Gospel Confusion...

[Musicmaster]

Grace in the New Testament is a person -----Jesus is Grace -----


What is the gospel of the kingdom?
https://www.gotquestions.org/gospel-of-the-kingdom.html

The phrase gospel of the kingdom and references to “the kingdom of God” and “the kingdom of heaven” are used repeatedly in connection with the Lord Jesus and His work on earth. The word gospel simply means “good news,” and the term translated “kingdom” is the Greek word basileia, which means “the realm in which a sovereign king rules.” Throughout the New Testament, the word kingdom consistently refers to the rule of Christ in the hearts of believers, since, for the time being, Christ’s kingdom is not of this world (John 18:36).

When Jesus began His three-year earthly ministry, He preached that “the kingdom of God is near” (Luke 10:9; cf. Matthew 4:17). Mark 1:14–15 gives a concise description of Jesus’ primary focus during His time on earth: “Now after John was arrested, Jesus came into Galilee, proclaiming the gospel of God, and saying, ‘The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel.’” When asked to define His kingdom, Jesus explained it this way: “The kingdom of God is not coming in ways that can be observed. . . . The kingdom of God is in the midst of you” (Luke 17:20–21). Romans 14:17 says that the kingdom of God is a matter “of righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.”

The gospel of the kingdom is the good-news message of repentance, redemption, and restoration offered by God to all who will receive Christ.
Those who accept this offer become part of His eternal kingdom (John 1:12). Those who choose to remain in their sin cannot be a part of this kingdom (1 Corinthians 6:9–10; Galatians 5:19–21). Although grace makes this offer available to anyone who will receive it, Jesus warned that it would be very difficult to enter His kingdom and few would do so (Matthew 7:14).

The gospel of the kingdom is the news that there is freedom from our slavery to sin if we will repent and turn to God (Romans 6:18–19). Our Redeemer has come, but it is difficult to enter God’s kingdom, not because God requires impossible standards for us, but because we do not want to repent and change. We tend to love the darkness more than the Light (John 3:19). Many would rather cling to their old sinful identities than allow Jesus to create them anew (2 Corinthians 5:17).

Those who receive the gospel of the kingdom become citizens of heaven and are freed from bondage to this world (Galatians 4:3–9). Second Corinthians 5:20 refers to God’s children as “ambassadors” for our heavenly Father. Just as an earthly foreign ambassador retains his national identity when representing his country in another, the spiritual ambassadors of God’s kingdom owe their allegiance to God even as they reside in this world. We must follow our heavenly Father’s code of conduct while sojourners on earth. We need not conform to this world’s habits, values, and lifestyle, because this is not our home (Romans 12:1–2; 1 John 2:15–17).

Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world” (John 18:36). So, although we must live here until God calls us home, we are not to live for ourselves or according to this world’s value system. Those who have been bought by the blood of Jesus have been given the right to live according to God’s value system. Citizens of the kingdom of God live here on assignment from our Father the King. Living with a kingdom mindset empowers us to make wiser decisions as we invest our lives in furthering the gospel of the kingdom.

God's children have the promise of ruling and reigning with Christ in His future kingdom on earth. The song of praise sung by the twenty-four elders in heaven one day will include these lines:
“You were slain,
and with your blood you purchased for God
persons from every tribe and language and people and nation.
You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God,
and they will reign on the earth” (Revelation 5:9–10).

I hope you don't mind my observing that this seeming copy and paste article has loads of confusions and minsconceptions...so many that they're too numerous to address in one posting.

Suffice it to say that the Kingdom Gospel Peter preached after Pentecost was not the same Gospel preached by Paul. That alone shines a bright light on the massive confusion this article you posted has within its borders.

MM

 

[Blade]

how we ask matters here "What was their gospel message? ". Key word added "their"

Where did you get that because its not written.

When he tells them if someone preaches to you another gospel then what we preached to you. Is there salvation through any other
then Christ?

This thing has 5 pages and it should not.

