The hatred of Jews

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TabinRivCA

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Are all Palestinians calling to bomb the US? In fact, are they even remotely capable of bombing the US? Does Hamas? Can you site your source for this claim?

My apologies if you're an Israeli. I'm speaking as an American explicitly in reference to Trump's proposal of colonizing Gaza. Just so we are on the same page, you DO realize Israel and the USA are completely different states, aye?
Pro-Palestinians are calling for the destruction of Israel, the enemy has been trying this since the beginning of their being. Palestine is run by terrorists and there will never be peace as long as that's the case. Did you see how they disregard their 'own' while fighting in other countries killing many. Israel is the victim and if you think they are the terrorists then so must God(of course HE don't).
 

Kroogz

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Are all Palestinians calling to bomb the US? In fact, are they even remotely capable of bombing the US? Does Hamas? Can you site your source for this claim?

My apologies if you're an Israeli. I'm speaking as an American explicitly in reference to Trump's proposal of colonizing Gaza. Just so we are on the same page, you DO realize Israel and the USA are completely different states, aye?

You are having trouble mapping entities in analogies.
Simple. The USA has nothing "land" wise in the bible. Israel does. And they will have it.

Israel doesn't poke the bear. The bear ALWAYS pokes Israel.
 

Smoke

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Pro-Palestinians are calling for the destruction of Israel, the enemy has been trying this since the beginning of their being. Palestine is run by terrorists and there will never be peace as long as that's the case. Did you see how they disregard their 'own' while fighting in other countries killing many. Israel is the victim and if you think they are the terrorists then so must God(of course HE don't).
You mean Hamas and many Palestinians cheer Hamas for being the enemy of their oppressive enemy? Not all Palestinians support Hamas. They are killed if they aren't obedient to their wishes. Most of the population is so young that they weren't even alive during the election! Let that sink in.

Nevertheless, @Kroogz 's point was that the US is justified in colonizing Gaza because the Palestinians threaten to bomb/overtake us. This is fake news. Perhaps there is a terrorist organization, aka Hamas, that wants to do this to Israel... but last I checked, the USA is NOT Israel. Thus, his analogy shatters. The US does not have the right to commit war crimes and overtake Gaza.
 

ZNP

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Matthew 16:6 Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

Consider the context of this warning. The Pharisees also with the Sadducees come to the Lord asking for a sign, He says an evil and adulterous generation seeks a sign and then gives this warning. I have been a Christian for more than 50 years. During that time I have seen a good number of signs and miracles. Probably twenty if not more. But not once when I was "seeking a sign". These things happened because the Lord was speaking to me, building up my faith, letting me see the spiritual world or simply answering my prayer.

So what does the Lord tell them? First he says the sky is red, if this is in the evening you know the next day will be good weather, if it is in the morning you know that that means today will be bad weather. The sign for everyone is that the sky is red, we have a lot of innocent blood being shed. We have 60 million abortions, we have over a million deaths in Ukraine, we have Gaza that has been obliterated, Lahaina, the Palisades. Just a whole lot of unrighteousness. The question is not what color is the sky, the question is what time is it for you? Does this red sky mean the sun is rising on your kingdom? If so you can expect a whole lot of tribulation. Or does this red sky mean the sun is setting on you? The disciples lost everything when Jesus was killed. If that is the case then this means tomorrow in the kingdom age you will have peace.

He then concludes and tells them the only sign that will be given this wicked and adulterous age is the sign of Jonah. He was crucified, died and buried and spent three days in the grave and then rose from the dead. That is your sign. Because of this the message was then preached for forty days that you need to repent because at the end of that time the city will be overthrown and all you have will be lost. This is the message of the church age. Repent of your sins, receive Jesus Christ as your savior, and do it quickly because everything is about to be destroyed like in the Ukraine, or Gaza or Lahaina or the Palisades.

This is the context. We don't need anymore signs that Jesus' resurrection from the dead and the unrighteousness of this age. Anyone asking for more signs is part of a wicked and adulterous age and does not want to repent and is looking for any excuse not to repent. The leaven of religion is to try and keep supplying more and more signs to this wicked and adulterous age. Beware of that leaven. Stick it to them, the age is filled with unrighteousness. If you are going to continue with this unrighteous age then you too will suffer tribulation like they did in Lahaina, the Ukraine, Gaza and the Palisades. Some of these people were poor, some were rural farmers, some were middle class and some were very wealthy. Everyone will suffer tribulation in this world. You need to repent and repent now. Jesus rose from the dead, what you need more than anything is the resurrection life.
 

Smoke

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Simple. The USA has nothing "land" wise in the bible. Israel does. And they will have it.

Israel doesn't poke the bear. The bear ALWAYS pokes Israel.
I'm not debating or discussing biblical land claims. I'm explicitly discussing America's right to overtake Gaza. You refuse to distinguish Israel and the USA.

In case you still have no idea what I'm talking about, Trump proposed that the US take complete ownership to Gaza. Even if I wanted to have a biblical discussion on land claims, you conceded yourself that the US DOESN'T HAVE ANY BIBLICAL LAND CLAIMS. So why don't you see his proposal as a terrible one? We aren't Israeli, we are American.
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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No doubt that God is sovereign, and His plan will be done regardless of man's intervention. Having said that, against all odds, the Palestinian people survive in spite of Hamas and Israel oppressing them.
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Baloney, Israel isn't oppressing them. They've brought this on themselves. The only ones I feel sorry for is children who have no choice and will be brought up to continue their hate of the Jews.
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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Seems like the sympathy flows to those who came in terrorizing the inhabitants, the indigenous people, among which a good number were Christians.

