Tasted Death for every Man !

[Pilgrimshope]

Biblical knowledge as opposed to biblical discernment are two very different things. Anyone who would lead away from
a salvation solely by grace through Christ, lacks discernment and brings a gospel of death.

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;”
‭‭Titus‬ ‭2:11-12‬ ‭

 

[JS1789]

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;”
‭‭Titus‬ ‭2:11-12‬ ‭

Pretty simple to understand, but very few people get it. If someone doesn’t believe, they are damned (Jn. 3:18). If someone believes and is baptized (Mk. 16:16), they are saved by His grace through faith in Jesus, not of works (Eph. 2:8-9; Titus 3:5; 2 Tim. 1:9-10, 2:1; Acts 15:11; Rom. 3:24, etc etc), as His grace appeared to all men (Titus 2:11-12) in the sense of having His saving message go throughout the world to all men—the gospel (Mk. 16:15-16) and His death was for all men (Jn 3:16). By His grace that appeared in Christ Jesus who died for all men (2 Cor. 5:15), and by His gospel that is for all (Rom. 1:16), is how grace teaches us to deny ungodliness, and worldly lusts (Titus 2:11) as His grace provides a way of escape through the gospel (1 Cor. 10:13). Without Jesus and His words, we wouldn’t know how.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Pretty simple to understand, but very few people get it. If someone doesn’t believe, they are damned (Jn. 3:18). If someone believes and is baptized (Mk. 16:16), they are saved by His grace through faith in Jesus, not of works (Eph. 2:8-9; Titus 3:5; 2 Tim. 1:9-10, 2:1; Acts 15:11; Rom. 3:24, etc etc), as His grace appeared to all men (Titus 2:11-12) in the sense of having His saving message go throughout the world to all men—the gospel (Mk. 16:15-16) and His death was for all men (Jn 3:16). By His grace that appeared in Christ Jesus who died for all men (2 Cor. 5:15), and by His gospel that is for all (Rom. 1:16), is how grace teaches us to deny ungodliness, and worldly lusts (Titus 2:11) as His grace provides a way of escape through the gospel (1 Cor. 10:13). Without Jesus and His words, we wouldn’t know how.

Yes I agree completely we need this part too

“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. …..Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life. And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:63, 68-69‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

…..Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:31-32, 51‬ ‭

who would avoid this part ?

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We need the life part in his word so we can be redeemed from our sinful state of mind and heart and thinking that keeps us away from the light

“For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4:12‬ ‭

we get discernment by hearing and accepting his word it changes how we think and even our desires are altered as we learn from Jesus the truth and are changed from glory to glory and faith to faith

 

[rogerg]

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That someone comes to true belief is God's work, not man's, and it is evident that God does not give that belief to everyone.

[Jhn 6:29 KJV] 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

“For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;”
‭‭Titus‬ ‭2:11-12‬ ‭

Wait - do you realize what the verses you chose are saying? In effect, you are agreeing it is only by the grace of God that salvation must be given to someone- "the grace of God that bringeth salvation - and therefore, because salvation is only by the grace of God, it cannot be through man's efforts or actions? And with such an interpretation, I am in full agreement. Therefore, then, it must also follow that the "hath appeared to all men" (of 2:11), can only pertain to those to whom that salvation is given, and not to everyone.

 

[JS1789]

Yes I agree completely we need this part too

“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. …..Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life. And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:63, 68-69‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

…..Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:31-32, 51‬ ‭

who would avoid this part ?

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We need the life part in his word so we can be redeemed from our sinful state of mind and heart and thinking that keeps us away from the light

“For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4:12‬ ‭

we get discernment by hearing and accepting his word it changes how we think and even our desires are altered as we learn from Jesus the truth and are changed from glory to glory and faith to faith

It blows my mind how people think that just because we are saved by grace, somehow means that if you obey to be saved, and to have eternal salvation that it no longer becomes grace!

Matthew 25:46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

1 John 2:29, 3:7, and 10 also makes it clear that one who practice righteousness is righteous just as He is righteous.

(One that is righteous as He is righteous will be spending eternity in heaven with Jesus)

Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother.

(Anyone who doesn’t practice righteousness is not of God. Thus meaning that the one who is will be considered righteous/righteousness which means they are of God. One who is of God will spend eternity in heaven with Jesus).

Paul talks about pursuing righteousness (1 Tim. 6:11; 2 Tim. 2:22). Peter says that we might live for righteousness (1 Peter 2:24). That further corroborates the point John is writing.

