Hermeneutics: Interpreting Scripture

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Okay, here is what I spit:

The kerygma/GRFS should be every Christian’s creed, and only belief in this crucial truth should be viewed as a test for orthodoxy or heresy. As Paul wrote in Romans 10:9, “If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.” Conversely, judgments concerning a person’s spiritual orientation or ultimate destiny should not be made on the basis of didachaic or secondary doctrines. (If any judgment is made, it should begin with a self-examination per MT 7:1&5, 2CR 13:5-8).

A major reason many Christians throughout history have not manifested the love and unity of God’s Spirit (EPH 4:3) as well as they should is because of failure to realize this truth. If they did, it would free them to speak honestly and fellowship without becoming unduly upset about relatively minor issues. They would receive God’s blessing as peacemakers, who draw inclusive circles around people based on the kerygma rather than denominational lines between them due to didachaic differences. Jesus prayed for spiritual unity (cf. JN 17:20-23, “May they be one…”).

The normative way of stating the kerygma/GRFS in the NT is “Accept Christ Jesus as Lord” (as in 2CR 4:5 & CL 2:6). The main points of Christian orthodoxy implicit in this statement can be explained or elaborated as follows:

  1. There is a/one all-loving and just Lord or God (DT 6:4, JN 3:16, 2THS 1:6), who is both able (2TM 1:12) and willing (1TM 2:3-4) to provide all morally accountable human beings salvation or heaven—a wonderful life full of love, joy and peace forever.
  2. Human beings are selfish or sinful (RM 3:23, 2TM 3:2-4, CL 3:5), miserable (GL 5:19-21), and hopeless (EPH 2:12) or hell-bound at the judgment (MT 23:33 & 25:46) when they reject God’s salvation (JN 3:18, RM 2:5-11).
  3. Jesus is God’s Messiah/Christ and incarnate Son, the way that God has chosen (JN 3:16, ACTS 16:30-31, PHP 2:9-11) of providing salvation by means of his atoning death on the cross for the payment of the penalty for the sins of humanity (RM 3:22-25 & 5:9-11), followed by his resurrection to reign in heaven (1CR 15:14-28).
  4. Thus, every person who hears the NT Gospel needs to repent and accept God in Jesus as Christ/Messiah the Lord or Supreme Commander (LK 2:11, JN 14:6, ACTS 16:31), which means trying to obey His commandment to love one another (MT 22:37-40, JN 13:35, RM 13:9)—forever (MT 10:22, PS 113:2).
  5. Then God’s Holy Spirit will establish a saving relationship with those who freely accept Him (RV 3:20) that will eventually achieve heaven when by means of persevering in learning Truth/God’s Word everyone cooperates fully with His will (JN 14:6, 17&26, RM 8:6-17, GL 6:7-9, EPH 1:13-14, HB 10:36, 12:1, JM 1:2-4).
For those following along.
The claim: everyone who professes this creed, kerygma (see above points 1-5) should be accepted as a brother, without judgement, regardless of their position on secondary doctrines. Throughout church history a major cause of division is failure to adhere to this creed, lack of inclusivity and by false judgment on “secondary doctrines”.
Does that sound about right? @GWH

Galatians.
As we all know, Galatians is about justification by faith. In Galatians we see Paul condemning Jews who “believed” but added works. Let that sink in.

Paul judged, quite harshly, these men who affirmed your creed, your kerygma, men who claimed to believe.

This is just one scriptural example that should cause your reevaluation.

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I can almost here the Judaizers now: why is Paul judging us, we believe Jesus is the Christ… Why is he causing this division…
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Notes for your private consideration: Your points 1-5 say nothing about justification by faith alone (the word faith isn’t even used actually) Would this doctrine be considered “secondary” to you?
There is mention however, that one must attempt to keep the commandments of Jesus.

So, we have no mention of faith, a pinch of effort and a call for less judgment and more inclusivity in the name of unity.

Frankly, this sounds like something straight out of the Catholic playbook.
 

