Ask away.. I am willing to answer any question any about my biblical beliefs
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In the Laodicean and lukewarm spiritual climate of today's sin-drunken and sin-excusing church-world, perhaps the most dreadful and unpopular thing one can be accused of is to be "critical". I am neiter impressed or intimidated by those that attack the righteous, falsely accusing them of being critical, and worse. I without shame or apology will continue to boldly declare the truth of God word, and His righteousness.
I never saaid that. That is the straw man that you and others erect simply to knock down. What I said is that all believers including you and myself are able to obtain sinlessness by the power of God within us.
Ephesians 3:20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us
Ephesians 3:20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us
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It is a difficult question 4runner that every theologian eventually must struggle with. I chose it for that reason.
For starters, I might state the characteristics of God that necessitate hell are His justice, His love, and His sovereignty.
He gives us life and He doesn't take that gift back and the choices we make in life and what we do with our lives matter.
It is a true that not all evil is punished in this life. Many have observered the wicked prospering (if only for this lifetime). Thus, the existence of an after-this-life place of punishment for the wicked is necessary to maintain God's justice. And God's sovereignty is such that that there will be a final victory over evil.
For those who reject God and His goodness, using their life for evil, knowingly or in a deceived state, the punishment of an eternal creature for free-will sin against a perfect eternal God (who doesn't take back the good gifts such as the gift of life) is eternal punishment. And God created humans to have free-will and will not force them into heaven against their will (human dignity demands the ability to reject heaven).
And I might argue that nonexistence cannot be said to be a better condition than existence, since nonexistence is nothing; to affirm that nothing can be better than something is a colossal category mistake. In order for two things to be comparable, they must have something in common, and there is absolutely nothing in common between being and nonbeing for they are diametrical opposites.
It is precisely because we are not animals that God does not treat us like them. Annihilating those who do not carry out His will would be unkind and unmerciful, as would be a father who shot his child because the person grew up and rejected him, became deceived, and turned to evil corrupting his soul. It is more merciful to allow them to choose their own way after striving with them all the days of their life.
I could argue that both of the Testaments reveal a God of love who is also a God of justice. God offers men and women his love and forgiveness, urging us to repent and escape the terrible and eternal judgments of the end of history. God wants everyone to be saved; hell was created not for people, but for the devil and his fallen angels.
Hell is only for the unreformable and unrepentant, the reprobate. Hell is not for anyone who is reformable, for God in His wisdom and goodness does not allow anyone to go to hell whom He knew would go to heaven if He gave more opportunity. This idea is rejected by many fundamentalists though who assert that God cannot save someone who earnestly seeks Him but never heard the name of Christ so I'll save that for a different thread. But maybe I've opened up a can of theological "worms" so to speak. I hope not. Peace.
For starters, I might state the characteristics of God that necessitate hell are His justice, His love, and His sovereignty.
He gives us life and He doesn't take that gift back and the choices we make in life and what we do with our lives matter.
It is a true that not all evil is punished in this life. Many have observered the wicked prospering (if only for this lifetime). Thus, the existence of an after-this-life place of punishment for the wicked is necessary to maintain God's justice. And God's sovereignty is such that that there will be a final victory over evil.
For those who reject God and His goodness, using their life for evil, knowingly or in a deceived state, the punishment of an eternal creature for free-will sin against a perfect eternal God (who doesn't take back the good gifts such as the gift of life) is eternal punishment. And God created humans to have free-will and will not force them into heaven against their will (human dignity demands the ability to reject heaven).
And I might argue that nonexistence cannot be said to be a better condition than existence, since nonexistence is nothing; to affirm that nothing can be better than something is a colossal category mistake. In order for two things to be comparable, they must have something in common, and there is absolutely nothing in common between being and nonbeing for they are diametrical opposites.
It is precisely because we are not animals that God does not treat us like them. Annihilating those who do not carry out His will would be unkind and unmerciful, as would be a father who shot his child because the person grew up and rejected him, became deceived, and turned to evil corrupting his soul. It is more merciful to allow them to choose their own way after striving with them all the days of their life.
I could argue that both of the Testaments reveal a God of love who is also a God of justice. God offers men and women his love and forgiveness, urging us to repent and escape the terrible and eternal judgments of the end of history. God wants everyone to be saved; hell was created not for people, but for the devil and his fallen angels.
