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Edify

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Woe unto the shepherds that sell my Word! When I gather my jewels, they will not be there.

The LORD has an ought against those who profit from the Gospel! They take the free word He has given them & sells it! God has told us in Matt. 10:7And as you go, [g]preach, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven [h]has come near.’ 8Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those with leprosy, cast out demons. Freely you received, freely give.
Who among us have anything good that the LORD Himself didn't freely give to us? Yet many who call themselves 'servants of God' have the gall, the nerve, to take their callings, their spiritual gifts, their anointing from God, and sell it to whoever will pay for it?
Even when God cuts them off & they can't get their own sermon, they will take the sermons/teachings of other ministers & sell them as theirs!
We think the judgment will be harsh on the false teachers/prophets selling their wares, but how much more condemnation a person will receive who has a real calling, real anointing, & sells it?
 

Edify

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While we can think of some who do this in televangelism, I assure you the numbers are astronomical as to how many do this without considering the judgment that will come upon them.
 
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Naaman’s Leprosy Healed
5 Now Naaman, commander of the army of the king of Syria, was a great and honorable man in the eyes of his master, because by him the Lord had given victory to Syria. He was also a mighty man of valor, but a leper. 2 And the Syrians had gone out on[a] raids, and had brought back captive a young girl from the land of Israel. She [b]waited on Naaman’s wife. 3 Then she said to her mistress, “If only my master were with the prophet who is in Samaria! For he would heal him of his leprosy.” 4 And Naaman went in and told his master, saying, “Thus and thus said the girl who is from the land of Israel.”

5 Then the king of Syria said, “Go now, and I will send a letter to the king of Israel.”

So he departed and took with him ten talents of silver, six thousand shekels of gold, and ten changes of clothing. 6 Then he brought the letter to the king of Israel, which said,

Now be advised, when this letter comes to you, that I have sent Naaman my servant to you, that you may heal him of his leprosy.
7 And it happened, when the king of Israel read the letter, that he tore his clothes and said, “Am I God, to kill and make alive, that this man sends a man to me to heal him of his leprosy? Therefore please consider, and see how he seeks a quarrel with me.”

8 So it was, when Elisha the man of God heard that the king of Israel had torn his clothes, that he sent to the king, saying, “Why have you torn your clothes? Please let him come to me, and he shall know that there is a prophet in Israel.”

9 Then Naaman went with his horses and chariot, and he stood at the door of Elisha’s house. 10 And Elisha sent a messenger to him, saying, “Go and wash in the Jordan seven times, and your flesh shall be restored to you, and you shall be clean.” 11 But Naaman became furious, and went away and said, “Indeed, I said to myself, ‘He will surely come out to me, and stand and call on the name of the Lord his God, and wave his hand over the place, and heal the leprosy.’ 12 Are not the [c]Abanah and the Pharpar, the rivers of Damascus, better than all the waters of Israel? Could I not wash in them and be clean?” So he turned and went away in a rage. 13 And his servants came near and spoke to him, and said, “My father, if the prophet had told you to do something great, would you not have done it? How much more then, when he says to you, ‘Wash, and be clean’?” 14 So he went down and dipped seven times in the Jordan, according to the saying of the man of God; and his flesh was restored like the flesh of a little child, and he was clean.

15 And he returned to the man of God, he and all his aides, and came and stood before him; and he said, “Indeed, now I know that there is no God in all the earth, except in Israel; now therefore, please take a gift from your servant.”

16 But he said, “As the Lord lives, before whom I stand, I will receive nothing.” And he urged him to take it, but he refused.

17 So Naaman said, “Then, if not, please let your servant be given two mule-loads of earth; for your servant will no longer offer either burnt offering or sacrifice to other gods, but to the Lord. 18 Yet in this thing may the Lord pardon your servant: when my master goes into the temple of Rimmon to worship there, and he leans on my hand, and I bow down in the temple of Rimmon—when I bow down in the temple of Rimmon, may the Lord please pardon your servant in this thing.”

19 Then he said to him, “Go in peace.” So he departed from him a short distance.

Gehazi’s Greed
20 But Gehazi, the servant of Elisha the man of God, said, “Look, my master has spared Naaman this Syrian, while not receiving from his hands what he brought; but as the Lord lives, I will run after him and take something from him.” 21 So Gehazi pursued Naaman. When Naaman saw him running after him, he got down from the chariot to meet him, and said, “Is all well?”