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For those following along.
The claim: everyone who professes this creed, kerygma (see above points 1-5) should be accepted as a brother, without judgement, regardless of their position on secondary doctrines. Throughout church history a major cause of division is failure to adhere to this creed, lack of inclusivity and by false judgment on “secondary doctrines”.
Does that sound about right? @GWH

Galatians.
As we all know, Galatians is about justification by faith. In Galatians we see Paul condemning Jews who “believed” but added works. Let that sink in.

Paul judged, quite harshly, these men who affirmed your creed, your kerygma, men who claimed to believe.

This is just one scriptural example that should cause your reevaluation.

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I can almost here the Judaizers now: why is Paul judging us, we believe Jesus is the Christ… Why is he causing this division…
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Notes for your private consideration: Your points 1-5 say nothing about justification by faith alone (the word faith isn’t even used actually) Would this doctrine be considered “secondary” to you?
There is mention however, that one must attempt to keep the commandments of Jesus.

So, we have no mention of faith, a pinch of effort and a call for less judgment and more inclusivity in the name of unity.

Frankly, this sounds like something straight out of the Catholic playbook.
Paul condemned those who perverted the Gospel creed by what they added (GL 1:6-9).

The creed is Paul's, as you should have realized from the citations from his writings.

Regarding not using the phrase "justification by faith alone", it is implied by the use of "repent, accept, Christ, Lord and obey" in #4:

Thus, every person who hears the NT Gospel needs to repent and accept God in Jesus as Christ/Messiah the Lord or Supreme Commander (LK 2:11, JN 14:6, ACTS 16:31), which means trying to obey His commandment to love one another (MT 22:37-40, JN 13:35, RM 13:9)—forever (MT 10:22, PS 113:2).

However, I will consider adding Luther's phrase to that point on my website, so thanks for the feedback.
 

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Paul condemned those who perverted the Gospel creed by what they added (GL 1:6-9)…
Yes, Paul condemned professing believers-wrinkles your premise bubba.

Joel Osteen is a professing evangelical, affirms your kerygma, doesn’t openly teach faith plus law. Are we to accept ole Joel in the name of unity and blessing? I’m sure Joel and the like would say yes. But I say, no way Jose.

I think Johnny Mac said it best. Joel is a pagan religionist, a quasi pantheist who uses Jesus to satisfy his critics and deceive his followers…

What say you? At what point do you condemn an “evangelical”, abortion, homosexuality, drug use, physical abuse?

We are commanded to judge but judge rightly so perhaps a better question is, how do we rightly judge one who affirms kerygma but, seems a bit off?

How do we spot the Ravi Zacharias types before their transgressions are revealed? How to avoid the Francis Chan’s? Yes, this would make for a more helpful thread than seeking blanket immunity for your kerygma adherents, would it not?
 

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Yes, Paul condemned professing believers-wrinkles your premise bubba.

Joel Osteen is a professing evangelical, affirms your kerygma, doesn’t openly teach faith plus law. Are we to accept ole Joel in the name of unity and blessing? I’m sure Joel and the like would say yes. But I say, no way Jose.

I think Johnny Mac said it best. Joel is a pagan religionist, a quasi pantheist who uses Jesus to satisfy his critics and deceive his followers…

What say you? At what point do you condemn an “evangelical”, abortion, homosexuality, drug use, physical abuse?

We are commanded to judge but judge rightly so perhaps a better question is, how do we rightly judge one who affirms kerygma but, seems a bit off?

How do we spot the Ravi Zacharias types before their transgressions are revealed? How to avoid the Francis Chan’s? Yes, this would make for a more helpful thread than seeking blanket immunity for your kerygma adherents, would it not?
Okay, #4 in the kerygma/creed now says: Thus, every person who hears the NT Gospel needs to repent and accept God’s justification in Jesus as Christ/Messiah the Lord or Supreme Commander (LK 2:11, JN 14:6, ACTS 16:31), which means trying to obey His commandment to love one another (MT 22:37-40, JN 13:35, RM 13:9)—forever (MT 10:22, PS 113:2).

Yes, Paul condemned professing believers for perverting the Gospel.
(Not sure why you thought it wrinkles my premise.)

Yes, Osteen's Gospel is problematic tending toward perversion.

Yes, we are commanded to judge rightly by learning GW regarding various moral issues.

I am not very familiar with Z or C., so please answer those questions you asked.
 

