Jesus' Resurrection gives life, not just His death

[greenonions]

I was once challenged a question along the lines of : if I die, and pay the penalty for my sin, am I free from guilt?

We know people die and they are still guilty, because they face the second death. So if Jesus died in our place, why don't we still have to face death? What's the difference?

My guess is that Jesus kept the law, so the promise of the Law (Lev 18:5) applies to Him that He will live. Hence, He resurrected, and we can live with Him.

Keep my decrees and laws, for the person who obeys them will live by them. I am the Lord. (Lev 18:5 NIV)

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Leviticus 18:5 isn't a promise, it's a statement that in order to keep the law one have to live the law, ie keep every commandment.

Jesus is sinless, so death was not able to hold him.

Jesus made a covenant with Israel into which we are grafted. In a blood covenant everything that one party has becomes the other party's, and vice versa. So Christ received the penalty for our sins, which he paid for with his life, and we received his righteousness. Therefore, we were effectively judged and put to death in him, and are joined to him in unending life through his resurrection

 

[greenonions]

Leviticus 18:5 isn't a promise, it's a statement that in order to keep the law one have to live the law, ie keep every commandment.

I picked Leviticus 18:5 because it is quoted in Galatians 3:12 as getting life through faith vs getting life through the law. And also, Galatians 3:21 seems to continue this thought of a law that coud have given life. Hence, I interpreted it as a promise. Jesus also said something similar about getting eternal life by keeping the commandments in Matthew 19:16-17.

11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.” 12 The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.” ... 21 Is the law, therefore, opposed to the promises of God? Absolutely not! For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law. (Galatians 3:11-12, 21 NIV)

16 Just then a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?”
17 “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.” (Matthew 19:16-17 NIV)

Jesus is sinless, so death was not able to hold him.

Yes, Jesus is sinless (Heb. 4:15). And yes, death was not able to hold him (Acts 2:24). Based on which Bible verse do you say that death could not hold him BECAUSE Jesus is sinless?

Jesus made a covenant with Israel into which we are grafted. In a blood covenant everything that one party has becomes the other party's, and vice versa. So Christ received the penalty for our sins, which he paid for with his life, and we received his righteousness. Therefore, we were effectively judged and put to death in him, and are joined to him in unending life through his resurrection

Agreed. Thanks for your response.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Yes, Jesus is sinless (Heb. 4:15). And yes, death was not able to hold him (Acts 2:24). Based on which Bible verse do you say that death could not hold him BECAUSE Jesus is sinless?

Death's only hold on man is through sin. No sin, no ability (power) to hold

Through this, even as sin entered into the world through one man, and death through sin, also in this way death came to all men upon all who sinned. Romans 5:12​

 

[GWH]

I was once challenged a question along the lines of : if I die, and pay the penalty for my sin, am I free from guilt?

We know people die and they are still guilty, because they face the second death. So if Jesus died in our place, why don't we still have to face death? What's the difference?

My guess is that Jesus kept the law, so the promise of the Law (Lev 18:5) applies to Him that He will live. Hence, He resurrected, and we can live with Him.

Keep my decrees and laws, for the person who obeys them will live by them. I am the Lord. (Lev 18:5 NIV)

Jesus went beyond keeping the Mosaic laws (MT 5:20-22, 27-28, etc.); He fulfilled the sacrificial laws (MT 5:17-18) and replaced the moral laws with the fruit of the Holy Spirit (MT 15:6-11). His death paid the penalty for humanity's sins (HB 1:3, 2:9&17), and His resurrection proved the truth of the Gospel (1CR 15:14).

 

[studentoftheword]

I was once challenged a question along the lines of : if I die, and pay the penalty for my sin, am I free from guilt?

This statement here you make
if I die, and pay the penalty for my sin, am I free from guilt?