 

[keepingthingsreal]

I'm not necessarily saying that believing you will be here through it is a matter of wanting to be here, but I do wonder just how much effort you have placed into exploring the errors of mid, pre-wrath or post tribulation rapture, resurrection, or whatever you may want to call it. Without enough effort, one must WANT to be here. Is that a proper assessment?

MM

I have prayerfully read the Bible from cover to cover many times, so I have put a lot of effort into rightly dividing God's word. In all my readings, I have not seen even a hint of anything that suggests anything but a post-tribulation rapture. Sure, I have heard all of the alleged proof texts to support other beliefs, but none of them hold up under even the tiniest bit of scrutiny. Anyhow, that is not the topic of this thread, nor is it a topic that I normally waste my time discussing with others on public forums.

 

[keepingthingsreal]

Suffice it to say that the Kingdom Gospel Peter preached after Pentecost was not the same Gospel preached by Paul.

May I sincerely ask you for one or two alleged differences between the two allegedly different gospels?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

how we ask matters here "What was their gospel message? ". Key word added "their"

Where did you get that because its not written.

When he tells them if someone preaches to you another gospel then what we preached to you. Is there salvation through any other
then Christ?

This thing has 5 pages and it should not.

Bro this whole post is about Paul preaching a different gospel from Jesus and all the other apostles preached. And only pauls special hidden gospel is able to save people not jesus and what he said and did but only what Paul said …….about what jesus did for us.

Everything everyone else said isn’t valid lol how can that not lead to at least five pages in a Bible discussion forum ? Read those five pages and you’ll be astounded lol

 

[John146]

It may not be a loaded question, but it most definitely is an assumptious question. In other words, you are assuming that you are properly interpreting your alleged proof text, and I do not believe that you are. Here is the text in question.

Luk 17:20
And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Luk 17:21
Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Who was Jesus talking to here? As the text clearly indicates, he was talking to the Pharisees. Do you honestly believe that Jesus was telling the Pharisees that the kingdom of God was within them or inside of them? Like it or not, they are the "you" to whom he was referring. If you do believe that the Pharisees had the kingdom of God within them, then God help you.

In reality, what Jesus actually said here was that the kingdom of God was "among them" or "in their midst" in the sense that they were presently conversing with the King of the kingdom himself. This not only agrees with the context, but this is also how many Bible translations translate this verse.

New International Version
nor will people say, ‘Here it is,’ or ‘There it is,’ because the kingdom of God is in your midst.”

New Living Translation
You won’t be able to say, ‘Here it is!’ or ‘It’s over there!’ For the Kingdom of God is already among you.”

English Standard Version
nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or ‘There!’ for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you.”

Berean Standard Bible
Nor will people say, ‘Look, here it is,’ or ‘There it is.’ For you see, the kingdom of God is in your midst.”

Berean Literal Bible
nor will they say, 'Behold here,' or 'There.' For behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst."

King James Bible
Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

New King James Version
nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you.”

New American Standard Bible
nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or, ‘There it is!’ For behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst.”

NASB 1995
nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or, ‘There it is!’ For behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst.”

NASB 1977
nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or, ‘There it is!’ For behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst.”

Legacy Standard Bible
nor will they say, ‘Look, here!’ or, ‘There!’ For behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst.”

Amplified Bible
nor will people say, ‘Look! Here it is!’ or, ‘There it is!’ For the kingdom of God is among you [because of My presence].”

Christian Standard Bible
no one will say, ‘See here! ’ or ‘There! ’ For you see, the kingdom of God is in your midst.”

Holman Christian Standard Bible
no one will say, ‘Look here!’ or ‘There!’ For you see, the kingdom of God is among you.”

American Standard Version
neither shall they say, Lo, here! or, There! for lo, the kingdom of God is within you.

Contemporary English Version
There is no use saying, 'Look! Here it is' or 'Look! There it is.' God's kingdom is here with you."

English Revised Version
neither shall they say, Lo, here! or, There! for lo, the kingdom of God is within you.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
They can't say, 'Here it is!' or 'There it is!' You see, the kingdom of God is within you."