From those passages, if one is not righteous/righteousness (not in of themselves), but by faith in Christ (Phil. 3:9), they will be in heaven with Jesus.

Also, in 2 Tim. 3:16, Scripture is “for instruction in righteousness”.

Grace and obedience are perfectly compatible as we have shown through scriptures. God has always required obedience all the way from Adam and Eve.

Obedience doesn’t negate grace. Take God's grace out of the equation, for just a minute. Now, how much all of God' commands save us or avail us?

Zero.

Now, take away all the commands of God. Have only God's grace. Would we be saved without His works/commandments?

No. Otherwise, everyone on earth would be saved by grace.

So, we need both.

But those “works”, those commandments, are not devised by man. Man did not originate them. They are devised by God for mankind for salvation by His grace.

 

[rogerg]

Now, take away all the commands of God. Have only God's grace. Would we be saved without His works/commandments?

No. Otherwise, everyone on earth would be saved by grace.

No, not everyone, only those whom He had chosen from before the foundation of the world, to grant His grace to through Jesus Christ as a gift, apart from any of their actions, are they alone who become saved. That is why God calls them His elect and chosen.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

That someone comes to true belief is God's work, not man's, and it is evident that God does not give that belief to everyone.

[Jhn 6:29 KJV] 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.



Wait - do you realize what the verses you chose are saying? In effect, you are agreeing it is only by the grace of God that salvation must be given to someone- "the grace of God that bringeth salvation - and therefore, because salvation is only by the grace of God, it cannot be through man's efforts or actions? And with such an interpretation, I am in full agreement. Therefore, then, it must also follow that the "hath appeared to all men" (of 2:11), can only pertain to those to whom that salvation is given, and not to everyone.

well this though

[Jhn 6:29 KJV] 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

is his answer when they asked “what shall we do “

“Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:28-29‬ ‭

Hes not saying “ if you believe it my work “ he’s saying as an answer to their question “ This is the work of God,

that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.”

Wait - do you realize what the verses you chose are saying? In effect, you are agreeing it is only by the grace of God that salvation must be given to someone- "the grace of God that bringeth salvation


What I’m saying is this is Gods grace that appeared to all people that brings salvation Paul’s just referencing it

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

( That’s gods grace that brings salvation to all people that teaches us to repent and obey the lord )

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

There’s no question we’re saved by grace through faith that’s how the gospel saves us

Paul’s just calling it the gospel of grace

“And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I dont dispute we’re saved by grace through faith I also acknolwedge faith without works is dead .

I dispute oeoples idea and explainations of what Gods grace is some teach a lawless grace that teaches no obedience or righteousness you don’t need to obey God like he said you’re saved already …..bu grace but Paul’s talking about the gospel that saves souls it’s full of grace and produces faith in those who accept it

others can reject it however
And be condemned by the same words that save believers

If we reject him and his word it’s leaving us in a bad position rhats also true

“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. ( note it doesn’t say the one who’s unable to accept me but rather the one who rejects me and won’t receive my words )

For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”
‭‭John‬ ‭12:48-50‬ ‭KJV‬‬

This stuff is all true as well and all we have to do is believe it that’s how grace and faith work

“For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭9:26‬ ‭

“But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭10:33‬ ‭

about like you said earlier we could t know theee things unless we’re willing to listen to the savior and lord who taught them and said these things in teaching you that believe are life everlasting if you keep my word you’ll know the truth whoever accepts my word will live ect ect

It’s a choice the way God made for people to believe is he sent out preachers to preach it so people could hear it and believe receiving faith

“For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

…So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:13-15, 17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s a message any human is capable of believing the gospel but some reject it and seek other things

 

[Pilgrimshope]

It blows my mind how people think that just because we are saved by grace, somehow means that if you obey to be saved, and to have eternal salvation that it no longer becomes grace!

Matthew 25:46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

1 John 2:29, 3:7, and 10 also makes it clear that one who practice righteousness is righteous just as He is righteous.

(One that is righteous as He is righteous will be spending eternity in heaven with Jesus)

Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother.

(Anyone who doesn’t practice righteousness is not of God. Thus meaning that the one who is will be considered righteous/righteousness which means they are of God. One who is of God will spend eternity in heaven with Jesus).

Paul talks about pursuing righteousness (1 Tim. 6:11; 2 Tim. 2:22). Peter says that we might live for righteousness (1 Peter 2:24). That further corroborates the point John is writing.

From those passages, if one is not righteous/righteousness (not in of themselves), but by faith in Christ (Phil. 3:9), they will be in heaven with Jesus.

