Becomes Trump a dictator?

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You see that part that says...subject to the jurisdiction thereof? What do you believe that means?
As you probably are aware of, granted you have the knowledge of the Constitution you are claiming, you will know that the interpretation of this passage varies from whom takes upon themselves to interpret it.

The wording of it is clear. The outcome depends on the interpretation.

A person born in the U.S. will in most cases be “subject to the jurisdiction thereof”. To present an alternative scenario there will have to be a legal process proving otherwise. Now, this is not a penal case, so there will be no obligation to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt, but it will still need to be proven in a court case as the most likely scenario.

To the extent of my knowledge, no such case has been tried for many decades. Given the cases from the late nineteenth century, and the early twentieth century, Trump will be confronted with a mountain to climb to get this his way.

Please proceed.
 

Eli1

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Just to get this thread onto something more significant for the world order.

The main problem with the peace negotiations about Ukraine vs Russia is that both countries are capable of keeping the war going for years. Russia is the biggest military power in Europe and Ukraine is the second biggest military power. I’m not sure that the American people are aware of the fact that Ukraine is a military power that would have overrun us in a few months if we were sharing borders. Granted that the conflict had not been nuclear. The reason why they haven’t overrun the Russians is the Biden Administration.

When the biggest military power is waging war on the second biggest militarily power, that’s the recipe for a never ending battle. None of them are willing to surrender and that means this war could be stretching over decades if no one can pan out a peace plan.

That is what our administration has to deal with. The Biden Administration was a total disaster regarding this war. Unfortunately, the current administration seems to be planning on taking on the disastrous heritage from the Biden Administration. Only using a different rhetoric.

And then there’s Europe slowly becoming, if not an outright enemy, but more and more an ally dragging its feet.
I'm sorry Greta.
I don't know who told you these "news" but Turkey is the second largest military in Europe in terms of troops or equipment.
This is what my father in law told me who's a general in the army.
 

Genez

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A most honorable man. I think the faith in Jesus is what helps us through our ordeals. Be it in the service or elsewhere.

I think I have heard his name mentioned, but I’m not sure.
All branches knew him....... And, all walks of life.
When he was not covering current events at the time he gave lessons, his Bible teaching and excellent history lessons remain timeless, and right on target for today.

I got to know a Marine recruiter when I lived up north. Heard from some other believers that there is a Marine recruiter the next town over who seemed to be interested in the Bible. Stopped by his office. Got to know sergeant after speaking with him a few times.
One day, I stopped by and gave him audio copies of lessons called, the 'Doctrine of War.' He took them, and I left.

After a couple of weeks, I stopped by to see the sergeant. Only his secretary was in the office. I told her about the messages I had given him and had stopped by to see him. What she told me next took me totally by surprise.

She told me he had all the branches in that federal building come to his office and had them listen. I was amazed... to put it mildly.

Next thing I knew... I was attending an annual east coast Bible conference down in Alexandra, VA.... right near to the Pentagon.
Military dress could be seen throughout the conference hall. During one lesson, I was sitting at the outside row adjacent to the
walk down aisle.

I looked over to my left and saw two hands in Navy whites holding the "collection plate" for me to take and pass down.
He was holding a steel pot helmet. I looked up and saw a big smile!

Later, after a class was finished, as I was walking back to my hotel room, I was stopped by a Marine officer. I had only been a specialist in the army, and was not too certain what his rank was. I was a civilian at the time. He made me feel totally relaxed, and at the same time, wanting to "pop to" and salute.

To make a log story shorter.

I mentioned to him the Marine recruiter up north. He asked me his name. I said that I am from up north and he would not know him. He smiled, and then told me... "We're all family. What is his name?"

I mentioned the sergeant's name. And, then continued on my way. Back home, a few weeks later, I went to visit the sergeant again. He was walking down the stairway reading papers. I told him about the conference, and he told me the ministry sent him a lot of materials to study. Then, with a perplexed expression, he said he just got notice that he is being transferred to Hawaii.

I can not say for sure who the Marine officer was at the East Coat conference. But we knew that at the conference some had been working at the Pentagon. It took me years later to finally put the pieces together., when learning at that time my church had members stationed in Hawaii. Some special forces.

And, to add to that? That Marine officer I spoke with at the conference looked, and had, the demeanor of Ollie North. Whom I did not know at the time. Only until months later did I see the resemblance while watching the Iran Contra hearings on TV.

Yes... There was military everywhere to be seen at that conference.
For, RB Thieme, Jr was no ordinary Bible teacher. He was a scholar of the highest calibre.
Was even invited to give a conference at MIT by some of the student body.