22 And he said, “All is well. My master has sent me, saying, ‘Indeed, just now two young men of the sons of the prophets have come to me from the mountains of Ephraim. Please give them a talent of silver and two changes of garments.’ ”

23 So Naaman said, “Please, take two talents.” And he urged him, and bound two talents of silver in two bags, with two changes of garments, and handed them to two of his servants; and they carried them on ahead of him. 24 When he came to [d]the citadel, he took them from their hand, and stored them away in the house; then he let the men go, and they departed. 25 Now he went in and stood before his master. Elisha said to him, “Where did you go, Gehazi?”

And he said, “Your servant did not go anywhere.”

26 Then he said to him, “Did not my heart go with you when the man turned back from his chariot to meet you? Is it time to receive money and to receive clothing, olive groves and vineyards, sheep and oxen, male and female servants? 27 Therefore the leprosy of Naaman shall cling to you and your descendants forever.” And he went out from his presence leprous, as white as snow
 

Edify

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How many evangelists today won't go to a church unless a minimum amount of money can be guaranteed to them with all expenses paid?
Do they realize that limiting themselves to "able to pay" churches causes them to skip over the poor entirely & cater to the well off?
Is it not the poor who need their ministry the most?
 

Edify

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2Cor 2:17 Nas: 17For we are not like the many, [e]peddling the word of God, but as from sincerity, but as from God, we speak in Christ in the sight of God. [e] 17 Or diluting

NLT: You see, we are not like the many hucksters who preach for personal profit. We preach the word of God with sincerity and with Christ’s authority, knowing that God is watching us.

Even in Paul's day he said there are many peddling the WORD
Those who sell the gospel dilute the word, making it weak & corrupt.
This is the reason false doctrine is scattered everywhere. They aren't pushing for accuracy, but sales. And as any market, a product is dressed up to appeal to the customers.

2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not tolerate sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance with their own desires,

This verse states two things: 1. they won't tolerate good teaching, but will want to hear about odd things in scripture that no one knows about, because it's not in there.
A good example: 1 Chronicles 4:10 10Now Jabez called on the God of Israel, saying, “Oh that You would bless me indeed and enlarge my border, and that Your hand might be with me, and that You would keep me from harm that it may not pain me!” And God granted him what he requested.
How many books have been written on this one verse? Where did they find a book's worth of info on Jabez? Yet this book flew of the shelves when it first came out.
Would a committed christian have this book in their library?
Would a prosperity doctrine believer have this book? Of course they would! They will fall for anything!


2. Paul showed us in this verse that there's enough greedy teachers to give them what they want.
The info in this verse helps us to see that today there are millions of' believers' who want to hear some 'new' thing.
 

homwardbound

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Woe unto the shepherds that sell my Word! When I gather my jewels, they will not be there.

The LORD has an ought against those who profit from the Gospel! They take the free word He has given them & sells it! God has told us in Matt. 10:7And as you go, [g]preach, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven [h]has come near.’ 8Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those with leprosy, cast out demons. Freely you received, freely give.
Who among us have anything good that the LORD Himself didn't freely give to us? Yet many who call themselves 'servants of God' have the gall, the nerve, to take their callings, their spiritual gifts, their anointing from God, and sell it to whoever will pay for it?
Even when God cuts them off & they can't get their own sermon, they will take the sermons/teachings of other ministers & sell them as theirs!
We think the judgment will be harsh on the false teachers/prophets selling their wares, but how much more condemnation a person will receive who has a real calling, real anointing, & sells it?
we, are in this world, not of it, if, or since one, anyone sees this from Father revealing the facts, as I see you see, and thank you
you have been in religion, haven't you and are seeing new after being under Law, thank you
Now that you are aware, Matt 10:16-20 see the remain harmless, remaining aware as you are aware now, Wow, woe is me, Isaiah 6:1-7
thank you Father
The remaining harmless is not easy
 

Edify

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we, are in this world, not of it, if, or since one, anyone sees this from Father revealing the facts, as I see you see, and thank you
you have been in religion, haven't you and are seeing new after being under Law, thank you
Now that you are aware, Matt 10:16-20 see the remain harmless, remaining aware as you are aware now, Wow, woe is me, Isaiah 6:1-7
thank you Father
The remaining harmless is not easy
I actually saw it before, but I see it much more deeply now. The LORD revealed it to me a few days ago.
It's a terrible thing that they do, but I realize now there's many more than I realized.
 

Edify

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An excellent example are those who look so busy doing the LORD's work they schedule several conferences, write several books. & go on religious shows.
It's not just the big televangelists, it's some of those who have a very good name in the church.