Good News Translation
No one will say, 'Look, here it is!' or, 'There it is!'; because the Kingdom of God is within you."

International Standard Version
People won't be saying, 'Look! Here it is!' or 'There it is!' because now the kingdom of God is among you."

Majority Standard Bible
Nor will people say, ?Look, here it is,? or ?There it is.? For you see, the kingdom of God is in your midst.?

NET Bible
nor will they say, 'Look, here it is!' or 'There!' For indeed, the kingdom of God is in your midst."

New Heart English Bible
neither will they say, 'Look, here.' or, 'Look, there.' for the Kingdom of God is within you."

Webster's Bible Translation
Neither will they say, Lo here! or lo there! for behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Weymouth New Testament
Nor will they say, 'See here!' or 'See there!' --for the Kingdom of God is within you."

World English Bible
neither will they say, ‘Look, here!’ or, ‘Look, there!’ for behold, God’s Kingdom is within you.”

The answer is no, it cannot be taken by force. However, the kingdom of heaven can and has been taken by force,

 

[John146]

The end of literal Law, to love all sincerely from God's gift in risen Son, for all, for me at least
Hebrews 7:11-12
No more hybrid birthing to me a least, no more Mixing Law and grace, I see that, to me, is a gigantic mistake to me anyways, freed now in the liberty of the Law of Love, God's Love 1 cor 13:4-7
Have a great day and an everlasting future in God's love for us all y'all

Nope, the question Jesus was answering was this…

3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

 

[keepingthingsreal]

The answer is no, it cannot be taken by force. However, the kingdom of heaven can and has been taken by force,

Instead, the correct answer is that you went quote mining, and you pulled a verse totally out of its context. Then, you not only applied a wrong meaning to it, but you also used your wrong meaning to ask an imaginary question. Worst of all, you still refuse to acknowledge any of this. I am troubled for you, but you have your own free will, so what can I do to stop you?

 

[studentoftheword]

Suffice it to say that the Kingdom Gospel Peter preached after Pentecost was not the same Gospel preached by Paul. That alone shines a bright light on the massive confusion this article you posted has within its borders.

Your the one dazed and confused

about the Gospel

from Google
The good news of the gospel is the message of salvation through Jesus Christ. It is also known as the news of liberation from sin and estrangement from God. ---Also known as the Gospel of Grace ---who is Jesus Christ

Explanation

• The word "gospel" comes from the Greek word euangelion, which means "good news

People also ask

did St. Peter spread the good news?


Jesus trusted Peter with the keys of the Kingdom of heaven.
After being filled with the Holy Spirit on the first Pentecost,
St. Peter had all the gifts he needed to spread the Good News of the Gospel of Christ


From AI

Yes, the Apostle Paul preached the good news about Jesus Christ.

I say -------Peter preached the same Gospel after Pentecost ----- as Paul was teaching ----

Peter to the Jews ---Paul to the Gentiles--same Gospel --the one and only GOSPEL to all Humans ------

There is no Gospel CONFUSION ----Just confused blinded people by the god of this world ---SATAN

 

[John146]

Instead, the correct answer is that you went quote mining, and you pulled a verse totally out of its context. Then, you not only applied a wrong meaning to it, but you also used your wrong meaning to ask an imaginary question. Worst of all, you still refuse to acknowledge any of this. I am troubled for you, but you have your own free will, so what can I do to stop you?

If I went around preaching saying, “the kingdom of heaven is at hand“, could anyone be saved? Nope, not one.

 

[lrs68]

So, to whom did Jesus have His disciples preaching the Kingdom Gospel, and what was the content of that gospel?

Matthew 10:5-7
5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

No instruction about the cross, the death, burial and resurrection of Christ on the third day, ONLY that the kingdom of Heaven is at hand. The cross was not a part of the kingdom gospel, and for good reason, and yet some still claim they all preached the same gospel.

Why is that?

Mark 1:4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Is that what Paul preached as his gospel to Jews and Gentiles that was hidden in God since the foundation of the world, that had the demon princes known of it, that they would not have crucified the Lord of Glory?