Hell is only for the unreformable and unrepentant, the reprobate. Hell is not for anyone who is reformable, for God in His wisdom and goodness does not allow anyone to go to hell whom He knew would go to heaven if He gave more opportunity. This idea is rejected by many fundamentalists though who assert that God cannot save someone who earnestly seeks Him but never heard the name of Christ so I'll save that for a different thread. But maybe I've opened up a can of theological "worms" so to speak. I hope not. Peace.
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Doesn't revelations say who's in who's out??? Liars, fornicators etc pretty much same as galations 5 works of the flesh no?? So can one claim grace while still doing these things and expect forgiveness or judgement?? It's one thing to be ignorant, another to behold truth by teachings given in the bible.
Wars won but the battle still rages lolz
Ten virgins??
OSAS is only applicable when walking in the light of the gospel, but grace is not being condemning over stumbling long the way, can not do as the instruction manual says not to and just claim grace, yet even Paul had a sting of Satan in his flesh (what that was is still open to speciulation as it doesnt say, nor do I think Paul gave into to it or did he?) but pressed on as we are to do. There is "be perfect" and having attained that perfection, first is to press on and the second is glorification when we are with Him in heaven
Wars won but the battle still rages lolz
Ten virgins??
OSAS is only applicable when walking in the light of the gospel, but grace is not being condemning over stumbling long the way, can not do as the instruction manual says not to and just claim grace, yet even Paul had a sting of Satan in his flesh (what that was is still open to speciulation as it doesnt say, nor do I think Paul gave into to it or did he?) but pressed on as we are to do. There is "be perfect" and having attained that perfection, first is to press on and the second is glorification when we are with Him in heaven
Man was never meant to die. We were created for eternity by an eternal being. Our souls are eternal. God is "love" and "light" To live void of God is to live in a place void of love and light. "where there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth"
For God is perfect and where there is imperfection God cannot be. For just as darkness cannot comprehend light and oil cannot mix with water, is the separation between righteousness and unrighteousness.
why would GOD create us, knowing the vast majority would end up living in agony for eternity? I suppose you will have to ask HIM that question to get the real answer. My guess?
It was our option. He gave us life. We don't HAVE to live with Him. Satan chose not to. He thought he could do better. We might have thought that as well. But not after all of this!!
Where is the reward if someone HAS to stay with you? its only real when they CHOOSE to stay with you Besides, without all of this pain, suffering and choice, without all of these "other roads" I couldn't have been tried and purified in the fires of life. !! I say what the bible say's "CONSIDER IT ALL JOY"
If a trillion people were created, all given free will, all granted the choice to pick good or evil, all given the choice to follow GOD or sinful flesh, knowing well that the price for sin was death. If of that trillion people only 333,000 people chose GOD and were purified in the blood of the Lamb, and stayed on that narrow path that leads to salvation. Then I say GOD is a righteous GOD, for giving those 333,000 people that opportunity to know Him and be purified enough to dwell with HIM. Praise GOD and thank you JESUS!!
For God is perfect and where there is imperfection God cannot be. For just as darkness cannot comprehend light and oil cannot mix with water, is the separation between righteousness and unrighteousness.
why would GOD create us, knowing the vast majority would end up living in agony for eternity? I suppose you will have to ask HIM that question to get the real answer. My guess?
It was our option. He gave us life. We don't HAVE to live with Him. Satan chose not to. He thought he could do better. We might have thought that as well. But not after all of this!!
Where is the reward if someone HAS to stay with you? its only real when they CHOOSE to stay with you Besides, without all of this pain, suffering and choice, without all of these "other roads" I couldn't have been tried and purified in the fires of life. !! I say what the bible say's "CONSIDER IT ALL JOY" If a trillion people were created, all given free will, all granted the choice to pick good or evil, all given the choice to follow GOD or sinful flesh, knowing well that the price for sin was death. If of that trillion people only 333,000 people chose GOD and were purified in the blood of the Lamb, and stayed on that narrow path that leads to salvation. Then I say GOD is a righteous GOD, for giving those 333,000 people that opportunity to know Him and be purified enough to dwell with HIM. Praise GOD and thank you JESUS!!
Of course.....We ''obtain'' sinlessness every time we repent and our forgive and washed clean. The question is can we maintain this state. Living sinlessly for 1 or 5 or 10 or 20yrs does not aromatically give us eternal life. Remaining faithful unto our death does. However living sinlessly is commandment from God to us. Furthermore God promises us that we are able in Him, by His power to keep this command.
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