You can't pay the penalty for your sin ----you don't go to the Lake of Fire for any sins you commit ---You go there cause you Rejected Jesus who paid the penalty for your sins ----

There are no second chances when you die ----your fate is sealed here in this Physical world ----accept Jesus in your heart and have eternal life ---Reject Jesus and your doomed to the 2nd death -----

Salvation is for the here and now FOLKS-----Jesus shed His Blood to cover all sin for all people for all time -----we have free will to choose to Born Again or Reject it ----

So to be saved now you have to Receive Jesus as your Lord and Saviour -----so if one rejects receiving Jesus as their Lord and Saviour in the here and now then when they die they cannot go back and receive Jesus and become born again ----they already rejected Jesus in this Physical world so they are doomed to the Second death ----which is being eternally separated from God forever -----

They remain Guilty of Rejecting the only Person who could save who is ------Jesus

We choose our own destiny -----by our own free choices ------

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I was once challenged a question along the lines of : if I die, and pay the penalty for my sin, am I free from guilt?

We know people die and they are still guilty, because they face the second death. So if Jesus died in our place, why don't we still have to face death? What's the difference?

My guess is that Jesus kept the law, so the promise of the Law (Lev 18:5) applies to Him that He will live. Hence, He resurrected, and we can live with Him.

Keep my decrees and laws, for the person who obeys them will live by them. I am the Lord. (Lev 18:5 NIV)

Jesus is the mediator of a new and better covenant .

“For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also.

…The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭7:12, 18-19‬ ‭NIV‬‬

jesus wasn’t made perfect because he kept Moses law no one ever was perfect because they obeyed the law of Moses

But that law is for these folk

“We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭1:9-10‬ ‭NIV‬‬

jesus was none of those things the law was made and added in for sinful corrupt people who can’t live right

( question ) “Why, then, was the law given at all? ( answer ) It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. ( Jesus is the seed of promise ))

The law was given through angels and entrusted to a mediator.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:19‬ ‭NIV‬‬

ever notice how the law demands death ? It’s because it came through this angel rather then Christ the Son who forgives sin

““See, I am sending an angel ahead of you to guard you along the way and to bring you to the place I have prepared. Pay attention to him and listen to what he says. Do not rebel against him; he will not forgive your rebellion, since my Name is in him.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭23:20-21‬ ‭NIV‬‬

We can’t live under that law and it’s a death sentance for anyone to alter Moses words removing or adding to them . The solution is a New Testament law and mediator a new word that is better and brings us to God rather than scares us away for fear of death

Moses law isn’t our law , Christs law is the law

 

[homwardbound]

I was once challenged a question along the lines of : if I die, and pay the penalty for my sin, am I free from guilt?

We know people die and they are still guilty, because they face the second death. So if Jesus died in our place, why don't we still have to face death? What's the difference?

My guess is that Jesus kept the law, so the promise of the Law (Lev 18:5) applies to Him that He will live. Hence, He resurrected, and we can live with Him.

Keep my decrees and laws, for the person who obeys them will live by them. I am the Lord. (Lev 18:5 NIV)

Fulfilled, for us the people (All) to see it and stand in belief to it, Son did it in our place, it is done (John 19:30) So, new life in Father's Spirit and Truth can begin in us, free of charge forever, in thanksgiving and p[raise from me at least seeing this Psalm 100:4, 103:12, Ezekiel 36:26
The new life in the risen Christ, crushed Evil's head. For us to be new in God Father's Spirit and Truth, loving all, not just those that love us, love God's type to all 1 Cor 13:4-7, 13

 

[greenonions]

Death's only hold on man is through sin. No sin, no ability (power) to hold

Through this, even as sin entered into the world through one man, and death through sin, also in this way death came to all men upon all who sinned. Romans 5:12​

I think we agree on the same principle. You just disagree that Leviticus 18:5 has anything to do with it. Jesus' keeping of the law is the only way to show that He was sinless. And His obedience brought us life.