1 Corinthians 2:6-8
6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

If Paul preached the same gospel as the eleven, then there's a problem:

Galatians 1:11-12
11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Paul knew very well what the eleven were preaching, for he persecuted the believing Jews and proselytes because of the doctrine of the Kingdom Gospel. To him and the other religious leadership in Israel, it was heretical. Otherwise, why was he persecuting them if he did not know what they were preaching?

But here in Galatians 1, we see him stating that what he received from Christ Jesus was not ever what other men had been teaching and preaching. If it's all the same, then, as stated, we have a serious problem here in the traditional dogmas of a singular gospel. Was Paul a liar? Who is it that we saw being correct for his hypocrisy? Was it Paul? No, it was Peter who was in error, corrected by Paul because the gospel Peter preached to Israel simply wasn't the same as what Paul preached to the Gentiles and believing Jews, all who lost their distinctions as Jew and Gentile in Christ Jesus.

Under the Kingdom Gospel preached by Jesus and the eleven, Gentiles were dogs!

Matthew 15:26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.

This, with many other things already quoted, such as not going to the Gentiles or even the Samaritans, clearly shows that the Kingdom Gospel is not the same as the Gospel of Grace.

Are you now beginning to see the problem in the confusing claim that it was all the same Gospel? Under the Kingdom Gospel, Gentiles were dogs, with no mention of the cross, the Blood, nothing apart from water baptism unto the remission of sins, which clearly is not true today under Paul's Gospel. Under the Gospel of Grace, all men can be saved and sealed by Holy Spirit, with there being absolutely no mention of that sealing under the Kingdom Gospel.

When one rightly divides the truth, he doesn't end up with truth from falsehood, but rather truth from truth, realizing what was written TO us and what was NOT.

MM

I must say this seems like you're pulling my legs type of propaganda.

Let me wrap my mind around this for a moment and break this down to a simple summation.

You believe because Paul didn't hear from the Disciples, who were taught directly by Yeshua that the truth he learned is different?

He heard this Gospel preached by Stephen, who would have heard it from the Disciples of Yeshua just before he was stoned to death.

Now it's possible that Paul was given deeper revelation to the Gospel because he taught in depth about conversion (Ephesians), the Gifts (Corinthians and other Letters including Romans), what happened to the Jews to open the door to the Gentiles, and much much more.

He started several Churches and we even know his Asia Minor Churches had to be fixed by the Apostle John and his own Disciples.

But I truly believe you some how have convinced yourself over something that doesn't exist at all.

 

[Musicmaster]

May I sincerely ask you for one or two alleged differences between the two allegedly different gospels?

Fair enough.

Here is the Gospel Peter preached:

Acts 2:37-38
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Here's the Gospel Paul preached:

1 Corinthians 15:1-4
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

Paul at no point in all his ministry taught water baptism for remission of sins. He knew very well the Kingdom Gospel, which is what he considered heresy as the thrust behind his persecution of the Jewish converts to the Kingdom Gospel and Christ. What Paul preached was not what he knew from what other men had taught, namely the eleven in Jerusalem:

Galatians 1:11-12
11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Paul knew of the Kingdom Gospel and its work of water baptism for remission of sins, and yet his Gospel given to him by Christ Jesus, it was not of what he already knew the eleven were preaching. Paul's Gospel was:

1 Corinthians 2:6-8
6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

So, if Paul's Gospel was the same as that which the other eleven in Jerusalem were preaching, then either he was guilty of omission, or he was a simplistic liar, or suffering from narcissism played out by his coming up with a gospel unknown to the eleven only to develop a following, because he clearly stated that what he preached came right from Christ Jesus, not from other men, whose message he already knew.

Perhaps not as brief as you wanted, but it strikes at the core of the issue that those who claim contextual violation have yet to show to us how that was perpetrated in these quotes.

MM

 

[John146]

Fair enough.

