Testing gift of prophecy on christianchat.

[Snackersmom]

The verse is clear...my sheep hear my voice. While my personal experience is that I generally hear His voice in connection to His word, this is not the extent of the hearing I have experienced. I have heard His voice in the words of others as well as His still small voice.

The hearing being spoken of is not audible hearing, but involves not only content but understanding and knowledge.

Hi Cameron! Debating if I should jump into this thread or not! But I think probly not! 🤐 Anyways, something I wanted to tell you and it's connected to the current topic:

I have a real-life situation that I was wanting direction from God about. It was a complicated situation and just reading the Bible wasn't going to tell me what I needed to know. It was a topic that I take seriously and did not want to be reckless about. Anyway....

Had been praying for direction and I had a dream where I posted on CC asking for advice. The only response I remember reading was yours. But it told me what I needed to know. Was later talking to a Christian friend about it and they said the same thing you did in the dream. So I am proceeding with optimistic caution 😎.

Anyways, thought it was cool and wanted to let you know! 😁

 

[Genez]

The gift of prophesy ceased.
And, as predicted by Peter,.
Afterward, counterfeits arose.

But, note how Peter switches words midstream, and refused to say there will be any prophets among them.
For Peter knew what Paul had said about the gift of prophesy ceasing!
Peter's congregation therefore were also aware that there would be no more prophets!

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But there were also false prophets among the people, ​

even as there will be false teachers among you. 2 Pet 2:1a​

Peter and his flock would not have been deceived if someone claimed to be a prophet,
having known full well that Paul's teachings warned that the gift of prophesy would cease!

So, if anyone wanted to deceive Peter's flock in their near future?
Someone would have to sneak in as a teacher, not as a prophet!

See!

But there were also false prophets among the people, ​

even as there will be false teachers among you.​

No more prophets were expected to be seen!

 

[Cameron143]

Like these believers who heard his voice, and did not come back?

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If you see any brother or sister commit a sin that does not lead to death, you should pray ​

and God will give them life. I refer to those whose sin does not lead to death. ​

There is a sin that leads to death. I am not saying that you should pray about that. 1 Jn 5:16​

All believers initially hear His voice, and all followed Jesus into salvation.
But, some who are saved may later refuse to keep following, and suffer the sin unto death.

After all?
You said: All sheep hear Jesus' voice and follow Him.

If you did not choose the word 'all,' I would not have mentioned how, in that case it could only apply to all.
Which is... Follow onto salvation. For all who believe have followed Him onto salvation. But not all the saved
continue to hear his voice! Some die the sin onto death.

capeesh?
..............

Another aspect of being a sheep is that they are given eternal life and shall never perish. Anyone who ends up perishing cannot have been sheep.

 

[Genez]

No where in the verse does it say they are continually hearing His voice or are continually following. It merely says His sheep hear His voice and follow Him.

It is the nature of sheep to stray. Hence, the comparison.

Your problem was when you said all his sheep will hear his voice and follow him.
And, you still refuse to acknowledge your error.

What you said is dangerous because it misleads certain ones to think they can not make mistakes.
And, the woods are filled with them.


Did you hear his voice telling you to admit you were wrong?

 

[sawdust]

ok I see well that verse doesn't imply any of that though, can you show me a verse that specifically says there arte no more prophets or prophecies?

I see. You won't think with what the word says when shown but if someone claiming to be a prophet comes along and says 'So says the Lord... " you will entertain they may be correct?

I think we are done sir. If you think buildings are made of continuous foundations, I don't know what else to say. That prophets were for one time and purpose is exactly what that verse implies.

Have a good one.

 

[lrs68]

We've proven by a list of first hand Church Fathers closest to the Apostles claimed no gift ends until Jesus returns. Judgement Day is going to be eye opening for some here.

 

[lrs68]

 

[sawdust]

No where in the verse does it say they are continually hearing His voice or are continually following.

Precisely, so to use "my sheep hear my voice" as if that is how the Lord works while we are following Him is out of context. Yet this is exactly how people want to keep using it all the time. The verse is not applicable to following, it is only applicable within the context of gathering his sheep together so they can follow.

 

[Cameron143]

Why do you always jump out from behind some tree and distract away from important things being said?
Who hired you to do that? Who would want to distract away?

Whose voice are you hearing?

U go figure that one out.

You don't have to respond to my posts if that's how you feel.

Not only do Jesus' voice, I follow Him, and know Him and am known of Him.

Here's a question for you: why does someone who professes to be a Christian and for a long period of time, exhibit so little of the fruit of the Spirit?

 

[sawdust]

No. The context is both going in and being led forth. John 10:9...go in and out, and find pasture.

Yes, gathering them in order to lead so they can follow, it is not to be used as the way He leads or how we follow, that is out of context.

 

[Blain]

I see. You won't think with what the word says when shown but if someone claiming to be a prophet comes along and says 'So says the Lord... " you will entertain they may be correct?

I think we are done sir. If you think buildings are made of continuous foundations, I don't know what else to say. That prophets were for one time and purpose is exactly what that verse implies.

Have a good one.

if you cannot provide concrete evidence then why would I accept your view? no one is to just blindly follow anyone claiming to be a prophet the only reason I am in accord with brass pen is because I have recieved this same message several times you speak so highly of doctrine and logic but cannot back it up with doctrine can you or can you not provide scripture that says that prophecy has ceased and so has the prophets if you cannot then why should I or anyone else listyen to you especially with your view on hearing his voice that honestly astounds me.

