The conversion of the Philippian Jailer in Acts 16.

[HeIsHere]

@HeIsHere That last question would be better put as, "Does going through a marriage ceremony and exchanging vows mean that the wife and husband trust each other less than if they forego the ceremony and just start living together?

I am not sure I understand the relevance of this question.
If they live together and have a conjugal/sexual relationship they are married.

You know one could make the argument that only baptisms conducted outside in some body of water (as opposed to the big tub most churches use) are acceptable to God.

 

[HeIsHere]

Do you consider baptism as mentioned in Acts 2:38 as a "work"?

I do not, but those who make it a requirement for spiritual salvation do.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

I do not, but those who make it a requirement for spiritual salvation do.

What is spiritual salvation? Scriptural salvation is the preservation of body, soul and spirit in eternity

 

[HeIsHere]

What is spiritual salvation? Scriptural salvation is the preservation of body, soul and spirit in eternity

Spiritual salvation is being born from above, the regeneration of the human spirit which was dead (separated) from fellowship/relationship with God.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Spiritual salvation is being born from above, the regeneration of the human spirit which was dead (separated) from fellowship/relationship with God.

What difference does it make then? Is someone harmed by thinking they need to be baptised to be saved? It's a one-and-done. Do you think God is going to find fault with someone for thinking he needs to be baptised to be saved? I think rather he would find fault with you for creating doubts in believers' minds about doing something that he has made clear he wants done.

 

[HeIsHere]

What difference does it make then? Is someone harmed by thinking they need to be baptised to be saved? It's a one-and-done. Do you think God is going to find fault with someone for thinking he needs to be baptised to be saved? I think rather he would find fault with you for creating doubts in believers' minds about doing something that he has made clear he wants done.

There is tremendous harm to the Gospel and God sets the conditions for salvation not man.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

There is tremendous harm to the Gospel and God sets the conditions for salvation not man.

The only tremendous harm is to your false doctrine and fragile faith. No one who has true faith in God is harmed by thinking baptism is a requirement for salvation, whether that's true or not. It was something done by every believer in the NT, so we should emulate them

 

[HeIsHere]

The only tremendous harm is to your fragile doctrine and faith. No one who has true faith in God is harmed by thinking baptism is a requirement for salvation. It was something done by every believer in the NT, so we should emulate them

The correct doctrine of salvation is robust and the sure foundation, because it based completely and wholly upon Christ Jesus.
Yes the old you is shining through once again.
Goodbye.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

The correct doctrine of salvation is robust and the sure foundation, because it based completely and wholly upon Christ Jesus.
Yes the old you is shining through once again.
Goodbye.

And such is what people who get baptized believe. Simply doing something that God said to do doesn't subvert that. It merely subverts what you think is pure doctrine, but is really just justification for rebellion and unbelief .

 

[HeIsHere]

Is someone harmed by thinking they need to be baptised to be saved?

Either this person who may be saved, has fallen under false teaching sadly, or they are not saved.

Can you understand that God determines and sets the conditions for receiving the gift of salvation.

 

[HeIsHere]

What difference does it make then? Is someone harmed by thinking they need to be baptised to be saved? It's a one-and-done. Do you think God is going to find fault with someone for thinking he needs to be baptised to be saved? I think rather he would find fault with you for creating doubts in believers' minds about doing something that he has made clear he wants done.

Here clearly stated .. all credit to @mailmandan

Either we are trusting 100% in Jesus Christ alone for salvation or else we are 100% lost.

 

[TrustandObey]

The occasion of grace through faith which saves is very well defined by Christ Jesus himself.
See John 3 1-21

The act of baptism is well defined by the Bible.

What must and what does not need to be believed is not defined by the faith alone pushers. A rather strange situation to be in since it is central to their theology.

Also, the complete lack of a scriptural reference using "faith alone" makes their narrative suspect.

No one is debating the need for faith. The debate is simply are actions (not works of merit) needed.

James 2:24 makes it clear:
"So you see that a person is shown to be righteous through faithful actions and not through faith alone."

We may debate what actions need to be done but not the need for them.

Was Rehab saved by displaying the red sash, yes. Was this action meritorious, no. Was the action need, yes.

BTW John 3:1-21 does not define faith, just the object of our faith.

 

[HeIsHere]

The act of baptism is well defined by the Bible.

What must and what does not need to be believed is not defined by the faith alone pushers. A rather strange situation to be in since it is central to their theology.

Also, the complete lack of a scriptural reference using "faith alone" makes their narrative suspect.

No one is debating the need for faith. The debate is simply are actions (not works of merit) needed.

James 2:24 makes it clear:
"So you see that a person is shown to be righteous through faithful actions and not through faith alone."

We may debate what actions need to be done but not the need for them.

Was Rehab saved by displaying the red sash, yes. Was this action meritorious, no. Was the action need, yes.

BTW John 3:1-21 does not define faith, just the object of our faith.

I will go with this....

Either we are trusting 100% in Jesus Christ alone for salvation or else we are 100% lost.

 

[TrustandObey]

Science agrees it is mostly H2O

Science also agrees that urine is mostly H2O.
That does not make it wise to label it "water".

 

[HeIsHere]

Science also agrees that urine is mostly H2O.
That does not make it wise to label it "water".

I will trust Christ Jesus and His words, I am pretty sure that was not a tricky word to translate.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Here clearly stated .. all credit to @mailmandan

Either we are trusting 100% in Jesus Christ alone for salvation or else we are 100% lost.

This is pure BS. No one has 100% faith. This is just an artificial metric created to deceive one's mind that they have that special kind of faith that saves. Gnosticism, essentially.

Acknowledged faith in Christ is enough to place a believer into covenant with God. Baptism is one way of acknowledgement God has set forth. Those who might think baptism is required are not expressing a lack of faith in Christ. On the contrary they are placing faith in Christ by doing his words.

 

[TrustandObey]

I will trust Christ Jesus and His words, I am pretty sure that was not a tricky word to translate.

Correct.

The Bible uses the Greek word hydatos, which means water. Such as the word is used in the water of the baptism of Jesus.

Matthew 3:16:
"As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the (hydatos) water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him."

It takes a lot of trickery to translate this water into amniotic fluid.

 

[HeIsHere]

Correct.

The Bible uses the Greek word hydatos, which means water. Such as the word is used in the water of the baptism of Jesus.

Matthew 3:16:
"As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the (hydatos) water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him."

It takes a lot of trickery to translate this water into amniotic fluid.

The analogy is absolutely clear, it is beyond belief that anyone could consider it to be anything else.

4 “How can someone be born when they are old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!”

 

[TrustandObey]

This is pure BS. No one has 100% faith. This is just an artificial metric created to deceive one's mind that they have that special kind of faith that saves. Gnosticism, essentially.

Acknowledged faith in Christ is enough to place a believer into covenant with God. Baptism is one way of acknowledgement God has set forth. Those who might think baptism is required are not expressing a lack of faith in Christ. On the contrary they are placing faith in Christ by doing his words.

The scribes of the Faith Alone Movement are today's pushers of Gnosticism.

 

[Slimsumo]

Spiritual salvation is being born from above, the regeneration of the human spirit which was dead (separated) from fellowship/relationship with God.

John 3:5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.