Are they saved or not?
If they in the end can end up not saved, then they are not saved are they?
Your either saved or your not
If salvation can be lost. YOUR NOT SAVED!!!!
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If they in the end can end up not saved, then they are not saved are they?
Your either saved or your not
If salvation can be lost. YOUR NOT SAVED!!!!
"Obedience does not equal earning and this is the sin that you are lodging against many here."
Correct, because there is no qualitative difference between faith that accepts God’s saving grace at conversion and faith that accepts God’s working grace while walking/living (EPH 2:8-10, 2CR 5:7, RM 1:17), but only a quantitative difference as each additional moment passes–and of course faith remains non-meritorious during the saint’s entire lifetime.
"Biblical defenition" ???
Apostasy has nothing to do with "truth". It is simply the betrayal of a faith or other belief system.
You are either special or a rather dishonest poster.
BTW, what is a biblical definition of apostasy? I can't wait to here this.
You: "If they in the end can end up not saved, then they are not saved are they?"
Do you think people cannot see through your sidestepping?
If a person ends up not saved on judgement day does that mean that the person was never saved?
Yes or No?
Just be honest.
No he does not need to explain because he never made such a claim.
You are being absurd with these claims.
And that goes for Heishere as well.
lol..
Sorry bro, I do not interpret the word to fit my belief system.
A child of God is Gods child. purchased by his blood. adopted by him, sealed by his spirit.
he is born forever. He can not unbirth himself..
But you go ahead and keep believing this.. You answer to God why he would do such a thing
Dude, you have a serious issue with comprehension. I already answered this,, Numerous times
If a person is condemned on judgment day, they were already condemned, because they did not believe. (john 3)
so according to Jesus, where they ever saved??
NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Actually yes he did, you all have
I am not the one saying I can lose salvation because I failed to do what I need to do to keep it. That's you.
I would ask you to quote an example but you are the one who does not understand the difference between quoting and surmising.
If you mean apostasy by failing then yes you can lose your salvation.
Do you honestly think people cannot see what you are doing???
That was not my question.
Here is the question;
If a person ends up not saved on judgement day does that mean that the person was never saved?
Yes or No?
Stop changing the question and simply answer it. What are you afraid of?
Here you have the son lost until he merited his fathers forgiveness by acting
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then you must earn it by using your own power to stay in faith.
any way you spin it, it is still trying to merit salvation
to you salvation is a downpayment by God to get you to do what he wants, fail to accomplish that. he taes the gift back.
You are surmising that the act of returning to the father was merit.
You are not quoting merit you are surmising merit. Merit is not in your example.
Can you not see the difference?
what I am doing, or what you are doing?
1. same as asking, If a person is condemned on judgment day.
does that mean they were never saved
in which I annswered
to which I replied
stop trying to manipulate and attack as if I did not answer. to make yourself look good.
or at the very least. learn to comprehend what people say
If this work was required to be resaved as his son, then yes, it is a work of merti.
its obvious you do not understand what works of merit are.
I am not surmising anything
I am stating a fact.
Also. the fact the child NEVER stopped being the son. He did not have to come back to continue being a son HE WAS STILL A SON.
He had his fellowship restored. he never lost his sonship.
either way. I showed someone who was trying to merit salvation. I did what you asked.
NKJ Matthew 14:30 But when he saw that the wind was boisterous1, he was afraid; and beginning to sink he cried out, saying, "Lord, save me!"