You cvan know the scriptures by heart and believe your in sound doctrine but you don't know his voice that is very concerning.

I am neither side of the coin I believe in standing in his word but I also am open to the spiritual aspect of him and his church as well I like balance you can know the scriptures but be dry in the spirit or you can be very spiritual but not sound in scripture I see problems with both sides

 

[Kroogz]

Broken in the Bible means able to be molded according to how God wants to use me.

It's refreshing to see you admit that you are non compliant to God because no one should be taking anything you post as wisdom to live by.

It's like separating the tares from the Wheat in this thread.

Well. Get yourself molded. Some of us have. Be a Berean.

 

[Cameron143]

Hi Cameron! Debating if I should jump into this thread or not! But I think probly not! 🤐 Anyways, something I wanted to tell you and it's connected to the current topic:

I have a real-life situation that I was wanting direction from God about. It was a complicated situation and just reading the Bible wasn't going to tell me what I needed to know. It was a topic that I take seriously and did not want to be reckless about. Anyway....

Had been praying for direction and I had a dream where I posted on CC asking for advice. The only response I remember reading was yours. But it told me what I needed to know. Was later talking to a Christian friend about it and they said the same thing you did in the dream. So I am proceeding with optimistic caution 😎.

Anyways, thought it was cool and wanted to let you know! 😁

Thanks for the encouragement.

This is generally a hotly debated topic, especially in America, because of all the abuses that have taken place in the name of God. But we can still be encouraged by what the word of God does allow for. But if you do jump in, fasten the armor tightly.

 

[Blain]

You don't have to respond to my posts if that's how you feel.

Not only do Jesus' voice, I follow Him, and know Him and am known of Him.

Here's a question for you: why does someone who professes to be a Christian and for a long period of time, exhibit so little of the fruit of the Spirit?

oh dang nailed it well said

 

[lrs68]

Well. Get yourself molded. Some of us have. Be a Berean.

If you were a true Berean then the truth would be obvious within your posts.

Tell me something, how many people will meet you in Heaven, should you make it there, and say Thank You for leading me to God?

 

[Cameron143]

Your problem was when you said all his sheep will hear his voice and follow him.
And, you still refuse to acknowledge your error.

What you said is dangerous because it misleads certain ones to think they can not make mistakes.
And, the woods are filled with them.


Did you hear his voice telling you to admit you were wrong?

The statement is unambiguous...my sheep hear my voice. Unequivocally, if His sheep hear His voice, then every sheep that is His is included in this hearing.

 

[sawdust]

if you cannot provide concrete evidence then why would I accept your view? no one is to just blindly follow anyone claiming to be a prophet the only reason I am in accord with brass pen is because I have recieved this same message several times you speak so highly of doctrine and logic but cannot back it up with doctrine can you or can you not provide scripture that says that prophecy has ceased and so has the prophets if you cannot then why should I or anyone else listyen to you especially with your view on hearing his voice that honestly astounds me.

You cvan know the scriptures by heart and believe your in sound doctrine but you don't know his voice that is very concerning.

I am neither side of the coin I believe in standing in his word but I also am open to the spiritual aspect of him and his church as well I like balance you can know the scriptures but be dry in the spirit or you can be very spiritual but not sound in scripture I see problems with both sides

It is your assumption I don't know His voice. I have already said how I hear His voice.

I have supplied the scriptures mate. I can't make you understand them. Others can see what you can't.

There is a saying .. "he who walks down the middle of the road is liable to be hit by both sides of the traffic."

Have a nice day

 

[Snackersmom]

Thanks for the encouragement.

This is generally a hotly debated topic, especially in America, because of all the abuses that have taken place in the name of God. But we can still be encouraged by what the word of God does allow for. But if you do jump in, fasten the armor tightly.

No worries! When I read your response in the dream I remember noting that you display the fruit of the Spirit, which is my top qualification for accepting advice from a person 😎.

And haha I'll be OK if I jump in, I don't offend easily but sometimes my sass doesn't want to stay in check 😬.

Y'know...... I wonder how many people here are aware of the ACTUAL definition of prophesy (like, what the word literally means), and how it doesn't necessarily have anything to do with foretelling future events? 🤔

 

[Cameron143]

Precisely, so to use "my sheep hear my voice" as if that is how the Lord works while we are following Him is out of context. Yet this is exactly how people want to keep using it all the time. The verse is not applicable to following, it is only applicable within the context of gathering his sheep together so they can follow.

If it includes both going in and going out, by simple reasoning, it does not mean simply going in. The sheep also hear and follow when out.
This is actually what eternal life consists in. An ongoing interplay between Shepherd and sheep is necessary to abiding in Christ.

 

[Blain]

No worries! When I read your response in the dream I remember noting that you display the fruit of the Spirit, which is my top qualification for accepting advice from a person 😎.

And haha I'll be OK if I jump in, I don't offend easily but sometimes my sass doesn't want to stay in check 😬.

Y'know...... I wonder how many people here are aware of the ACTUAL definition of prophesy (like, what the word literally means), and how it doesn't necessarily have anything to do with foretelling future events? 🤔

prophecy means of interpreting the will of God