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I would like to understand how do you (GWH) interpret scripture? Do you have any methods? There are some verses that are quite difficult to understand all through the Bible where we might need to give a bit of leeway to others who have different views. Especially if it doesn’t affect one’s daily walk with Christ.
 

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I would like to understand how do you (GWH) interpret scripture? Do you have any methods? There are some verses that are quite difficult to understand all through the Bible where we might need to give a bit of leeway to others who have different views. Especially if it doesn’t affect one’s daily walk with Christ.
A hermeneutic or set of parameters for interpreting the Bible that I recommend begins with the instruction of Paul (1THS 5:21) to “Test everything. Hold on to the good.” A truthseeker is guided by the question: What is most true or the best interpretation of God’s Word? Recognizing that discerning truth is subjective or fallible, I seek to be as objective or right as possible by learning from other truthseekers (especially the apostle Paul and other NT writers) via dialogue when possible.

As a result of seeking ultimate truth, a person might come to value two NT teachings as key points from which to triangulate or use to guide an interpretation of the Bible, especially problematic statements. First, God loves and wants to save everyone (1TM 2:3-4); Christ died to show God’s love and the possible salvation of all (RM 5:6-8) including His enemies (ungodly, atheist, anti-Christ). Second, God is just (2THS 1:6a, cf. RM 3:25-26 & 9:14, DT 32:4, PS 36:6, LK 11:42, RV 15:3). Explanations of God’s Word should not be blasphemous or impugn God’s justice and love for all people (JL 2:13, JN 3:16). This parameter is affirmed in the OT (PS 145:17): “The Lord is righteous in all his ways, and holy in all his works.”

This principle leads one to conclude that (third) even the wrath of God is an expression of His love and justice. The writer of Hebrews (12:4-11) indicates that divine wrath is intended as discipline or for the purpose of teaching people to repent of their hatefulness and faithlessness (PR 3:12, IS 33:14-15 RV 3:19). If a righteous explanation cannot be found for a passage of Scripture purporting to describe God’s will (such as JSH 6:17-24, 8:2&24 & 10:28-40, 11:6-23), then it should be considered as historical or descriptive of what people perceived rather than as pedagogical or prescriptive of God’s nature. Unrighteous rage should not be attributed to God.

The justice of God is a source of comfort and joy to those who have decided to accept His loving Lordship, but it is experienced as judgment or wrath by those who rebel against Him (IS 13:13, RM 1:18, RV 19:11). The fire that warms (purifies) also burns (punishes). Stating God’s requirement for salvation negatively: a person would do well (be wise) not to reject Him in order not to experience the miserable but just consequence (JN 3:17-18). Just consequences teach good behavior.

Another important element in this hermeneutic is that a truthseeker must be satisfied with obtaining sufficient knowledge of evidence rather than absolute certainty or proof (2CR 5:7). IMO, a logical train of thought leads an unbiased truthseeker to have a propensity to believe in an all-loving God, who is not tricky and does not hide the way to heaven (HB 11:6, ACTS 13:10). Knowledge of history makes a truthseeker aware that humanity’s understanding of God evolved or progressed through the millenniums, so that the OT was superseded by the NT, which is the apex of divine revelation (HB 7:18, 8:13, 9:15).

The method employed in this hermeneutic is additive or eclectic as taught by Paul (in 1THS 5:21), exemplified by Jesus (in MT 4:6-7) and illustrated by the transparent overlays of bodily systems found in some books on anatomy. An interpreter should want to include all true assertions in the picture of reality without making a “Procrustean Body” by cutting off or ignoring parts that do not seem to fit, because the correct understanding must be self-consistent or else God would be tricky. The whole truth combines parts without sawing!

The Bible says God’s Spirit is love and truth (1JN 4:8 & 5:6), which means all love (agape, RM 6:5-8) in all people is God’s operation, and all truth in all cultures is God’s revelation. Thus, becoming a Christian theist does not mean rejecting what is good and true in one’s pre-Christian experience or culture. As the philosopher Hegel taught: when considering two different understandings (thesis A versus antithesis B), the truth may not be either one or the other but rather the proper harmonization of the two. (Both A and B = synthesis C.)