But that is the nature of a doctrine of exceptionalism.
Good Lord, some of you people! The indigenous people are the Jews!!! Historical fact! So you can save your red x, it won't change history.
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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Also wanted to mention that anyone with a little knowledge of history knows that Native Americans were, in fact, native to America. In 2025, do you propose we voluntarily give our land and homes to them because they have a more historical claim which predates modernity? It just seems like the goal post changes depending on the people we are referencing.
It isn't the same situation. Israel was granted by God to the Jewish people. There have always been Jews in Israel. Arabs have no right to the land, but Israel still was willing to share. They turned down at 2 state solution. Then every peace offer after that. They have no right to scream about now. Israel has been more than fair, in fact, trusted them too much, as Oct 7 showed.
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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Do you prefer "Arabs"? I understand some people are triggered hearing a term for a group of people. I wonder if you would ask Trump who he is referencing when he uses the term "Palestinian". Or would you not play coy with him?
No one is "triggered" they are Arabs. There is no Palestinian people, it's a political ploy. They are Arabs from the surrounding countries.
 
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I'm being dead honest. The entire land belongs to the Jews. God gave them the deed to the land and He has never rescinded it. Israel has tried since 48 to make peace with the Arabs/ Palestinians and they have turned down every offer. They are still screaming "from the river to the sea" calling for all Jews to be killed. Israel is the homeland of the Jews, not the Arabs/Palestinians. They can go back to the countries they came from. Had they been willing to live in peace, perhaps there could have been another solution. But they refuse peace, they brought this on themselves. Clear enough?
The problem is they all come from Israel. These are the children of Abraham first son Ishmael, and Jacobs brother Esau and lots children God has his purposes for these nations that war against the israelites "4These nations were left to test the Israelites, to find out whether they would keep the commandments of the LORD, which He had given their fathers through Moses. 5Thus the Israelites continued to live among the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites. Judges 3:4-5"

God could have obliterated these nations anytime he wanted but he didn't. He promised Abraham his descendents would be like the stars in the sky and the sand of sea. Plus just as he saved Lot God knew there would be Christian that would be saved. Before Muhammed was born perhaps to prepare for the end times? after the 600 ac Many arabs have died for worshipping our father and we will see them in heaven. But I think this is all in our fathers will.
 

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I'm not debating or discussing biblical land claims. I'm explicitly discussing America's right to overtake Gaza. You refuse to distinguish Israel and the USA.

In case you still have no idea what I'm talking about, Trump proposed that the US take complete ownership to Gaza. Even if I wanted to have a biblical discussion on land claims, you conceded yourself that the US DOESN'T HAVE ANY BIBLICAL LAND CLAIMS. So why don't you see his proposal as a terrible one? We aren't Israeli, we are American.
Yes, agree this is a a very different topic.
 
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That is silly. Lets use your analogy.....

The illegal Haitians and other illegals deported all legal Americans. The Americans eventually regrouped and took back what was rightfully theirs.
No, no, a better analogy would be the illegal Haitians and other illegals deported all legal Americans, and then started to claim that they were the true Americans all along, and the actual true Americans are just terrorists, and besides, God never gave them America in the first place - it was promised long ago to Haitians (who are really the true Americans). Then new anti-Americanism laws are introduced that make it illegal for anyone to criticise what the Haitians or illegals had done or were doing to the true Americans. Then a third party - let's say the Germans - come in and say they can help the few Americans that are left as they are being treated as terrorists, by taking control of America and building homes for real Americans in Mexico, but they would have to leave America, and wouldn't have any right to return (except by converting to the Satanic voodoo religion and claiming to be descended from Haitians).
 

HeIsHere

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I will trust Christ Jesus and NOT John Hagee

"For the days will come upon you when your enemies will barricade you and surround you and hem you in on every side.
44They will level you to the ground—you and the children within your walls. They will not leave one stone on another, because you did not recognize the time of your visitation from God."
Luke 19: 43-44
 

PennEd

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Nonsense, they own the land historically and Biblically.
It is the scourge of amillennialism and replacement theology.

If they believe what you said, they’d have to upend their entire Biblical view.

A bridge too far, since most have attended Churches where they have been bathed in this heresy since birth.
 

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It is the scourge of amillennialism and replacement theology.

If they believe what you said, they’d have to upend their entire Biblical view.

A bridge too far, since most have attended Churches where they have been bathed in this heresy since birth.
Do you believe all heretics go to hell?
 

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Heretics are those who reject the essential tenants of the Gospel unto Salvation and are therefore not born again.
 

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I'm not debating or discussing biblical land claims. I'm explicitly discussing America's right to overtake Gaza. You refuse to distinguish Israel and the USA.

In case you still have no idea what I'm talking about, Trump proposed that the US take complete ownership to Gaza. Even if I wanted to have a biblical discussion on land claims, you conceded yourself that the US DOESN'T HAVE ANY BIBLICAL LAND CLAIMS. So why don't you see his proposal as a terrible one? We aren't Israeli, we are American.

As for Gaza it's all a bit puzzling to me over how both the futurist or the preterite's are seeing these events. One see's the events of Daniel 11:38-45 as fulfilled in the past while the other see's these events as yet future. As for Trump and the US taking possession of Gaza and planting it's tabernacles of his/our palace there isn't it reserved for the Antichrist to plant his tabernacle and palace between the sea's(Mediterranean and Salt) in the glorious Holy Mountain?
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Daniel 11&version=KJV