About men stealing women!
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Hi Brasspen!
I think most of us are just worried that you haven't fully counted the cost for the things you are wanting to have.
Marriage isn't for the faint of heart, it's a beautiful thing but also takes a lot of responsibility, work and selflessness.
You have also mentioned wanting to be a pastor and a prophet. Those are good things to want. However, they both come with a HUGE amount of responsibility and accountability.
Anyone who accepts a position of Godly authority (including leading a wife or family) will be held to a very high standard by God Himself. I'm just saying that it's something to take seriously.
God can prepare you for whatever He has called you to, but that preparation takes time, dedication to learning His Word, and a heart that is willing to be molded into whatever He wants it to be. I wish you well, but THAT is what you need to focus on right now. Seek ye first the kingdom of God, and all that 😉
Best!
I think most of us are just worried that you haven't fully counted the cost for the things you are wanting to have.
Marriage isn't for the faint of heart, it's a beautiful thing but also takes a lot of responsibility, work and selflessness.
You have also mentioned wanting to be a pastor and a prophet. Those are good things to want. However, they both come with a HUGE amount of responsibility and accountability.
Anyone who accepts a position of Godly authority (including leading a wife or family) will be held to a very high standard by God Himself. I'm just saying that it's something to take seriously.
God can prepare you for whatever He has called you to, but that preparation takes time, dedication to learning His Word, and a heart that is willing to be molded into whatever He wants it to be. I wish you well, but THAT is what you need to focus on right now. Seek ye first the kingdom of God, and all that 😉
Best!
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No - perhaps - not definitely.
I am not saying that there is no way he thinks this - he might - I am saying that - in the context of what he actually said - concerning the 'tradition' and the POV of the rich man - it is possible that he does not necessarily think that - he may be only trying to represent what he thinks the 'tradition'/rich-man-POV to be. In other words, the "Finest and Best" statement may have been made from within the context of the 'tradition'/rich-man-POV. Does this make any sense to you?
It is all-too-easy to quote what he says while leaving out the intent of what he said. Believe me - it happens A LOT on CC - I see it all the time...
Please do not get me wrong - I agree with a lot that you have said. Only - "to be fair" - you may be misreading the intent of some of his statements.
I am not saying that there is no way he thinks this - he might - I am saying that - in the context of what he actually said - concerning the 'tradition' and the POV of the rich man - it is possible that he does not necessarily think that - he may be only trying to represent what he thinks the 'tradition'/rich-man-POV to be. In other words, the "Finest and Best" statement may have been made from within the context of the 'tradition'/rich-man-POV. Does this make any sense to you?
It is all-too-easy to quote what he says while leaving out the intent of what he said. Believe me - it happens A LOT on CC - I see it all the time...
Please do not get me wrong - I agree with a lot that you have said. Only - "to be fair" - you may be misreading the intent of some of his statements.
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This is the reason that so many on here needlessly argue. It is also the reason so many on here often misinterpret some verse/passage of scripture. They do not know how to objectively "read" what is being said - and, not being said - in the context of what is being read/said. Too many people seem to "get stuck on words" - that invoke emotional reactions - that blind them from seeing some of the 'details' of what they are reading. They do not seem to be able to keep the words they are reading aligned with the context in which they are found/used. They 'react' to words before they have the chance to really absorb the real intent and meaning of what they are reading. It happens often on CC.
Hence, they assume that "every word that comes out of the mouth of the poster" is their direct personal belief and opinion - even if they are only trying to explain something from within a specific context that they may or may not actually agree with.
This is not to say that the OP does or does not believe certain particular statements - he may or may not - only that - we should be very careful in our reading of posts to not assume too quickly what is being said by/from ignoring the context. Keeping the words aligned with the context in which they are found/used is absolutely critical if we are to obtain the proper understanding of what is being said.
Hence, they assume that "every word that comes out of the mouth of the poster" is their direct personal belief and opinion - even if they are only trying to explain something from within a specific context that they may or may not actually agree with.
This is not to say that the OP does or does not believe certain particular statements - he may or may not - only that - we should be very careful in our reading of posts to not assume too quickly what is being said by/from ignoring the context. Keeping the words aligned with the context in which they are found/used is absolutely critical if we are to obtain the proper understanding of what is being said.
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Can/Do you see how that the highlighted part of this statement is a representation of the rich man's POV - within the 'tradition' being discussed - while not necessarily the OP's personal POV? The context is separate from the OP's personal POV. Everything said in this quote is being presented within the context of the 'tradition' [that is] being discussed. Make sense?
Can/Do you see how that this quoted statement - in the context of post #33 - is being presented as being [what the OP considers to be] "the opinion of those who "follow" the 'tradition' being discussed" - and, not [necessarily] the personal opinion of the OP?