The Bible teaches (GN 1:3, JN 1:1-3) that (9.) both the world and inspired words are expressions of God’s Word/Logos, and thus both scientific and spiritual truths must be compatible or else God would be tricky. So, while belief that God is love and Jesus is Lord is based upon the biblical revelation, knowledge also is gleaned from the natural sciences and common sense. While this interpretation of reality is based on the Bible, it also utilizes logical thinking, especially where the Bible seems silent, hoping to be guided by the Logos or Spirit of Truth (JN 14:17). Logic is the way every sane soul has direct access to the supreme Mind of Christ or Logos (1CR 2:11-16).

Right reasoning serves as spiritual glue that connects and harmonizes biblical dots, binding all individual truths together in one Word/Scripture and catholic or universal faith. Divinely inspired logic provides the rationale for believing that the history of humanity and God's plan of salvation is not a farce, and it sustains or encourages the hope of experiencing love and joy in a future heavenly existence. The beauty of this hermeneutic is the harmonization of whatever is good and true. However, I realize that—just as frequently happens when a person shares favorite musical or scenic beauty with someone else—it may not move your soul like mine (MT 11:16-17).
 

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Here are some ideas for promoting Constructive Communication on CC (that I try to practice, not merely preach):

1. Always "make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace" (EPH 4:3) or to answer the prayer for unity by Jesus (JN 17:20-23).

2. Whenever someone offends you (MT 18:15), immediately explain why (MT 5:25), and as far as it depends on you (RM 12:18), be reconciled before proceeding (MT 5:23).

3. Avoid getting stuck going in circles (2TM 2:16), because arguing will become ungodly quarrelling (1TM 6:4) and foment a foolish and divisive spirit (TIT 3:9-10). If your point cannot be made in 2 or 3 tries, move on.

4. Also avoid the temptation to react before we think and make an ad hominem attack instead of addressing the issue.

5. Employ proper discussion techniques, such as providing quotes of what we think is objectionable, so that we do not make false accusations.

6. Also adopt "both-and" harmonization of interpretations as your default way of thinking instead of being quick to disagree on the basis of "either-or", because the goal should be to learn truth rather than to win an argument.

7. Be wary of projecting our own sinful/hateful tendencies onto others instead of accentuating God’s love and justness, because attributing hatred of sinners to God borders on blasphemy.

8. Persevere in being humble or teachable, admitting our fallibility rather than viewing ourselves as a pope.

LIC, GWH
 

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Here are some ideas for promoting Constructive Communication on CC (that I try to practice, not merely preach):

1. Always "make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace" (EPH 4:3) or to answer the prayer for unity by Jesus (JN 17:20-23).

2. Whenever someone offends you (MT 18:15), immediately explain why (MT 5:25), and as far as it depends on you (RM 12:18), be reconciled before proceeding (MT 5:23).

3. Avoid getting stuck going in circles (2TM 2:16), because arguing will become ungodly quarrelling (1TM 6:4) and foment a foolish and divisive spirit (TIT 3:9-10). If your point cannot be made in 2 or 3 tries, move on.

4. Also avoid the temptation to react before we think and make an ad hominem attack instead of addressing the issue.

5. Employ proper discussion techniques, such as providing quotes of what we think is objectionable, so that we do not make false accusations.

6. Also adopt "both-and" harmonization of interpretations as your default way of thinking instead of being quick to disagree on the basis of "either-or", because the goal should be to learn truth rather than to win an argument.

7. Be wary of projecting our own sinful/hateful tendencies onto others instead of accentuating God’s love and justness, because attributing hatred of sinners to God borders on blasphemy.

8. Persevere in being humble or teachable, admitting our fallibility rather than viewing ourselves as a pope.

LIC, GWH
1-4 is extremely tough for me
 

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1-4 is extremely tough for me
Well, it helps to have a bad memory, but at least you can look at the glass as half full.

I have learned that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure,
but it is tricky to defend oneself without offending the accuser.
 