Matt23: 1Then Jesus spoke to the crowds and to His disciples, 2saying: “The scribes and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the chair of Moses. 3Therefore, whatever they tell you, do and [a]comply with it all, but do not do as they do; for they say things and do not do them. 4And they tie up heavy burdens and lay them on people’s shoulders, but they themselves are unwilling to move them with so much as their finger. 5And they do all their deeds to be noticed by other people; for they broaden their [c]phylacteries and lengthen the tassels of their garments. 6And they love the place of honor at banquets, and the seats of honor in the synagogues, 7and personal greetings in the marketplaces, and being called [d]Rabbi by the people. 8But as for you, do not be called [e]Rabbi; for only One is your Teacher, and you are all brothers and sisters.

“The scribes and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the chair of Moses. Notice how Jesus said "have seated themselves:

but do not do as they do; for they say things and do not do them. How many ministers are getting in legal trouble because they don't live as they preach?

And they tie up heavy burdens and lay them on people’s shoulders, but they themselves are unwilling to move them with so much as their finger. This speaks to those who make themselves ministerial elitists in today's denominations. They determine who does what & who doesn't do anything in their denominations.

And they do all their deeds to be noticed,,, and being called [d]Rabbi by the people.
Woe to the one that seeks titles & power in ministry, for he has forgotten he's a servant to the people, called by God to go to a place destined by Him & not where the power & money is!

they broaden their [c]phylacteries and lengthen the tassels of their garments The seek the personal glory for looking/ acting like someone much bigger, more important than they are! Faking it till they make it is never enough. When they rise up a little higher, they then fake it even higher

In the end, they become actors on the stage of power & success.
 

homwardbound

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I actually saw it before, but I see it much more deeply now. The LORD revealed it to me a few days ago.
It's a terrible thing that they do, but I realize now there's many more than I realized.
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Entering Father, Daddy’s, PaPa’s courts with thanksgiving and praise all sin gone as far as the east is from the west
Psalm 100:4, 103:12
 

Edify

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For example, once a minister goes on the road they will start writing books. When their book is written, they will buy a bunch through a dummy corporation, making them look like a best-selling author. Once they reach best selling author status, people pay attention & start buying the book believing this author has the goods when he doesn't. It's easy because lukewarm christians are all about the latest trends in the church.
All a person needs to do is count up all the books they've bought & only read one time. Then they may realize how they have been duped. The book is great until it's read & then the new wears off.
 

homwardbound

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For example, once a minister goes on the road they will start writing books. When their book is written, they will buy a bunch through a dummy corporation, making them look like a best-selling author. Once they reach best selling author status, people pay attention & start buying the book believing this author has the goods when he doesn't. It's easy because lukewarm christians are all about the latest trends in the church.
All a person needs to do is count up all the books they've bought & only read one time. Then they may realize how they have been duped. The book is great until it's read & then the new wears off.
there are well written God Spirit filled books. There are many as you have stated here as well
Books I have read, more than once
"Classic Christianity"
" The Naked Gospel"
"The Screwtape letters"
" This present darkness"
"Beyond this present darkness"
"Complete in Christ"
"Living above your circumstances"
Each one, I care less about the Author. I only care about discerning truth of God from God, who I see loves us all, proven to me by that cross of Son, going willingly. (Who does that?) that is done once for all. (Hebrews 10:10) He could have fought and did not why?
I only care about learning truth of God's Love for us all, thanks for your view, seeing the corruption of self and people too.
 

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God never shows me anyone's faults. See I prayed when I was very young all the time "please show me people through your eyes". He answered that 15y later. Not here to talk about me other then once you see people through His eyes you never will see them the same again. God sees every believer through what Christ has already done. They are and you are righteous to GOD because you and they believe in Jesus Christ. If God did show me something its because He knows I will not speak evil of them in any way I will speak words of life faith words. He knows I will pray for them using the authority the power He gave me over the enemy. See love does not see faults and love covers a multitude of sins. He said to a preacher that asked why He has not judge this other preacher with fire and brimstone (those were the mans words) do you know what God said back? "oh but do you know all the good they do for me?".

So not going to play with speculation or talk about someone that is not here can not defend or answer back. So.. this is not of GOD He never shows me any ones faults. Well only if they are with me and then ask for help. Haha.. I am no better then any preacher out there. Like them its the blood of JESUS Christ. So when talking about His kids I want no part in it. It is a sure fire way of getting His attention.
 