Folks need to learn how to see things like this - to not "miss" important details that are "locally defined" within the context of what is being said.
When you are dealing with "a context within a context", you need to keep the words aligned with each context. Otherwise, "mishaps" in understanding can occur.
I would readily agree that the OP has some "tainted" views of some things - I have no doubt. However, the way I see it - the "main thrust" and context of his posts in this thread are [mostly] complaining about and disagreeing with the [modern-day] "tradition" (regarding the modern-day approach to marriage) - which he feels is a totally incorrect and wrong way to go about marriage.
Knowing what the Bible says - and, the truth-of-reality in which we live today - most of us will disagree with him. Yet, he has made a few very good points about some things. Did you catch those?
Or, do/did you disregard everything he has said because you disagree with anything/something that he has said?
Of course, [I will also agree that] he is so-very-wrong about some other things.
The point is - be careful not to just "trash" everything the OP has said because you disagree with some particular thing that he said. Instead, consider each thing separately within its own context and intent.
@Brasspen - do not be too angry with these folks - they are trying to help you. You might/would do well also to carefully consider what others have said and not just "trash" it because it would seem disagreeable.
"Food for thought..."
Can/Do you see how that this quoted statement - in the context of post #33 - is being presented as being [what the OP considers to be] "the opinion of those who "follow" the 'tradition' being discussed" - and, not [necessarily] the personal opinion of the OP?
Folks need to learn how to see things like this - to not "miss" important details that are "locally defined" within the context of what is being said.
When you are dealing with "a context within a context", you need to keep the words aligned with each context. Otherwise, "mishaps" in understanding can occur.
I would readily agree that the OP has some "tainted" views of some things - I have no doubt. However, the way I see it - the "main thrust" and context of his posts in this thread are [mostly] complaining about and disagreeing with the [modern-day] "tradition" (regarding the modern-day approach to marriage) - which he feels is a totally incorrect and wrong way to go about marriage.
Knowing what the Bible says - and, the truth-of-reality in which we live today - most of us will disagree with him. Yet, he has made a few very good points about some things. Did you catch those?
Or, do/did you disregard everything he has said because you disagree with anything/something that he has said?
Of course, [I will also agree that] he is so-very-wrong about some other things.
The point is - be careful not to just "trash" everything the OP has said because you disagree with some particular thing that he said. Instead, consider each thing separately within its own context and intent.
@Brasspen - do not be too angry with these folks - they are trying to help you. You might/would do well also to carefully consider what others have said and not just "trash" it because it would seem disagreeable.
"Food for thought..."
The faithful 40% are more worthy of note than the unfaithful 60%.
And nobody is trying to assassinate your character. You're saddled with a pessimistic perspective, because you're spinning in a loop of defeatism and self-pity.
Being single is not some hopeless impediment and marriage is not a remedy. If we feel we lack anything, it's because we are not yet filled with the Lord. To be wholly known and flawlessly loved is only fulfilled through a relationship with Jesus Christ.
That's the message people are trying to convey to you.
And nobody is trying to assassinate your character. You're saddled with a pessimistic perspective, because you're spinning in a loop of defeatism and self-pity.
Being single is not some hopeless impediment and marriage is not a remedy. If we feel we lack anything, it's because we are not yet filled with the Lord. To be wholly known and flawlessly loved is only fulfilled through a relationship with Jesus Christ.
That's the message people are trying to convey to you.
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To me, it seems the problem might be with you rather than the girls? The 6 - 12 months is because women struggle to make up their minds, and she wouldn't want to make a mistake with something that lasts a lifetime like marriage. There is likely a reason the girls are leaving you - perhaps they dislike the idea of you considering them like cattle?
If you don't like this tradition, perhaps go somewhere further afield where there are other traditions? In some places, one can purchase a wife for the price of a camel, several goats and a couple chickens. But there are responsibilities that go along with that, so be sure to consider these before making your vows.
If you don't like this tradition, perhaps go somewhere further afield where there are other traditions? In some places, one can purchase a wife for the price of a camel, several goats and a couple chickens. But there are responsibilities that go along with that, so be sure to consider these before making your vows.
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Several goats?
One camel and a couple of chickens I can swing, but how many goats is several? More than three? Less than a hundred? This could become more expensive than I can handle.
I can do eight goats. Is that enough? My budget will stretch to eight. Maybe nine, depending on her sense of humor.
One camel and a couple of chickens I can swing, but how many goats is several? More than three? Less than a hundred? This could become more expensive than I can handle.
I can do eight goats. Is that enough? My budget will stretch to eight. Maybe nine, depending on her sense of humor.
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Oh, the irony.
The hypocritical crybaby you are defending on a thread entitled "About men stealing women!" has already admitted to having sexual relations with another man's wife, and he fathered a child through that adulterous relationship.
