Will different views on the end times cause one to go to hell?

[Inquisitor]

All these other Christians who did not live through the tribulation and the mark how blessed they were indeed, but this last group wow they get tossed in the Lake of Fire.

Who knew being born at the wrong time could make your salvation oh so precarious.
The mark and tribulation has already occurred so thankfully I do not have to see salvation as some revolving door.

Christ Jesus did state "you" 23 times in the Olivet Discourse. It would seem then that "you" does not really mean "you."

I have pondered that question myself.

Obviously, the worst time in history for anyone to be born.

Seems though to fit in the history of the world; there were good times and bad times.

There were times in history that no one would like to be born into.

For a Jew you would not want to be born before the Holocaust in Germany or Poland.

The Black Death, pandemic that ravaged Europe between 1347 and 1351, taking a proportionately greater toll
of life than any other known epidemic or war up to that time. Up to 75% of the population of Europe died
during that Black Death plague.

There were eras in human history when death and suffering came knocking.

Not sure how many were saved during those catastrophes.

As for the Olivet Discourse I don't think you read it properly.

 

[Inquisitor]

So you rely on yourself for salvation?

Perhaps dig deeper and think about what is denied, do you really thing it is the gift of salvation.

I am amazed that you can turn around and say that I am saving myself.

That is, after I quoted the passage below.

Romans 10:9-10
That if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead,
you will be saved; for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses,
resulting in salvation.

I stated that Jesus is the reason we are saved.

Then I said that we must endure in our faith against the onslaught.

You seem to think that you don't need to lift a finger, no works, no fruit.

God's does it all.

 

[wattie]

The Holy Spirit will convict a believer who falls into a sin. Just because hell isnt a consequence for a believer, doesn't mean there is no consequence. They could be kicked from their church, lose relationships, and God may end their life to stop their sin affecting others.



Can't believe I'm typing this..it's been covered over and over and over again.



Salvation is eternal, forever..the daily walk has conviction and teaching from Jesus.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

The Holy Spirit will convict a believer who falls into a sin. Just because hell isnt a consequence for a believer, doesn't mean there is no consequence. They could be kicked from their church, lose relationships, and God may end their life to stop their sin affecting others.



Can't believe I'm typing this..it's been covered over and over and over again.



Salvation is eternal, forever..the daily walk has conviction and teaching from Jesus.

A truly saved Christian living through the great tribulation will not take the mark. But people who think they are Christian but take the mark are not obeying God, not abiding in Him. This why the Bible says that there will be a great apostasy - a great falling away from the faith. Some will say they were never saved, but you can't fall away from nothing - this falling away is from faith in the Lord. Not because the Lord can't keep a person, but the person willfully walked away from God and His salvation work, since He doesn't take free will away.

The mark is more than just the ability to buy and sell, it is the mark of the beast over that person to show their allegiance is really with satan, just as the Holy Spirit is the seal over the Christian to show that their allegiance is to God.

All this will reveal itself to be true when the great tribulation comes if you don't believe what the Bible says about all this right now. Then we will all see among the Christians who will truly remain faithful to God, and who doesn't.

Probably on this here ChristianChat, we''re going to start finding excuses about why taking the mark of the beast will be safe.....


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[Hakawaka]

Probably not, but possibly.

If you are of the opinion that the mark of the beast is a past event and COULD NOT happen again in our future, you may end up taking it and going to hell.

 

[Evnt]

That may be a bit irrelevant and random.... But what is the mark of the beast?

I have started recently to read the Bible, i have heard about it, but it seems that i have not reached the spot where it says it 😅

Is it when someone denies Christ, and receives it? 🧐

 

[Inquisitor]

That may be a bit irrelevant and random.... But what is the mark of the beast?

I have started recently to read the Bible, i have heard about it, but it seems that i have not reached the spot where it says it 😅

Is it when someone denies Christ, and receives it? 🧐

Revelation 13,14,16,19, and 20.

 

[Evnt]

Revelation 13,14,16,19, and 20.

Thank you!!

 

[Adstar]

Person A doesn’t believe Premill, but Amill. Person B doesn’t believe Amill, but Premill. Person C doesn’t believe in neither, but postmill. Person D, believes in partial preterism, not full. Person E believes all prophecy has been fulfilled, EXCEPT the second coming of Christ and the things associated with it.

Which person is saved and which is lost? Does it matter which view one holds?

People are saved when they believe Jesus and trust in the atonement He secured for the forgiveness of their sins....

Varying views on the End times will probably affect those Christians in the end times with false views more then the Christians with the correct view.. Imagine how hard it will be for a pre-tribulation rapture believer when they are in the end times facing tribulation? But Hard is not impossible.. People who have strong Faith will be able to deal with what ever is thrown upon them through the empowering of the Holy Spirit..

 

[GWH]

Person A doesn’t believe Premill, but Amill. Person B doesn’t believe Amill, but Premill. Person C doesn’t believe in neither, but postmill. Person D, believes in partial preterism, not full. Person E believes all prophecy has been fulfilled, EXCEPT the second coming of Christ and the things associated with it.

Which person is saved and which is lost? Does it matter which view one holds?