Here is the Gospel Peter preached:

Acts 2:37-38
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Here's the Gospel Paul preached:

1 Corinthians 15:1-4
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

Paul at no point in all his ministry taught water baptism for remission of sins. He knew very well the Kingdom Gospel, which is what he considered heresy as the thrust behind his persecution of the Jewish converts to the Kingdom Gospel and Christ. What Paul preached was not what he knew from what other men had taught, namely the eleven in Jerusalem:

Galatians 1:11-12
11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Paul knew of the Kingdom Gospel and its work of water baptism for remission of sins, and yet his Gospel given to him by Christ Jesus, it was not of what he already knew the eleven were preaching. Paul's Gospel was:

1 Corinthians 2:6-8
6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

So, if Paul's Gospel was the same as that which the other eleven in Jerusalem were preaching, then either he was guilty of omission, or he was a simplistic liar, or suffering from narcissism played out by his coming up with a gospel unknown to the eleven only to develop a following, because he clearly stated that what he preached came right from Christ Jesus, not from other men, whose message he already knew.

Perhaps not as brief as you wanted, but it strikes at the core of the issue that those who claim contextual violation have yet to show to us how that was perpetrated in these quotes.

MM

The gospel Paul preached was a mystery and had not been made known before, even by Jesus and his disciples.

Romans 16:
25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

 

[Musicmaster]

I must say this seems like you're pulling my legs type of propaganda.

Let me wrap my mind around this for a moment and break this down to a simple summation.

You believe because Paul didn't hear from the Disciples, who were taught directly by Yeshua that the truth he learned is different?

He heard this Gospel preached by Stephen, who would have heard it from the Disciples of Yeshua just before he was stoned to death.

Now it's possible that Paul was given deeper revelation to the Gospel because he taught in depth about conversion (Ephesians), the Gifts (Corinthians and other Letters including Romans), what happened to the Jews to open the door to the Gentiles, and much much more.

He started several Churches and we even know his Asia Minor Churches had to be fixed by the Apostle John and his own Disciples.

But I truly believe you some how have convinced yourself over something that doesn't exist at all.

Paul was painfully aware of what the other eleven preached, including Stephen. Paul persecuted them on the basis of the Kingdom Gospel they preached. He was well aware of what Jesus taught them, which is the basis of his persecution because of his considering that Gospel to be heresy...thus persecution. Please read what he stated about the Kingdom Gospel of Jesus and the eleven, and what Jesus gave to him:

Galatians 1:11-12
11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

It could not be more clear. Paul did not teach anyone to be water baptized unto the remission of sins. He preached only faith in the death, burial and resurrection on the third day of Christ Jesus, which is the basis for the grace of salvation. One cannot DO anything like water baptism to earn grace. That makes no sense, and is an utter defiance of the definition for grace if one can earn forgiveness of sins by anything they can DO in their own effort. It is a GIFT. How does one earn a gift? They can't. It's faith that brings about the bestowment of the grace of God as a gift.

Does that clarify the matter for you?

MM

 

[Musicmaster]

Your the one dazed and confused

about the Gospel

from Google
The good news of the gospel is the message of salvation through Jesus Christ. It is also known as the news of liberation from sin and estrangement from God. ---Also known as the Gospel of Grace ---who is Jesus Christ

Explanation

• The word "gospel" comes from the Greek word euangelion, which means "good news

People also ask

did St. Peter spread the good news?


Jesus trusted Peter with the keys of the Kingdom of heaven.
After being filled with the Holy Spirit on the first Pentecost,
St. Peter had all the gifts he needed to spread the Good News of the Gospel of Christ


From AI

Yes, the Apostle Paul preached the good news about Jesus Christ.

I say -------Peter preached the same Gospel after Pentecost ----- as Paul was teaching ----

Peter to the Jews ---Paul to the Gentiles--same Gospel --the one and only GOSPEL to all Humans ------

There is no Gospel CONFUSION ----Just confused blinded people by the god of this world ---SATAN

Whatever...