What do you think God thinks about this, O great interpreter of the intent of other peoples' words? How about a child growing up not even knowing who his biological father is? Do you think God's face is shining down upon the man who created this situation? But wait! There's more!
Here, the poor unmarried crybaby admits to having two boys. Where did they come from? This is the type of guy you want to be defending in your own ignorance, and not mine?
Seriously, take your own advice before even attempting to give it to somebody else. Unlike you, I actually know what I am talking about.
The hypocritical crybaby you are defending on a thread entitled "About men stealing women!" has already admitted to having sexual relations with another man's wife, and he fathered a child through that adulterous relationship.
What do you think God thinks about this, O great interpreter of the intent of other peoples' words? How about a child growing up not even knowing who his biological father is? Do you think God's face is shining down upon the man who created this situation? But wait! There's more!
Here, the poor unmarried crybaby admits to having two boys. Where did they come from? This is the type of guy you want to be defending in your own ignorance, and not mine?
Seriously, take your own advice before even attempting to give it to somebody else. Unlike you, I actually know what I am talking about.
I am not defending him - not in the slightest - my earlier remarks are not about him - the person - what he has-or-has-not done - or anything else of the sort.
Not to mention - I have not read any of the other thread you referenced. If I read every post he has made in every thread he has posted to - I might actually agree with you concerning his character, etc. - but, that was/is not my focus in this issue.
All you have done is prove my point. You just did to me what you did to him earlier - misunderstood the intent of what was written in the post - and, emotionally reacted to it.
My remarks were strictly about how folks misinterpret what others have written - the words, grammar, intent, meaning, etc. - in any particular post that someone writes and submits to a thread. They had absolutely nothing to do with him as a person, his character, etc. They had everything to do with folks reacting to the posts of others without first making sure they properly understood what was really actually being said in the post they are reacting to.
Calm down - be at peace - I am not against you - I was only pointing out something that I see on here quite often - trying to raise awareness of/to it.
In general - from reading your posts - I would say we agree on much. For what it may be worth, please keep this in mind.
My making reference to one of your posts does not mean that I was trying to target you in any way. This is something else I see on here a lot - people misinterpreting the reason why someone quoted something they said. To quote another CC member is making reference to something they said - nothing more and nothing less - it does not automatically mean you disagree with them or any other such thing. It does not even necessarily mean that you are directing your comments/remarks at them specifically. Sometimes, it can be 'to the crowd'. This must be determined from the way those comments/remarks are presented.
Folks should not be so quick to be offended simply because another CC member makes reference to something they said.
Again, this was/is not about him - at all. It was/is about "everyone else" - how folks [fail to properly] 'discern' what is actually being said in some particular post.
You may certainly know what you are talking about - but - I am not so sure you yet understand what I am talking about.
I am not so sure you are paying enough attention to what others are saying. Please STOP - WAIT - carefully consider what is being said - before you respond.
Please do not - in your own mind - make others say what you want them to say - this is the problem.
Instead, "listen" calmly and objectively without emotion to what others are saying - until you are certain that you are not assuming anything that they did not actually say.
I am not against you, brother. Please try to believe that...
Not to mention - I have not read any of the other thread you referenced. If I read every post he has made in every thread he has posted to - I might actually agree with you concerning his character, etc. - but, that was/is not my focus in this issue.
All you have done is prove my point. You just did to me what you did to him earlier - misunderstood the intent of what was written in the post - and, emotionally reacted to it.
My remarks were strictly about how folks misinterpret what others have written - the words, grammar, intent, meaning, etc. - in any particular post that someone writes and submits to a thread. They had absolutely nothing to do with him as a person, his character, etc. They had everything to do with folks reacting to the posts of others without first making sure they properly understood what was really actually being said in the post they are reacting to.
Calm down - be at peace - I am not against you - I was only pointing out something that I see on here quite often - trying to raise awareness of/to it.
In general - from reading your posts - I would say we agree on much. For what it may be worth, please keep this in mind.
My making reference to one of your posts does not mean that I was trying to target you in any way. This is something else I see on here a lot - people misinterpreting the reason why someone quoted something they said. To quote another CC member is making reference to something they said - nothing more and nothing less - it does not automatically mean you disagree with them or any other such thing. It does not even necessarily mean that you are directing your comments/remarks at them specifically. Sometimes, it can be 'to the crowd'. This must be determined from the way those comments/remarks are presented.
Folks should not be so quick to be offended simply because another CC member makes reference to something they said.
Again, this was/is not about him - at all. It was/is about "everyone else" - how folks [fail to properly] 'discern' what is actually being said in some particular post.
You may certainly know what you are talking about - but - I am not so sure you yet understand what I am talking about.