For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God’s abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!
Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people. For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous. (Romans 5:17-19 NIV)

 

[Magenta]

Romans 5:12 Ephesians 2:3 Just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, so also death was passed on to all men, because all sinned. We were by nature children of wrath.
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[greenonions]

This statement here you make
if I die, and pay the penalty for my sin, am I free from guilt?

You can't pay the penalty for your sin ----you don't go to the Lake of Fire for any sins you commit ---You go there cause you Rejected Jesus who paid the penalty for your sins ----

There are no second chances when you die ----your fate is sealed here in this Physical world ----accept Jesus in your heart and have eternal life ---Reject Jesus and your doomed to the 2nd death -----

Salvation is for the here and now FOLKS-----Jesus shed His Blood to cover all sin for all people for all time -----we have free will to choose to Born Again or Reject it ----

So to be saved now you have to Receive Jesus as your Lord and Saviour -----so if one rejects receiving Jesus as their Lord and Saviour in the here and now then when they die they cannot go back and receive Jesus and become born again ----they already rejected Jesus in this Physical world so they are doomed to the Second death ----which is being eternally separated from God forever -----

They remain Guilty of Rejecting the only Person who could save who is ------Jesus

We choose our own destiny -----by our own free choices ------

I agree with most of that. Someone else gave me the challenging idea. I don't think my original post was worded the best way.

 

[greenonions]

jesus wasn’t made perfect because he kept Moses law no one ever was perfect because they obeyed the law of Moses

But that law is for these folk

“We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭1:9-10‬ ‭NIV‬‬

jesus was none of those things the law was made and added in for sinful corrupt people who can’t live right

Jesus was under the law.

But when the set time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under the law, to redeem those under the law, that we might receive adoption to sonship (Gal. 4:4-5 NIV).

In bringing many sons and daughters to glory, it was fitting that God, for whom and through whom everything exists, should make the pioneer of their salvation perfect through what he suffered. (Hebrews 2:10)

Because he himself suffered when he was tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted. (Hebrews 2:18)

Son though he was, he learned obedience from what he suffered and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him (Hebrews 5:8-9)

 

[Gideon300]

I was once challenged a question along the lines of : if I die, and pay the penalty for my sin, am I free from guilt?

We know people die and they are still guilty, because they face the second death. So if Jesus died in our place, why don't we still have to face death? What's the difference?

My guess is that Jesus kept the law, so the promise of the Law (Lev 18:5) applies to Him that He will live. Hence, He resurrected, and we can live with Him.

Keep my decrees and laws, for the person who obeys them will live by them. I am the Lord. (Lev 18:5 NIV)

We are unable to pay the penalty for our sin. We are in effect spiritually bankrupt. That's why the innocent Jesus had to die and rise again. Those who are born again do not face the second death. We have accepted the death of Christ as our death. It's a choice everyone must make, new life in Christ or death in trespass and sin.

 

[brightfame52]

I was once challenged a question along the lines of : if I die, and pay the penalty for my sin, am I free from guilt?

We know people die and they are still guilty, because they face the second death. So if Jesus died in our place, why don't we still have to face death? What's the difference?

My guess is that Jesus kept the law, so the promise of the Law (Lev 18:5) applies to Him that He will live. Hence, He resurrected, and we can live with Him.

Keep my decrees and laws, for the person who obeys them will live by them. I am the Lord. (Lev 18:5 NIV)

Jesus did what He did as an substitute for His Sheep, Gods elect, His Body the Church, So His perfect obedient life unto the Law of God was for their benefit, also His Death for sin was for their benefit, and so was His Resurrection, hence everyone of His Sheep He died for, shall be made alive spiritually and eternally, through His Resurrection 1 Pet 1:3

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

 

[homwardbound]

I think we agree on the same principle. You just disagree that Leviticus 18:5 has anything to do with it. Jesus' keeping of the law is the only way to show that He was sinless. And His obedience brought us life.

For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God’s abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!
Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people. For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous. (Romans 5:17-19 NIV)

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