet declared Sunday ( they called the venerable day of the sun) the Lord’s day I believe that it can be deduced that this was the seventh day Sabbath of the creator who is coincidentally Jesus himself.

Jesus said:
[Mar 2:27-28 KJV] 27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: 28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

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The Lord's Day is different than the Day of the Lord. If I can make sense of this. The Day of the Lord is speaking of the 1000 years and does not begin at Rev. 6.

2 Thess 2 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, 2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come. 3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness[a] is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

This scripture clarifies that the Day of the Lord cannot come unless the antichrist takes his seat in the Temple of God--period. And behold cant take place till the Middle of the seven ( years ) Dan 9;27

 

[DJT_47]

Rev 1:1

1The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

The above highlighted tells you a lot. Also, to whom was it written, which should also tell a lot? It was written to the 7 churches of Asia at that period of time.

 

[Omegatime]

Now, brothers and sisters, about times and dates we do not need to write to you, 2 for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3 While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.

This speaking of the jews. An event called the Day of the Lord is coming in which the people ( Israel ) are living in peace and security under the hand of the antichrist till he takes his seat in the temple of God.

 

[Rob7]

Actually that's not quite right, but close. It is not produced by the SDA church but by members of the SDA church through Dare to Dream Network.

I'm a member of the SD Adventist Church, in the world, but first and foremost, spiritually, a member of Christ's Church. (the body) here on earth, NOW. Out of Love for the Savior, because He first Loved me, [1 John 4:19] ... I follow The Lamb wherever He goes. [Rev14:4-5] ... here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. (Rev.14:12) In strict obedience to whatever my King deserves of me...

Therefore, ... I keep the 7th Day Holy as the Father has commanded me to do, and as Jesus was obliged by His Love for us, by Faith, to be unblemished by sin, which is transgression of the law, (1 John 3:4), to be the sacrificial Lamb of God, in God's Gospel Plan ... Thank You Jesus !! & praise His Holy Name, ........ Amen !

So ! NOW, I must also by Faith, .. loving Jesus, ... keep all that He has commanded me. ( John 14:15 "If you love me, you will keep my commandments." ) to represent His Righteousness, to the best of my abilities, as a witness to the world, to the Love of God and my neighbor, as myself.
Mark 12:30-31, and Deuteronomy 6:5 ................. It's ALL about Love !

"For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live to God. I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ lives in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain." Gal 2:19-21

I REALLY appreciate the 7th Day Adventists, and am blessed that they took the time time and effort to present Bible prophecy, the Way God want's it to be understood. Biblical Truth is Truth, no matter who presents it... and it has to be interpreted using God's methods, His definitions, NOT man's, ... His "signs and symbols" using His interpretation of those, to give us understanding to His purposes for biblical prophecy in the first place ...

Isn't that the whole purpose of Prophecy in the Bible ?.. John 14:29, “I have told you now before it happens, so that when it does happen you will believe.” Believe WHAT? ... The TRUTH, The Way, to The Life, eternal ... Jesus ! Amen
Blessed Day, all Y'all

 

[Rob7]

Odd response. I'm not really sure what you're trying to say here.
"You can stop pretending that it all depends on you. For it's not how much you love, as much as how much He loves you." -- The Way of Wisdom, Michael Card

Let me see if I can rephrase this

Mr Card, is saying that, my salvation has nothing to do with what I say and do in the world. ... Is he not? ... My salvation most assuredly depends on what I say and do in the world ... how I Love.

Mr. Card said, " it's not how much you love" ... Jesus says "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."

It's ALL about Love .. He loved us first, so that we would, hopeful Love Him back, We won't be God's children and heirs with Christ, if we don't Love Jesus, the Way, he Loves the Father... Making us fit to be citizens of the heavenly city, the New Jerusalem.

John 8:28-29, "When you lift up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am He, and that I do nothing of myself, but as my Father taught me, I speak these things. And He who sent Me is with Me. The Father has not left Me alone, for I always do those things that please Him."

Jesus expressed His Love for the Father, by doing the Father's Will.. Which is God's Commandment's, the Law of Liberty and Love. Love God with all your heart, mind and soul and your neighbor as yourself. Jesus expressed His love for His neighbors, by dying for us, being the Lamb of God, the Atonement. ""Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends." John 15:13
God has accepted Christ's offering as a full atonement for the sins of the world.

We now have the choice to accept Christ's atonement, accept Christ's righteousness and to live a life transformed by His principles,... OR NOT ... it's up to each one of us, whether we choose to love Christ, or not ... whether we want to be a child of God, or not. It's pretty simple ... I want to LIVE, so I believe and follow Christ. John 3:16