Also, in 2 Tim. 3:16, Scripture is “for instruction in righteousness”.

Grace and obedience are perfectly compatible as we have shown through scriptures. God has always required obedience all the way from Adam and Eve.

Obedience doesn’t negate grace. Take God's grace out of the equation, for just a minute. Now, how much all of God' commands save us or avail us?

Zero.

Now, take away all the commands of God. Have only God's grace. Would we be saved without His works/commandments?

No. Otherwise, everyone on earth would be saved by grace.

So, we need both.

But those “works”, those commandments, are not devised by man. Man did not originate them. They are devised by God for mankind for salvation by His grace.

Yes it’s become as if “faith and grace “ is the reason we don’t even need to actually hear what Jesus said will save us and believe . Faith is why we do t need to take seriously repentance and obeying God . Sort of “ I have faith so therefore I never need to obey God or feel guilty about sin again I’m saved and o need to learn or do nothing thisnis grace and faith “

sad because to believe it we have to literally reject the teachings of God he said will save our souls and sent to every creature so they could be saved

By simply accepting the gospel

 

[JS1789]

Yes it’s become as if “faith and grace “ is the reason we don’t even need to actually hear what Jesus said will save us and believe . Faith is why we do t need to take seriously repentance and obeying God . Sort of “ I have faith so therefore I never need to obey God or feel guilty about sin again I’m saved and o need to learn or do nothing thisnis grace and faith “

sad because to believe it we have to literally reject the teachings of God he said will save our souls and sent to every creature so they could be saved

By simply accepting the gospel

If people honestly believe they can go to heaven and not care about their conduct on earth (because they fear it’s earning salvation), then they are in for a rude awakening. Passages all over the Bible teach that it matters how we live. To live by God’s grace is to live godly. Some people are so busy trying not to earn salvation, (an impossibility), that they completely overlook obedience.

 

[sawdust]

If salvation is conditioned on man's conduct, how is salvation by grace?

Because it is not conditioned on man's conduct but on God's promise. Your believing didn't save you, God's word did.

Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.

I'm sure you don't think the sun will rise tomorrow just because you believe it will.

 

[JS1789]

Because it is not conditioned on man's conduct but on God's promise. Your believing didn't save you, God's word did.

Then either 1) everyone is saved then, since God desires all to be saved (1 Tim. 2:4), 2) some are unconditionally eternally saved and damned by God’s eternal decree and man does not have the choice, which would make God a respecter of persons (Acts 10:34), or 3) It is based on the promise of God’s word that He has set, with the condition of obeying Jesus to have eternal life (Heb. 5:9).

 

[JS1789]

Because it is not conditioned on man's conduct but on God's promise. Your believing didn't save you, God's word did.

Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.

I'm sure you don't think the sun will rise tomorrow just because you believe it will.

Then either 1) everyone is saved then, since God desires all to be saved (1 Tim. 2:4), 2) some are unconditionally eternally saved and damned by God’s eternal decree and man does not have the choice, which would make God a respecter of persons (Acts 10:34), or 3) It is based on the promise of God’s word that He has set, with the condition of obeying Jesus to have eternal life (Heb. 5:9)

 

[JS1789]

Because it is not conditioned on man's conduct but on God's promise. Your believing didn't save you, God's word did.

Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.

I'm sure you don't think the sun will rise tomorrow just because you believe it will.

John, Peter, Paul, James, etc etc taught that the conduct of a Christian matters to have eternal life.

Hebrews 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

Rom. 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.

1 Jn. 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

1 Jn. 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

1 Jn. 3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.

Gal. 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God

1 Cor. 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God

2 Peter 1:5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.10 ¶ Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

2 Peter 1:14 As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.

Rom. 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

2 Thess 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ

Eph. 5:3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

Col. 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:7 In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.8 ¶ But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.12 ¶ Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;13 Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.14 And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.15 And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful.16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

James 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:24 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.26 ¶ If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

Paul also says to walk worthy (Eph. 4:1; Col. 1:10; 1 Thess. 2:12)

 

[brightfame52]

Heb 2:9-10

9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

The every Man in Vs 9 refers to the Many Sons He suffered and died for, resulting in Him being the Captain of their Salvation. This therefore also speaks of effectual atonement since them He suffered and tasted death for resulted in Him being the Captain of their Salvation bringing them to Glory. 5

 

[sawdust]

Then either 1) everyone is saved then, since God desires all to be saved (1 Tim. 2:4), 2) some are unconditionally eternally saved and damned by God’s eternal decree and man does not have the choice, which would make God a respecter of persons (Acts 10:34), or 3) It is based on the promise of God’s word that He has set, with the condition of obeying Jesus to have eternal life (Heb. 5:9)

God may well desire everyone to be saved but He promised to only save believers.