Yeah.... he was pretty good. :)
 

Cameron143

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As you probably are aware of, granted you have the knowledge of the Constitution you are claiming, you will know that the interpretation of this passage varies from whom takes upon themselves to interpret it.

The wording of it is clear. The outcome depends on the interpretation.

A person born in the U.S. will in most cases be “subject to the jurisdiction thereof”. To present an alternative scenario there will have to be a legal process proving otherwise. Now, this is not a penal case, so there will be no obligation to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt, but it will still need to be proven in a court case as the most likely scenario.

To the extent of my knowledge, no such case has been tried for many decades. Given the cases from the late nineteenth century, and the early twentieth century, Trump will be confronted with a mountain to climb to get this his way.

Please proceed.
Do you know why the 14th Amendment was written?
 
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Do you know why the 14th Amendment was written?
Originally for reconstruction purposes. That was the spirit of the amendment.

If this was written in a European country, or in the state of Louisiana, that spirit might would have been a major factor when interpreting it. However, since all states, with the exception of Louisiana, are subject to common law, it’s the cases tried setting precedence.

Those cases, from the 19th century and the 20th century, do not challenge the wording of the amendment.

If you disagree with this, maybe Europe or Louisiana would be a place where you could practice your views upon jurisprudence?
 
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I’m calling out your straw man.

First of all, I’m no leftist. I’m a constitutionalist. I’m an NRA member and I’m anti pro choice. I’m a conservative Christian and I have no patience with the alphabet league.

You can deal out your victim card to anyone you want, but that doesn’t scare me. I’m not a victim but I don’t want to see America’s position dwindle downward.

What is your administration doing to prevent us from looking like weaklings to Putin?
I don't think they understand the MAGA crowd in Texas in the rest of the MAGA universe. They think we're all lefties when we complain about things. We were told there were millions of illegal's we were going to round up and we got ready to help do it, but then nothing. We were told Bidenomics was the cause of the food prices and after we voted it would get better but instead it is worse. Texans don't enjoy looking at EO after EO that do very little and DOGE clowns going day after day telling us they have found billions of dollars of fraud and abuse with no handcuffs involved in the big talk. I don't think they understand the MAGA crowd in Texas isn't shy about calling hot air hot air and suggesting letting the next in line take over if he's not gonna really do it.
 
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I'm sorry Greta.
I don't know who told you these "news" but Turkey is the second largest military in Europe in terms of troops or equipment.
This is what my father in law told me who's a general in the army.
Is that a reference to NATO member states?
 

Kroogz

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The dwindling downward of America has only one root cause.
It is spiritual... not political.

The political situation is only a symptom, not the cause!

In Jesus day, salt was not simply used for flavor.
It was used as a preservative.

Christians that are so blessed to find and appreciated teachings of actual sound doctrine form into a reservoir of salt for maintaining the nation's preservation. God establishes the nation's security and blessings.

BUT! If too many Christians seek subjective emotional preference teachings? The salt diminishes... and with it, that nation goes down the tubes of history.

That is the struggle we have been facing for a number of generations now.

“You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again?
It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled underfoot by men.
Matthew 5:13​
As goes the believer.......So goes the nation.
 

Genez

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Do you know why the 14th Amendment was written?
Scenario....

Two Guatemalan business robbers. A husband and wife team, committed murder while fleeing a robbery. Then fled to Mexico, later to enter the United States illegally.

About a year after hiding away somewhere in southern USA, she gave birth to a baby.
That baby is a citizen. 14th amendment says so?

Now, what does that make that child's illegal parents?
 

Genez

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Watched half of it.

Distorted logic that would seem perfectly logical to those whom the speaker wanted to appeal to.
Lies can have great power. Just look at Satan. His lies grabbed hold of one third of the angels who got to see the Lord first hand.

There is power in the lie for those who feel the truth as a lie.
 
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Well, can't say I'm really surprised. First, Donald lied when he said he'd settle the Ukraine/Russia conflict before he even takes office. He lied again when he said he'd talk to one then the other and then get them together. Now he doesn't even want to talk with Ukraine. Can this guy say anything without lying?

 
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Well, can't say I'm really surprised. First, Donald lied when he said he'd settle the Ukraine/Russia conflict before he even takes office. He lied again when he said he'd talk to one then the other and then get them together. Now he doesn't even want to talk with Ukraine. Can this guy say anything without lying?

Yep I remember him saying that

Also, remember when that American reporter was beheaded in Saudi Arabia.
Trump... " Well they say they didn't do it so I guess that settles it"