Mark 16:17-16:20 The witnesses are not doing it.

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Brasspen

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One reason so many people get envolved into things like wicca, is because of the witnesses today are not doing the following.

Mark 16:17- 16:20;
{16:17} And these signs shall follow them that believe; In
my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with
new tongues; {16:18} They shall take up serpents; and if
they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall
lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
{16:19} So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he
was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of
God. {16:20} And they went forth, and preached every
where, the Lord working with [them,] and confirming the
word with signs following. Amen.
 
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Miracles/signs confirmed the messenger and the message (Ex. 4:8-9; Mk. 16:20; Heb. 2:14).

It’s not because they aren’t doing them, but because they can’t do them.
After the cross, those gifts were limited to when the supernatural miraculous gifts were available to receive, either by Holy Spirit baptism (which happened to the apostles of Christ on Pentecost, Acts 2:1-4) or by having an apostle lay hands on someone (Acts 8:14-18; Acts 19:6).

The Holy Spirit was distributing/dividing to every man severally as he will. (1 Cor. 12:11). The gifts of the Holy Spirit were supernatural and miraculous (1 Cor. 12), and were being distributed by the Spirit (1 Cor. 12:11) when an apostle laid hands on a Christian (Acts 8 and 19).

We see this in Acts 8 with the people of Samaria and in Acts 19 with the about twelve disciples. In both cases, they had been water baptized, then after, an apostle laid hands on them so they could receive the Holy Spirit—referring to the miraculous spiritual gifts. When they received the Spirit, about 12 in Ephesus spake with tongues and prophesied.

No man today has the ability to lay hands on people to impart spiritual gifts, as that was something that the Apostles of Christ had the ability to do in the ongoing miraculous age of the New Testament (Rom. 1:11). Since no one today qualifies for the office of an apostle (Acts 1:20-22), and since all the apostles are deceased, then it follows no one can receive the Holy Spirit in terms of the miraculous/supernatural/spiritual gifts that were once available.

That is how we can conclude it took an Apostle to lay hands on people and then the Spirit would distribute/give the gifts per Acts 8, 19, 1 Cor. 12:11. (A case could possibly be made for Ananias in Acts 9), but beyond the apostles who else had the authority/power to? It is the Holy Spirit who gives the gifts and we find He did that when an apostle laid hands on believers. Is there another verse where it teaches how one receives gifts today from the Spirit a different way other than what the Bible already teaches? Please provide a BCV that teaches how He does that in a different way than what we read in the Bible that is applicable for us today in the NT.

Back then, people needed something to show that what they were preaching and saying was the truth. God gave witness to them through miracles that what they were saying was the truth. This is the purpose of miracles. Notice also Hebrews 2:3,4 “How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him; God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?” The words which were first spoken were confirmed by God bearing witness to the words. How did He do this? Through signs and wonders and divers miracles and gifts of the Holy Ghost. This is how the words of the apostles and prophets were confirmed–proved to be God’s truth. We have the completely revealed word of God today in the Bible. It was confirmed by the resurrection of Jesus from the dead and by the miracles that the apostles performed and is a historical document. We have no more need to have it confirmed today.
 

Brasspen

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You are wrong about it. It's being done till this day. I have had witness of it. I have had miracles done in me. I have also done miracles. God the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. I am sorry you never have been able to see it. But it's real.

When God moves inside you, you know it. God is not dead, he lives.
You are an example perfect for what I started this forum post for. The witnesses are not doing their job.
 

Brasspen

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Jesus Christ came for the whole world, so that the whole world might be saved through him. He does this by the Holy Spirit.
 
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You are wrong about it. It's being done till this day. I have had witness of it. I have had miracles done in me. I have also done miracles. God the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. I am sorry you never have been able to see it. But it's real.

When God moves inside you, you know it. God is not dead, he lives.
You are an example perfect for what I started this forum post for. The witnesses are not doing their job.
No you have not.
 

Brasspen

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Believer08, if you church is not casting out devils, and healing people, GET OUT. Find God. it's a dead church. You might have to leave people behind to do it.
 

Brasspen

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When you have a devil cast out of you, you will know it, and know the power of God.
 
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I have had miracles done in me. I have also done miracles.
You have not had that done. How did you receive your abilities in a different way than the early Christians did? What makes you so special that you were able to receive them a different way? What miracles did you do, where, and on who? Please give me the location and the name of the individual so I can verify it. If you have this ability, then you should be out showing the world.
 