Your conduct does not earn you salvation but it does reveal whether you are applying it or not.

You have a choice to believe or not. You do not have a choice whether to be saved or not.

 

[rogerg]

s his answer when they asked “what shall we do “

And the answer Jesus gave to them was that there was nothing they could do for it - that it is all the Father's work.

What I’m saying is this is Gods grace that appeared to all people that brings salvation Paul’s just referencing it

That may be what you're saying but it not what those verses are saying. Read them again very carefully this time,

I dispute oeoples idea and explainations of what Gods grace is some teach a lawless grace that teaches no obedience or righteousness you don’t need to obey God like he said you’re saved already …..bu grace but Paul’s talking about the gospel that saves souls it’s full of grace and produces faith in those who accept it

If someone has to do something to obtain grace, then it isn't grace. For grace to be grace, it must be given completely as a free gift from the Father through Christ with no prerequisites or conditions associated to it other than God having chosen them for it. As a gift, any obeyance or actions on our part in order to receive it cannot be required because that would make it a work and not grace. Were that necessary then no one could satisfy it. Therefore, our acceptance of it is not a prerequisite to the receiving of it. God just gives it as a gift to whom He will.
However, that does not mean those who are saved/born again shouldn't act in ways God and Christ glorifying, but that coming from salvation not leading to salvation.

The faith of the below verse is Christ's faith. It is by His faith and righteousness imputed to us (not by ours), that we become saved.

[Eph 2:8 KJV] 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:

It’s a choice the way God made for people to believe is he sent out preachers to preach it so people could hear it and believe receiving faith

“For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

…So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:13-15, 17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s a message any human is capable of believing the gospel but some reject it and seek other things

No, it is not a message that anyone is capable of truly believing. We went thought all of this in our last go-around on the other thread. Our belief is not what saves us, true belief is given as a result of/from/accompanying having become saved - it does not bring salvation. The "hearing" in view is spiritual hearing, not the earthly hearing of man. That is why the end of the verse you quoted says, "and hearing by the word of God". Otherwise, it would say something like 'faith (cometh) by hearing.".

[Jhn 8:43 & 47 KJV]
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my word.
47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear [them] not, because ye are not of God.

 

[Cameron143]

Because it is not conditioned on man's conduct but on God's promise. Your believing didn't save you, God's word did.

Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.

I'm sure you don't think the sun will rise tomorrow just because you believe it will.

Of course it's not conditioned on man's conduct. That was the point I was making. Another poster said it was conditioned on man's conduct.
And you're correct...believing didn't save me, Jesus' perfect life reckoned to me and His sacrificial atonement did. Then in space and time, God placed His Spirit in me and made me alive and the gospel revealed to me what Jesus had done on my behalf.

 

[JS1789]

Take away God’s grace, and have nothing but obedience. Will obedience alone save someone? No, because no one can obey perfectly. Take away obedience and have nothing but God’s grace. Will God’s grace alone save someone? No, because one must obey the gospel (2 Thess 1:8) and one must not live in sin to be saved (Rom. 6:1; Col. 3:5-7, etc etc). So, to be saved by grace you must obey (Heb. 5:9). God did His part by giving grace, and we must do our part to access by faith this His grace to be saved by grace (Rom. 5:2; Acts 2:38; Eph 2:8; Heb. 5:9).

 

[rogerg]

Will God’s grace alone save someone? No,

Yes. God's grace alone through Christ alone has always been how anyone becomes saved

 

[Pilgrimshope]

If people honestly believe they can go to heaven and not care about their conduct on earth (because they fear it’s earning salvation), then they are in for a rude awakening. Passages all over the Bible teach that it matters how we live. To live by God’s grace is to live godly. Some people are so busy trying not to earn salvation, (an impossibility), that they completely overlook obedience.

Right there are two kinds of grace taught of in the Bible Gods grace that comes from believing the gospel which teaches us repentance , and upright living in this world while we wait for Jesus return announced in the gospel

then there is a grace taught by false teachers that teaches people you don’t need to repent your saved by grace , you don’t need to accept the things Jesus said will save you or damn you because …your saved by grace . And faith means never having to obey God you have faith instead ect

Grace and faith aren’t reasons why we don’t need to hear Gods word bekieve and act upon it . Grace is the reason we are capable of it