MM

 

[Seasons]

The Cross gave you salvation to be preached ----without the Cross ----your would not have a choice to choose Salvation -----there was only one choice ----Hell

No one could get into Heaven before the Cross ---all Jews and Gentiles were going to Hell ------there was only eternal Death ----which is the 2nd death ----eternal life came from what Jesus accomplished on the CROSS ____with out the Cross --hell was your end ------

So what I see from you post is that the Cross which gave you a choice ---to have eternal life or have eternal death ---is beyond your pay grade of understanding -----you still have the veil on which clouds your mind to understand and your eyes to see-------getting understanding helps -----

Your showing that if your are born again your on Milk still in your understanding -----you need to mature to meat feeding of the Scripture to get what the Cross signifies ------

Proverbs 4:7 -----in all your getting ---Get understanding ---enlightenment

i’m going to read Romans and get confirmation

 

[lrs68]

Paul was painfully aware of what the other eleven preached, including Stephen. Paul persecuted them on the basis of the Kingdom Gospel they preached. He was well aware of what Jesus taught them, which is the basis of his persecution because of his considering that Gospel to be heresy...thus persecution. Please read what he stated about the Kingdom Gospel of Jesus and the eleven, and what Jesus gave to him:

Galatians 1:11-12
11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

It could not be more clear. Paul did not teach anyone to be water baptized unto the remission of sins. He preached only faith in the death, burial and resurrection on the third day of Christ Jesus, which is the basis for the grace of salvation. One cannot DO anything like water baptism to earn grace. That makes no sense, and is an utter defiance of the definition for grace if one can earn forgiveness of sins by anything they can DO in their own effort. It is a GIFT. How does one earn a gift? They can't. It's faith that brings about the bestowment of the grace of God as a gift.

Does that clarify the matter for you?

MM

What Paul knew and understood better than most is the spiritual connection between the Law and the Gospel. It's true male Jews growing up would be able to recite the Torah but connecting the stories, history, lessons to the Messiah wouldn't have existed. Even connecting Isaiah 53 was non existent.

To me, Paul would be in comparison to the child of chef Ramsey against someone who just learned to boil water for macaroni and cheese. You get fed by both but one will have you wanting more.

 

[Seasons]

join you in love and grace

peace to all

 

[keepingthingsreal]

Acts 2:37-38
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Here's the Gospel Paul preached:

1 Corinthians 15:1-4
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

You're joking, right? Please tell me that you're joking. Are there truly people ignorant enough to fall for your spiel? Had you bothered to quote the "this" that the people "heard" in Acts 2:37, then you would have shown that Peter had just finished preaching the same exact death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ that Paul preached. Here, I will quote it for you.

Act 2:22
Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
Act 2:23
Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
Act 2:24
Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
Act 2:25
For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:
Act 2:26
Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:
Act 2:27
Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
Act 2:28
Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.
Act 2:29
Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
Act 2:30
Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
Act 2:31
He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
Act 2:32
This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
Act 2:33
Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
Act 2:34
For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
Act 2:35
Until I make thy foes thy footstool.
Act 2:36
Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Act 2:37
Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
Act 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Paul knew of the Kingdom Gospel and its work of water baptism for remission of sins, and yet his Gospel given to him by Christ Jesus, it was not of what he already knew the eleven were preaching.

Another lie. Paul was not only water baptized himself, but he water baptized others as well. Have you ever actually read the Bible?

Paul's Gospel was:

1 Corinthians 2:6-8
6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

So, if Paul's Gospel was the same as that which the other eleven in Jerusalem were preaching, then either he was guilty of omission, or he was a simplistic liar, or suffering from narcissism played out by his coming up with a gospel unknown to the eleven only to develop a following, because he clearly stated that what he preached came right from Christ Jesus, not from other men, whose message he already knew.

There is another possible option. Would you like me to tell you what it is? Simply put, you don't know what you're talking about. Paul went to those who allegedly preached a different gospel to receive confirmation from them for what he was preaching lest he had been running in vain.

Gal 2:1
Then fourteen years after I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, and took Titus with me also.
Gal 2:2
And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain.

How did you become so messed up in your theology?

Btw, you apparently do not understand Paul's use of the word "mystery" either, but that is another reproof for another time.

 

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