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When you have a devil cast out of you, you will know it, and know the power of God.
No one has casted a devil out of you today as no one has that ability anymore. Why did they receive this ability different than the early Christians?
 

Brasspen

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Your not believing in God right now. When a devil comes out of you, you will feel how nasty it is. And you will be thankful to God for getting it out. You have unbelief happening.
 

Brasspen

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the devil is using you to attack me.
 
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Your not believing in God right now. When a devil comes out of you, you will feel how nasty it is. And you will be thankful to God for getting it out. You have unbelief happening.
That’s what you say when you can’t defend your belief. You decide to accuse me of something because you are relying on your emotions instead of truth. We are done here.
 

Brasspen

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that's the last one, I am putting you on ignore. Your calling God a liar.
 

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One reason so many people get envolved into things like wicca, is because of the witnesses today are not doing the following.

Mark 16:17- 16:20;
{16:17} And these signs shall follow them that believe; In
my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with
new tongues; {16:18} They shall take up serpents; and if
they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall
lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
{16:19} So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he
was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of
God. {16:20} And they went forth, and preached every
where, the Lord working with [them,] and confirming the
word with signs following. Amen.
Seeking after signs and wonders is fraught with danger. Jesus warned that there would be signs and wonders to deceive the elect. Matthew 24:24. The reason the occult is so popular is that people seek to know the future and seek power that they do not have in themselves. The problem is the same as in Eden. People turn to an illegal source instead of Christ who is the life.

Jesus said, “A wicked and adulterous generation demands a sign, but none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah."

I'm all for miracles, but some turn it into a circus performance. I've watched a preacher literally hypnotise another preacher in the name of a "new move of the Holy Spirit". It was a spirit but far from holy. And yes, I do know what I am talking about.

There is a cult in Australia that says you are not saved if you do not speak in tongues. My response is something like, OK drink some poison and show us that you are really saved.

Many Christians seek a short cut to spiritual maturity. There is none. The most gifted church in the NT, Corinth, was also the least mature.

The answer is to preach the gospel and let the Holy Spirit bring conviction of sin. I've prayed for people and they were healed instantly. I've prayed for others and they got worse. Healing is not black and white. Even Paul suffered a physical ailment.

Jesus said it is the truth that sets us free. And truth is the last thing on the minds of some. Some churches don't even bother preaching. Many Christians have not read the Bible let alone studied it in depth. So they stay spiritual babies.
 

birdie

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One reason so many people get envolved into things like wicca, is because of the witnesses today are not doing the following.

Mark 16:17- 16:20;
{16:17} And these signs shall follow them that believe; In
my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with
new tongues; {16:18} They shall take up serpents; and if
they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall
lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
{16:19} So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he
was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of
God. {16:20} And they went forth, and preached every
where, the Lord working with [them,] and confirming the
word with signs following. Amen.
Thanks Brasspen, for mentioning this piece of scripture:

"And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God. And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen. "

It might truly be sad if you are looking around for these sorts of things and cannot find them occurring. There might be a couple of reasons a person might feel this way about the verse. First, there might not be enough conversion to Christ in a given area to allow such deliverance to been seen. This is a sad thing as true believers usually hope for people to be healed and delivered. Also, the lack of true believers a person has contact with might limit their own experience in this regard. However, in many cases, I think, a lack of understanding what the scripture is really saying might affect how a person perceives what is happening as they view things. In my mind, these verses are highlighting people being converted to Christ more than anything else. I see this as something that is happening.

Understanding the true meaning of a verse is important. For example, there is a group of people in the eastern USA that supposedly handles rattlesnakes based on the verse above that says, 'They shall take up serpents'. This highlights the problem with how people think about the scripture you mention, as with how they think about any scripture. The problem is simply that many persons do not interpret the scripture correctly. A reason this occurs is often because they do not receive the words which the Bible speaks in Psalm 78, when God tells us that scripture is written in parable form: "Give ear, O my people, to my law: incline your ears to the words of my mouth. I will open my mouth in a parable "

If the scripture is understood to be in parable form, then surface words like serpents, drink, new tongues, sick, and so forth, may be talking about a deeper interpreted meaning than just the surface words. People may think they should be seeing someone picking up rattlesnakes when really the scripture might mean something else. Personally, I think that there are still persons hearing the word being preached and believing. The Lord is still working with his gospel, such that people are still coming to believe in the Lord. As the verse you are highlighting says: "they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word". As soon as a person believes, they begin to speak from that belief. This, in my opinion, is the 'new tongues' that is spoken of here. Before they believed, they did not have new things to speak, they just spoke about things from their old perspective. Once they believe, they begin to speak of trusting God, and they thank God, and so forth. They share about Jesus and care about others in what they say. These are what the term 'new tongues' is getting at. This sort of thing is still happening. At the very least, if you believe, it can happen for you.
 