Dino246

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An excellent example are those who look so busy doing the LORD's work they schedule several conferences, write several books. & go on religious shows.
It's not just the big televangelists, it's some of those who have a very good name in the church.


Matt23: 1Then Jesus spoke to the crowds and to His disciples, 2saying: “The scribes and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the chair of Moses. 3Therefore, whatever they tell you, do and [a]comply with it all, but do not do as they do; for they say things and do not do them. 4And they tie up heavy burdens and lay them on people’s shoulders, but they themselves are unwilling to move them with so much as their finger. 5And they do all their deeds to be noticed by other people; for they broaden their [c]phylacteries and lengthen the tassels of their garments. 6And they love the place of honor at banquets, and the seats of honor in the synagogues, 7and personal greetings in the marketplaces, and being called [d]Rabbi by the people. 8But as for you, do not be called [e]Rabbi; for only One is your Teacher, and you are all brothers and sisters.

“The scribes and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the chair of Moses. Notice how Jesus said "have seated themselves:

but do not do as they do; for they say things and do not do them. How many ministers are getting in legal trouble because they don't live as they preach?

And they tie up heavy burdens and lay them on people’s shoulders, but they themselves are unwilling to move them with so much as their finger. This speaks to those who make themselves ministerial elitists in today's denominations. They determine who does what & who doesn't do anything in their denominations.

And they do all their deeds to be noticed,,, and being called [d]Rabbi by the people.
Woe to the one that seeks titles & power in ministry, for he has forgotten he's a servant to the people, called by God to go to a place destined by Him & not where the power & money is!


they broaden their [c]phylacteries and lengthen the tassels of their garments The seek the personal glory for looking/ acting like someone much bigger, more important than they are! Faking it till they make it is never enough. When they rise up a little higher, they then fake it even higher

In the end, they become actors on the stage of power & success.
How does the following verse fit into your "new revelation"?

1 Corinthians 9:14 In the same way, the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should receive their living from the gospel.
 

homwardbound

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God never shows me anyone's faults. See I prayed when I was very young all the time "please show me people through your eyes". He answered that 15y later. Not here to talk about me other then once you see people through His eyes you never will see them the same again. God sees every believer through what Christ has already done. They are and you are righteous to GOD because you and they believe in Jesus Christ. If God did show me something its because He knows I will not speak evil of them in any way I will speak words of life faith words. He knows I will pray for them using the authority the power He gave me over the enemy. See love does not see faults and love covers a multitude of sins. He said to a preacher that asked why He has not judge this other preacher with fire and brimstone (those were the mans words) do you know what God said back? "oh but do you know all the good they do for me?".

So not going to play with speculation or talk about someone that is not here can not defend or answer back. So.. this is not of GOD He never shows me any ones faults. Well only if they are with me and then ask for help. Haha.. I am no better then any preacher out there. Like them its the blood of JESUS Christ. So when talking about His kids I want no part in it. It is a sure fire way of getting His attention.
Brother the Love of God has spread about in and through you, you are a willing vessel for God to use, No need to know others faults, me, having my own. I see to not accuse or excuse anyone either!
Thank you. We are Father's children to be led new in love and mercy to all, thank you
If I do not love all (Which my past reveals that), then how can I say I am in, can I, can you can we?

I see the call to love all and see "I" am not able too! God is and did it for us through Son to us to walk new in love and mercy to all, not a flesh love either, God's love of 1 Cor 13:4-7, imputed in us to do naturally in the born new life given us to do it right, thank you
1 John 4:19
We love him, because he first loved us.

Then the outpouring from that, I see loving all becomes easy, since it is not me trying to do it anymore, rather the new me in humility thanks to God for me and all the other people also, those in and those that will be coming in as well through belief to see and be rested in what is done for them too, wow woe is me
 

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How does the following verse fit into your "new revelation"?

1 Corinthians 9:14 In the same way, the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should receive their living from the gospel.

