Not being wrong is not always heretical

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If that’s the case, then we have all been heretics, as we have all been wrong on something. I’m probably wrong on some things, but would they be heretical? No, I don’t believe so, otherwise I wouldn’t believe them. Many interpretations of scripture fall into the category of non-essential doctrines, which do not affect one's salvation. Differences in understanding can exist on certain topics. As believers grow in their faith and study of the Word, they may come to different conclusions about certain verses. This process of learning and growing in understanding is a normal part of the Christian journey (2 Peter 3:18). The focus should be on the core tenets of the faith—such as the divinity of Christ, His resurrection, and the necessity of grace for salvation—rather than on secondary issues that can lead to division. We are called to approach scripture with humility and grace, recognizing that none of us has perfect understanding. Engaging in respectful dialogue and being open to learning from one another can foster unity in the body of Christ.

We should be willing to accept that we may not have all the answers and that our understanding may need to be corrected or deepened (Acts 18:24-26).
Prov. 15:32 teaches He who disdains instruction despises his own soul,
But he who heeds rebuke gets understanding.
Proverbs 12:1 teaches that "Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge, but whoever hates correction is stupid." Being open to learning from Scripture can lead to spiritual growth.

When we read the Bible, we should seek to understand its meaning and how it applies to our lives. This means asking God for wisdom (James 1:5) and being willing to reflect on how His Word challenges us.

Approaching Scripture with humility also means being open to learning from others in the faith community. Engaging in discussions, Bible studies, and listening to different perspectives can enrich our understanding and help us grow.

Some things to ask yourself when hearing or listening to a view:

1) Will it cause one to call Jesus Lord but not do the things He say (Lk. 6:46)?

2) Is it bringing upon themselves [or others] swift destruction? (2 Peter 2:1).

3) Is that belief or teaching damnable heresy? (More along the same thoughts of question 2)

4) Is it going to cause one to deny the Lord that bought them (2 Peter 2:1)?

5) Will it cause one to have iniquities that separate them from God (Is. 59:2)?

6) Will it cause one to commit sin or live in sin? (Gal. 5:19-21, etc etc)

As long as the belief is not sinful, against Christ’s doctrine, thinking beyond what is written, denying the essentials, damnable heresy, advocating or promoting sin, vain worship, causing people to deny the Lord, contradicts the nature of God, changing the way of salvation, altering God’s word, causing one to remain outside of Christ, rejects the truth about something salvific, or errs from the truth, etc etc...then we can believe it.

While my understanding on certain things is far from perfect, what I do know is founded on the word of truth. Thankfully, salvation is not based on perfect knowledge or else no one would be saved. Rather than being judged on our knowledge in our studies, we are judged on our faithfulness and growth of a Christian.

A good rule of thumb is that interpretations that cause theological heresy in belief or sins in practice are to be avoided. Beneath that, it is more open to judgment.

Since sin is what causes us to have iniquities and iniquities causes us to be separated from God (Is. 59:2), a doctrine that would cause one to be separated from Him if persisted in, would be one that would either condone sin, cause one to live in sin, or believe something sinful.

An amazing thing might happen when you make it your goal to listen well and to understand what someone’s saying: You might find out you’re wrong. Instead of getting angry when this occurs, view it as a blessing and a chance to deepen your humility and grow in understanding.

Instead of automatically assuming something about what someone believes (unless you’ve studied to know it’s what they believe) and crawl down their necks, it would be better if asked “What do you exactly mean?”, “Could you tell me more about that?”
 

homwardbound

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Absolute truth from God working that through you, Thank you
God seriously loves us all, otherwise Jesus would not have gone to that cross willingly, at least this I see willingly
Willingly listen, willingly see to not condemn, Willingly see God does not condemn us, thanks to son's done work on that cross once for everyone. Proven to me in Son as Risen, that I believe is risen, done for us the people, all of us to love back in the same love and mercy given us all on that cross first
As perfect Love, casts out all fear 1 John 4:18
 

GWH

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#3
If that’s the case, then we have all been heretics, as we have all been wrong on something. I’m probably wrong on some things, but would they be heretical? No, I don’t believe so, otherwise I wouldn’t believe them. Many interpretations of scripture fall into the category of non-essential doctrines, which do not affect one's salvation. Differences in understanding can exist on certain topics. As believers grow in their faith and study of the Word, they may come to different conclusions about certain verses. This process of learning and growing in understanding is a normal part of the Christian journey (2 Peter 3:18). The focus should be on the core tenets of the faith—such as the divinity of Christ, His resurrection, and the necessity of grace for salvation—rather than on secondary issues that can lead to division. We are called to approach scripture with humility and grace, recognizing that none of us has perfect understanding. Engaging in respectful dialogue and being open to learning from one another can foster unity in the body of Christ.