No, the faith God requires for salvation to heaven includes five essential points, called the Gospel or Kerygma (preaching):

1. There is a/one all-loving and just Lord or God (DT 6:4, JN 3:16, 2THS 1:6), who is both able (2TM 1:12) and willing (1TM 2:3-4) to provide all morally accountable human beings salvation or heaven—a wonderful life full of love, joy and peace forever.
2. Human beings are selfish or sinful (RM 3:23, 2TM 3:2-4, CL 3:5), miserable (GL 5:19-21), and hopeless (EPH 2:12) or hell-bound at the judgment (MT 23:33 & 25:46) when they reject God’s salvation (JN 3:18, RM 2:5-11).
3. Jesus is God’s Messiah/Christ and incarnate Son, the way that God has chosen (JN 3:16, ACTS 16:30-31, PHP 2:9-11) of providing salvation by means of his atoning death on the cross for the payment of the penalty for the sins of humanity (RM 3:22-25 & 5:9-11), followed by his resurrection to reign in heaven (1CR 15:14-28).
4. Thus, every person/soul needs to repent and accept God in Jesus as Christ/Messiah the Lord or Supreme Commander (LK 2:11, JN 14:6, ACTS 16:31), which means trying to obey His commandment to love one another (MT 22:37-40, JN 13:35, RM 13:9)—forever (MT 10:22, PS 113:2).
5. Then God’s Holy Spirit will establish a saving relationship with those who freely accept Him (RV 3:20) that will eventually achieve heaven when by means of persevering in learning Truth/God’s Word everyone cooperates fully with His will (JN 14:6, 17&26, RM 8:6-17, GL 6:7-9, EPH 1:13-14, HB 10:36, 12:1, JM 1:2-4).

So, believing in a Judgment to heaven or hell is required, but knowing the timing is not.

 

[HeIsHere]

As for the Olivet Discourse I don't think you read it properly.

Rule #2: The second rule of hermeneutics is audience relevance.

This means that whatever a passage meant, or whatever words spoken in scripture meant, it meant or had direct application to the original intended audience. If we disengage the original audience from the scriptures then we can make any passage mean whatever we want, or make them apply to whomever we want.

 

[HeIsHere]

Your salvation is linked to that belief in Jesus; lose that belief, that trust in Jesus, then you lose
your salvation.

Does God provide a time frame, is it ....two decades, two years, two months, two weeks, two days, two hours, two minutes, two seconds...

Surely, God lets us know when He is going "unjustify" remove His sealing, cancel His deposit, break His promises, revoke His guarantee?
So far I have not found this plan of un-salvation in scripture?

 

[HeIsHere]

How about Noah? Was he unfortunate to have been born and live at the time the Flood was to take place - the worst devastation by water the world has ever known? Nothing like it has ever happened before or since.

If God was to set up or allow extremely devastating events at a specific period in time, wouldn't He have warned His People how to prepare to survive it? This is why God associated Noah and the Flood with Christians in the great tribulation.

God instructed Noah EXACTLY how to survive the Flood - build an ark specific to God's measurements, materials and design and to fill it with his family and creatures He wants to survive the Flood.

But if Noah hadn't obeyed God's instructions to the letter, Noah, his family and land animals would NOT have survived. So it is with the Christians born to live through the great tribulation. Anyone who wants to survive the great tribulation with their salvation intact, will obey God's instruction to endure in Him to the end even unto death.


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"with their salvation intact"

You deny yourself what God has offered, we all make our choices and the are consequences for what we believe.
You are in the end saving yourself.

13But the one who perseveres to the end will be saved.

Clearly not a reference to "spiritual salvation" in context but physical salvation because we do not and never will save ourselves spiritually we cannot add to the works of Christ Jesus.

 

[Inquisitor]

Does God provide a time frame, is it ....two decades, two years, two months, two weeks, two days, two hours, two minutes, two seconds...

Surely, God lets us know when He is going "unjustify" remove His sealing, cancel His deposit, break His promises, revoke His guarantee?
So far I have not found this plan of un-salvation in scripture?

Your claiming that a person cannot fall away from that belief in Jesus, for their salvation.

 

[Inquisitor]

Rule #2: The second rule of hermeneutics is audience relevance.

This means that whatever a passage meant, or whatever words spoken in scripture meant, it meant or had direct application to the original intended audience. If we disengage the original audience from the scriptures then we can make any passage mean whatever we want, or make them apply to whomever we want.

I try to read every letter in the N.T in context and adhere to scripture only.

Are you under the ten commandments in the way that Calvin was?

 

[Inquisitor]

Does God provide a time frame, is it ....two decades, two years, two months, two weeks, two days, two hours, two minutes, two seconds...

Surely, God lets us know when He is going "unjustify" remove His sealing, cancel His deposit, break His promises, revoke His guarantee?
So far I have not found this plan of un-salvation in scripture?

If you deny Jesus, He will deny you!

 

[Jimbone]

I don't think it plays any part in if we are saved or not, actually I know it doesn't. I've changed my position on this a few times, while saved, for sure. So I personally know and testify that it has no baring on if we are saved or not.

That said, I think it has a HUGE influence on how we see the world and approach it. If we feel the worlds just going to hell in a handbasket regardless, then you may be less incline to fight for things to be right in the world now. Just generally it makes sense. Maybe you don't want to bring children into this world, or plan for generational stability.

Where as if you believe that Jesus is seated on His throne now and MUST rule until every enemy his been put under His feet, you may think more "long term" and do crazy stuff like declare Him King right now, today, and have His victory over the world in your heart rather than evil beating the world first.

I feel that what we believe about end times plays a HUGE role on how we live as Christian as a whole, but do not think it plays any part at all in salvation. There are plenty of saved on every side of this debate.