There's a difference between getting by & getting paid.
An honest minister doesn't want more than he needs. His focus is helping others, while the greedy are focused on helping themselves.
Pride, arrogance, & narcissism are the fruit of the greedy. You will know them by their fruit.
 

homwardbound

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There's a difference between getting by & getting paid.
An honest minister doesn't want more than he needs. His focus is helping others, while the greedy are focused on helping themselves.
Pride, arrogance, & narcissism are the fruit of the greedy. You will know them by their fruit.
Which does not mean whomever I think are doing that are doing that, as well as seeing God still reaching out to us all, to teach us what true love from God truthfully is, at least me
I know what I was and still can be, yet choose, chose not to be that old selfish me anymore
seeing Phil 3 clearer now, than when I first read chapter 3
God doing the teaching in me and others each personally, time to say thank you and ask for to be taught by God over self or anyone else, maybe? I chose that willingly and wow, woe is me I need Father and Son as Won (One) see first, not me anymore love to all is the true call thanks
We only love because God first loved us. Trying to love is fruitless to me now as in 1 Cor 13:1-3 I need 4-7 and verse 13 to stand in in trust and be imputed these verses through me, thanking God that will do this, if not yet done yet in me or you or anyone else inn belief too
Those that will not quit in belief to God, some is risen for them, will see guilt and pride leave them
 

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So not going to play with speculation or talk about someone that is not here can not defend or answer back. So.. this is not of GOD
You are very kind. And I appreciate your candor.

Some of us, I'm not making a claim for the original poster, are equipped to deal with faults in the church structure and spend a good bit of time doing so. Much of my labor has been to rescue and restore believers who were caught in bad religion that used the name of Christ.

When a person makes their faults publicly known by, say, building a ministry out of them, it is appropriate to mark them so that those who love the Truth may avoid them. This is Biblical and can be found in many areas of scripture. Even Jesus did this.

So it most certainly is of God, but perhaps not of you. But, because our work in the Body is diverse, we are not all equipped the same.

Blessings.
 

homwardbound

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You are very kind. And I appreciate your candor.

Some of us, I'm not making a claim for the original poster, are equipped to deal with faults in the church structure and spend a good bit of time doing so. Much of my labor has been to rescue and restore believers who were caught in bad religion that used the name of Christ.

When a person makes their faults publicly known by, say, building a ministry out of them, it is appropriate to mark them so that those who love the Truth may avoid them. This is Biblical and can be found in many areas of scripture. Even Jesus did this.

So it most certainly is of God, but perhaps not of you. But, because our work in the Body is diverse, we are not all equipped the same.

Blessings.
John 14:26
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Those born new from Father in risen Son have no more need to be taught by anyone else. Might be that a first to need those mature to get each started in the truth for them too. Be fed milk yet need meat, which only father can truly give, not me or anyone else.
Now, if I, you or anyone else does not teach each to go to Father in prayer to be taught new in the risen Son Jesus for them to love all. Over the few the first born flesh only knows how to only love those that love them back and if anyone doe the same, these are no different than the Heathen. these do the very same love only those that love them back
Anyways,
Arron I appreciate your candor as well, as we each are growing up in Father and Son into maturity too, each in a different stage presently, yet are being taught new by God who has loved us first to be able to love back to all by his love first 1 John 4:19 thank you
 

PaulThomson

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Woe unto the shepherds that sell my Word! When I gather my jewels, they will not be there.

The LORD has an ought against those who profit from the Gospel! They take the free word He has given them & sells it! God has told us in Matt. 10:7And as you go, [g]preach, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven [h]has come near.’ 8Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those with leprosy, cast out demons. Freely you received, freely give.
Who among us have anything good that the LORD Himself didn't freely give to us? Yet many who call themselves 'servants of God' have the gall, the nerve, to take their callings, their spiritual gifts, their anointing from God, and sell it to whoever will pay for it?
Even when God cuts them off & they can't get their own sermon, they will take the sermons/teachings of other ministers & sell them as theirs!
We think the judgment will be harsh on the false teachers/prophets selling their wares, but how much more condemnation a person will receive who has a real calling, real anointing, & sells it?
I am certainly revolted by any Christian teaching that requires payment up front before "the product" has been consumed and evaluated by the consumer as worthy or worthless. I consider that truly "Christian" ministry should be given away free, and if participants believe that the event or material was spiritually valuable, they can bless forward by giving to subsidise the free presentation of similar sessions to others in the future.
 

Dino246

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There's a difference between getting by & getting paid.
An honest minister doesn't want more than he needs. His focus is helping others, while the greedy are focused on helping themselves.
Pride, arrogance, & narcissism are the fruit of the greedy. You will know them by their fruit.
So anyone who is paid more than they "need" is necessarily not focused on helping others? They are then proud, arrogant, and narcissistic? Who gets to define "need"? What about those who have side income... should they be paid less (or not at all) because their "needs" are covered?

It looks to me that you have a bee in your bonnet about a specific personal experience and are trying to justify your response by discussing a general issue. So... who made you mad, and how?