We should be willing to accept that we may not have all the answers and that our understanding may need to be corrected or deepened (Acts 18:24-26).
Prov. 15:32 teaches He who disdains instruction despises his own soul,
But he who heeds rebuke gets understanding.
Proverbs 12:1 teaches that "Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge, but whoever hates correction is stupid." Being open to learning from Scripture can lead to spiritual growth.

When we read the Bible, we should seek to understand its meaning and how it applies to our lives. This means asking God for wisdom (James 1:5) and being willing to reflect on how His Word challenges us.

Approaching Scripture with humility also means being open to learning from others in the faith community. Engaging in discussions, Bible studies, and listening to different perspectives can enrich our understanding and help us grow.

Some things to ask yourself when hearing or listening to a view:

1) Will it cause one to call Jesus Lord but not do the things He say (Lk. 6:46)?

2) Is it bringing upon themselves [or others] swift destruction? (2 Peter 2:1).

3) Is that belief or teaching damnable heresy? (More along the same thoughts of question 2)

4) Is it going to cause one to deny the Lord that bought them (2 Peter 2:1)?

5) Will it cause one to have iniquities that separate them from God (Is. 59:2)?

6) Will it cause one to commit sin or live in sin? (Gal. 5:19-21, etc etc)

As long as the belief is not sinful, against Christ’s doctrine, thinking beyond what is written, denying the essentials, damnable heresy, advocating or promoting sin, vain worship, causing people to deny the Lord, contradicts the nature of God, changing the way of salvation, altering God’s word, causing one to remain outside of Christ, rejects the truth about something salvific, or errs from the truth, etc etc...then we can believe it.

While my understanding on certain things is far from perfect, what I do know is founded on the word of truth. Thankfully, salvation is not based on perfect knowledge or else no one would be saved. Rather than being judged on our knowledge in our studies, we are judged on our faithfulness and growth of a Christian.

A good rule of thumb is that interpretations that cause theological heresy in belief or sins in practice are to be avoided. Beneath that, it is more open to judgment.

Since sin is what causes us to have iniquities and iniquities causes us to be separated from God (Is. 59:2), a doctrine that would cause one to be separated from Him if persisted in, would be one that would either condone sin, cause one to live in sin, or believe something sinful.

An amazing thing might happen when you make it your goal to listen well and to understand what someone’s saying: You might find out you’re wrong. Instead of getting angry when this occurs, view it as a blessing and a chance to deepen your humility and grow in understanding.

Instead of automatically assuming something about what someone believes (unless you’ve studied to know it’s what they believe) and crawl down their necks, it would be better if asked “What do you exactly mean?”, “Could you tell me more about that?”
Re "If that’s the case, then we have all been heretics, as we have all been wrong on something. I’m probably wrong on some things, but would they be heretical?": Yes, we have (which you illustrated with the title of the thread:).

I think you meant, "Not being right is not always heretical", meaning sinfully wrong. Right? (Or, "Being wrong is not always heretical".)
 

GRACE_ambassador

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op: not being wrong = heretical?

The heresies would be pertaining to 'Essentials': God's Deity (Of Jesus Christ ), and
Eternal Salvation =
Eternal Damnation, Correct?

Differences on all the other non-essentials and being wrong would simply be
"loss of rewards" At The Judgment Seat Of Christ, Correct?

Amen.
 

Magenta

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The Greek word, αιρεσις (hair-e-sis), means “choice.” It is often translated “heresy” when describing
a wrong choice, a choice contrary to the way of God, according to one church denomination or another.
 

GWH

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op: not being wrong = heretical?

The heresies would be pertaining to 'Essentials': God's Deity (Of Jesus Christ ), and
Eternal Salvation =
Eternal Damnation, Correct?

Differences on all the other non-essentials and being wrong would simply be
"loss of rewards" At The Judgment Seat Of Christ, Correct?

Amen.
Yes. The essential beliefs for salvation is the topic of the Kerygma thread (along with a few related secondary doctrines).
 

homwardbound

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The Greek word, αιρεσις (hair-e-sis), means “choice.” It is often translated “heresy” when describing
a wrong choice, a choice contrary to the way of God, according to one church denomination or another.
Could that be like when it states we speak out of two sides of our mouths!

For Example:
I tell others they are forgiven by God in risen Son , that is done for us all to stand in belief to this truth

Then as I leave, I get asked where am I going? I say to Church. This person says what for? I say to get forgiven!
that person says to me, I thought you said by God in son we are already forgiven? I reply I did!
Then that person says then why do you need more?
I say I sinned again and need to repent again.
That person says, so God's Son's death was not sufficient? We need more reconciliation?
Now I am perplexed and see my own heresies anyone else?
Hebrews 9:22
And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
Is Jesus ever coming back to die for anymore sin?
Waking up, getting the me out of the way. Was his one time willing g death not good enough to take away sin for us? Father did it, I believe it and see new
Colossians 1:21
And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
Colossians 1:22
in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

therefore what is done is done is it. not? Can we now be thankful and ask Daddy to teach us new in this love and mercy from Son given us?

then the new begins wow woe is me




Thank you
 
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JS1789

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#9
Yes. I meant to say “Being wrong is not always heretical”.
 