I am not so sure you are paying enough attention to what others are saying. Please STOP - WAIT - carefully consider what is being said - before you respond.
Please do not - in your own mind - make others say what you want them to say - this is the problem.
Instead, "listen" calmly and objectively without emotion to what others are saying - until you are certain that you are not assuming anything that they did not actually say.
I am not against you, brother. Please try to believe that...
K
I am not defending him - not in the slightest - my earlier remarks are not about him - the person - what he has-or-has-not done - or anything else of the sort.
Not to mention - I have not read any of the other thread you referenced. If I read every post he has made in every thread he has posted to - I might actually agree with you concerning his character, etc. - but, that was/is not my focus in this issue.
All you have done is prove my point. You just did to me what you did to him earlier - misunderstood the intent of what was written in the post - and, emotionally react to it.
My remarks were strictly about how folks misinterpret what others have written - the words, grammar, intent, meaning, etc. - in any particular post that someone writes and submits to a thread. They had absolutely nothing to do with him as a person, his character, etc. They had everything to do with folks reacting to the posts of others without first making sure they properly understood what was really actually being said in the post they are reacting to.
Calm down - be at peace - I am not against you - I was only pointing out something that I see on here quite often - trying to raise awareness of/to it.
In general - from reading your posts - I would say we agree on much. For what it may be worth, please keep this in mind.
My making reference to one of your posts does not mean that I was trying to target you in any way. This is something else I see on here a lot - people misinterpreting the reason why someone quoted something they said. To quote another CC member is making reference to something they said - nothing more and nothing less - it does not automatically mean you disagree with them or any other such thing. It does not even necessarily mean that you are directing your comments/remarks at them specifically. Sometimes, it can be 'to the crowd'. This must be determined from the way those comments/remarks are presented.
Folks should not be so quick to be offended simply because another CC member makes reference to something they said.
Again, this was/is not about him - at all. It was/is about "everyone else" - how folks [fail to properly] 'discern' what is actually being said in some particular post.
You may certainly know what you are talking about - but - I am not so sure you yet understand what I am talking about.
I am not so sure you are paying enough attention to what others are saying. Please STOP - WAIT - carefully consider what is being said - before you respond.
Please do not - in your own mind - make others say what you want them to say - this is the problem.
Instead, "listen" calmly and objectively without emotion to what others are saying - until you are certain that you are not assuming anything that they did not actually say.
I am not against you, brother. Please try to believe that...
Not to mention - I have not read any of the other thread you referenced. If I read every post he has made in every thread he has posted to - I might actually agree with you concerning his character, etc. - but, that was/is not my focus in this issue.
All you have done is prove my point. You just did to me what you did to him earlier - misunderstood the intent of what was written in the post - and, emotionally react to it.
My remarks were strictly about how folks misinterpret what others have written - the words, grammar, intent, meaning, etc. - in any particular post that someone writes and submits to a thread. They had absolutely nothing to do with him as a person, his character, etc. They had everything to do with folks reacting to the posts of others without first making sure they properly understood what was really actually being said in the post they are reacting to.
Calm down - be at peace - I am not against you - I was only pointing out something that I see on here quite often - trying to raise awareness of/to it.
In general - from reading your posts - I would say we agree on much. For what it may be worth, please keep this in mind.
My making reference to one of your posts does not mean that I was trying to target you in any way. This is something else I see on here a lot - people misinterpreting the reason why someone quoted something they said. To quote another CC member is making reference to something they said - nothing more and nothing less - it does not automatically mean you disagree with them or any other such thing. It does not even necessarily mean that you are directing your comments/remarks at them specifically. Sometimes, it can be 'to the crowd'. This must be determined from the way those comments/remarks are presented.
Folks should not be so quick to be offended simply because another CC member makes reference to something they said.
Again, this was/is not about him - at all. It was/is about "everyone else" - how folks [fail to properly] 'discern' what is actually being said in some particular post.
You may certainly know what you are talking about - but - I am not so sure you yet understand what I am talking about.
I am not so sure you are paying enough attention to what others are saying. Please STOP - WAIT - carefully consider what is being said - before you respond.
Please do not - in your own mind - make others say what you want them to say - this is the problem.
Instead, "listen" calmly and objectively without emotion to what others are saying - until you are certain that you are not assuming anything that they did not actually say.
I am not against you, brother. Please try to believe that...
I deliberately mentioned other threads so that nobody would mistakenly think that my comments here pertained only to what was written in this thread.
Anyhow, as always, I am calm as can be as I type. You interjected emotion into my response which does not truly exist.
You can have the last word, but I do not retract a single word that I said about this poster. Of course, that includes what I said about me be willing to help him sort through some of his issues. Apparently, that will not be happening...especially since he has convinced himself that I am not even a Christian. Whatever. God knows better, so I am good.
Bye...