Brasspen

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Jesus christ said he is going to make me a witness. I don't know if I will do it from church or something else...
 
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Miracles/signs confirmed the messenger and the message (Ex. 4:8-9; Mk. 16:20; Heb. 2:14).

It’s not because they aren’t doing them, but because they can’t do them.
After the cross, those gifts were limited to when the supernatural miraculous gifts were available to receive, either by Holy Spirit baptism (which happened to the apostles of Christ on Pentecost, Acts 2:1-4) or by having an apostle lay hands on someone (Acts 8:14-18; Acts 19:6).

The Holy Spirit was distributing/dividing to every man severally as he will. (1 Cor. 12:11). The gifts of the Holy Spirit were supernatural and miraculous (1 Cor. 12), and were being distributed by the Spirit (1 Cor. 12:11) when an apostle laid hands on a Christian (Acts 8 and 19).

We see this in Acts 8 with the people of Samaria and in Acts 19 with the about twelve disciples. In both cases, they had been water baptized, then after, an apostle laid hands on them so they could receive the Holy Spirit—referring to the miraculous spiritual gifts. When they received the Spirit, about 12 in Ephesus spake with tongues and prophesied.

No man today has the ability to lay hands on people to impart spiritual gifts, as that was something that the Apostles of Christ had the ability to do in the ongoing miraculous age of the New Testament (Rom. 1:11). Since no one today qualifies for the office of an apostle (Acts 1:20-22), and since all the apostles are deceased, then it follows no one can receive the Holy Spirit in terms of the miraculous/supernatural/spiritual gifts that were once available.

That is how we can conclude it took an Apostle to lay hands on people and then the Spirit would distribute/give the gifts per Acts 8, 19, 1 Cor. 12:11. (A case could possibly be made for Ananias in Acts 9), but beyond the apostles who else had the authority/power to? It is the Holy Spirit who gives the gifts and we find He did that when an apostle laid hands on believers. Is there another verse where it teaches how one receives gifts today from the Spirit a different way other than what the Bible already teaches? Please provide a BCV that teaches how He does that in a different way than what we read in the Bible that is applicable for us today in the NT.

Back then, people needed something to show that what they were preaching and saying was the truth. God gave witness to them through miracles that what they were saying was the truth. This is the purpose of miracles. Notice also Hebrews 2:3,4 “How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him; God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?” The words which were first spoken were confirmed by God bearing witness to the words. How did He do this? Through signs and wonders and divers miracles and gifts of the Holy Ghost. This is how the words of the apostles and prophets were confirmed–proved to be God’s truth. We have the completely revealed word of God today in the Bible. It was confirmed by the resurrection of Jesus from the dead and by the miracles that the apostles performed and is a historical document. We have no more need to have it confirmed today.
How would the people in 2024 be convinced of the apostle's miracles? I can read of miracles done by voodoo priests, should I become a voodoo practicioner? Of course not.
 
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How would the people in 2024 be convinced of the apostle's miracles? I can read of miracles done by voodoo priests, should I become a voodoo practicioner? Of course not.
I’m not sure about those in 2024, but in 2025, it would be the same way I or any other person was convinced of their miracles. Since faith comes by hearing the word (Rom. 10:17), then when one has faith in the word of God, they will have faith based on the evidence that is recorded in the scriptures of them. For the good and honest, noble heart (Lk. 8:15), they will accept that.

The “miracles” you read of voodoo priests aren’t miracles at all, but rather frauds. You cannot compare fake miracles with the genuine miracles that the apostles and early Christians had. Voodoo priests didn’t receive the ability to do miracles. They are shams. Plus, the “miracles” that these frauds such as voodooist have today aren’t for the same purpose as the ones that are recorded in the Bible. You are comparing apples and oranges. One was for confirming the word of God, the other is usually for monetary gain or to create a cult like following. Big difference.