Magenta

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Yes. I meant to say “Being wrong is not always heretical”.
Of course the problem is that often someone is wrong, but people seldom see themselves as being in the wrong.

And in these types of Biblical doctrinal discussions, both can be wrong haha.

And then there is the problem of people failing to read and respond to what is actually said.

And people adding to or subtracting from what is explicitly written in Scripture, and refusing to own up to it.
 

homwardbound

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You mean like all the mass Confusion over 'water' { primary or secondary? } baptism???
Yes, and Father will be the one to reach us each in God's truth and I see to not argue trusting Father in Romans 14:1-4 God is the one that straightens out each one in love and mercy given them by Son' done work first, then be given free of charge new life in Son's risen life
One Faith, one Lord, and one Baptism, which is it? Water or Spirit. Me it is Father's Spirit as in John 4:23-24
dead to first born birth of flesh that is 93% water once born here through woman, see new and agree to become dead to flesh nature to be alive new in second birth given this from God Father's Spirit and Truth in risen Son for me at least
A gigantic mistake in translating from Greek is: It never specifies which Baptism it is talking about, Water or Spirit as in Romans 6, no specification
I see it is Spirit Baptism, Father in risen Son, once Jesus finished his work here on earth first.
thanks for asking
 

Kroogz

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If that’s the case, then we have all been heretics, as we have all been wrong on something. I’m probably wrong on some things, but would they be heretical? No, I don’t believe so, otherwise I wouldn’t believe them. Many interpretations of scripture fall into the category of non-essential doctrines, which do not affect one's salvation. Differences in understanding can exist on certain topics. As believers grow in their faith and study of the Word, they may come to different conclusions about certain verses. This process of learning and growing in understanding is a normal part of the Christian journey (2 Peter 3:18). The focus should be on the core tenets of the faith—such as the divinity of Christ, His resurrection, and the necessity of grace for salvation—rather than on secondary issues that can lead to division. We are called to approach scripture with humility and grace, recognizing that none of us has perfect understanding. Engaging in respectful dialogue and being open to learning from one another can foster unity in the body of Christ.

We should be willing to accept that we may not have all the answers and that our understanding may need to be corrected or deepened (Acts 18:24-26).
Prov. 15:32 teaches He who disdains instruction despises his own soul,
But he who heeds rebuke gets understanding.
Proverbs 12:1 teaches that "Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge, but whoever hates correction is stupid." Being open to learning from Scripture can lead to spiritual growth.

When we read the Bible, we should seek to understand its meaning and how it applies to our lives. This means asking God for wisdom (James 1:5) and being willing to reflect on how His Word challenges us.

Approaching Scripture with humility also means being open to learning from others in the faith community. Engaging in discussions, Bible studies, and listening to different perspectives can enrich our understanding and help us grow.

Some things to ask yourself when hearing or listening to a view:

1) Will it cause one to call Jesus Lord but not do the things He say (Lk. 6:46)?

2) Is it bringing upon themselves [or others] swift destruction? (2 Peter 2:1).

3) Is that belief or teaching damnable heresy? (More along the same thoughts of question 2)

4) Is it going to cause one to deny the Lord that bought them (2 Peter 2:1)?

5) Will it cause one to have iniquities that separate them from God (Is. 59:2)?

6) Will it cause one to commit sin or live in sin? (Gal. 5:19-21, etc etc)

As long as the belief is not sinful, against Christ’s doctrine, thinking beyond what is written, denying the essentials, damnable heresy, advocating or promoting sin, vain worship, causing people to deny the Lord, contradicts the nature of God, changing the way of salvation, altering God’s word, causing one to remain outside of Christ, rejects the truth about something salvific, or errs from the truth, etc etc...then we can believe it.

While my understanding on certain things is far from perfect, what I do know is founded on the word of truth. Thankfully, salvation is not based on perfect knowledge or else no one would be saved. Rather than being judged on our knowledge in our studies, we are judged on our faithfulness and growth of a Christian.

A good rule of thumb is that interpretations that cause theological heresy in belief or sins in practice are to be avoided. Beneath that, it is more open to judgment.

Since sin is what causes us to have iniquities and iniquities causes us to be separated from God (Is. 59:2), a doctrine that would cause one to be separated from Him if persisted in, would be one that would either condone sin, cause one to live in sin, or believe something sinful.

An amazing thing might happen when you make it your goal to listen well and to understand what someone’s saying: You might find out you’re wrong. Instead of getting angry when this occurs, view it as a blessing and a chance to deepen your humility and grow in understanding.

Instead of automatically assuming something about what someone believes (unless you’ve studied to know it’s what they believe) and crawl down their necks, it would be better if asked “What do you exactly mean?”, “Could you tell me more about that?”
One heretical belief is loss of eternal salvation. Another is working for salvation.