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A song about the theme of this thread by M.W. Smith:

Thy Word

Thy Word is a lamp unto my feet and a light unto my path
Thy Word is a lamp unto my feet and a light unto my path
When I feel afraid, Think I've lost my way
Still you're there right beside me
And nothing will I fear As long as you are near
Please be near me to the end

Thy Word is a lamp unto my feet and a light unto my path
Thy Word is a lamp unto my feet and a light unto my path
I will not forget Your love for me and yet
My heart forever is wandering
Jesus be my guide And hold me to your side
I will love you to the end
Nothing will I fear as long as you are near
Please be near me to the end

Thy Word is a lamp unto my feet and a light unto my path
Thy Word is a lamp unto my feet and a light unto my path
And a light unto my path; You're the light unto my path

(Does anyone else have a song lyric to share about GW? :^)
 

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What about this oldie?

Standing on the promises of Christ, my King,
Through eternal ages let his praises ring;
Glory in the highest, I will shout and sing,
Standing on the promises of God.

Refrain:
Standing, standing, Standing on the promises of God, my Savior;
Standing, standing, I'm standing on the promises of God.

Standing on the promises that cannot fail.
When the howling storms of doubt and fear assail,
By the living Word of God I shall prevail,
Standing on the promises of God. [Refrain]

Standing on the promises of Christ, the Lord,
Bound to him eternally by love's strong cord,
Overcoming daily with the Spirit's sword,
Standing on the promises of God. [Refrain]

Standing on the promises I cannot fall,
List'ning ev'ry moment to the Spirit's call,
Resting in my Savior as my all in all,
Standing on the promises of God. [Refrain]
 

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Jesus said something about hermeneutics in JN 3:39-40&46, "You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life... If you believed Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote about me."

Paul also taught this in ACTS 26:22b-23, "I am saying nothing beyond what the prophets and Moses said would happen--that the Messiah would suffer and, as the first to rise from the dead, would bring the message of light to his own people and to the Gentiles."

Are there any other passages that directly pertain to this topic?
 
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Jesus said something about hermeneutics in JN 3:39-40&46, "You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life... If you believed Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote about me."

Paul also taught this in ACTS 26:22b-23, "I am saying nothing beyond what the prophets and Moses said would happen--that the Messiah would suffer and, as the first to rise from the dead, would bring the message of light to his own people and to the Gentiles."

Are there any other passages that directly pertain to this topic?
Much of Hebrews is on the subject of interpreting the OT in light of the NT, because the Gospel of Christ has superseded salvation via obeying the Mosaic Law.

Also, Paul provides examples of viewing OT passages as foreshadowing NT doctrine, such as the story of Hagar and Sarah in GL 4:21-31 and the example of Abraham's faith in RM 4 (cf. HB 11).

Peter alluded to Paul's letters containing some things hard to understand (in 2PT 3:15-16), but he did not offer help with their interpretation.

Perhaps 2TM 3:15-17 should be viewed as Paul's hermeneutic for interpreting the OT. What does it teach us?
 
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Much of Hebrews is on the subject of interpreting the OT in light of the NT, because the Gospel of Christ has superseded salvation via obeying the Mosaic Law.

Also, Paul provides examples of viewing OT passages as foreshadowing NT doctrine, such as the story of Hagar and Sarah in GL 4:21-31 and the example of Abraham's faith in RM 4 (cf. HB 11).

Peter alluded to Paul's letters containing some things hard to understand (in 2PT 3:15-16), but he did not offer help with their interpretation.

Perhaps 2TM 3:15-17 should be viewed as Paul's hermeneutic for interpreting the OT. What does it teach us?
TOP #255: By learning Scripture Christians may be wise regarding correct doctrine, rebuking and righteousness, becoming equipped for doing good works. [2TM 3:14-17&4:2] Paul applies this truth by charging Timothy with preaching God’s Word, correcting false doctrine, rebuking sin and encouraging.

Regarding the implications for interpreting Scripture, we see correct doctrine is the goal that is mentioned, and it should be obvious that for Paul the Gospel of Christ is the main emphasis, and the most severe rebuke Paul is recorded to have done was directed at those who perverted the Gospel by reverting to salvation via obeying moral law (in GL 1:6-9, 3:1-14 & 5:1-12).

Another important although secondary emphasis in Paul's epistles are teachings about becoming morally righteous in practice, and so we find Paul rebuking sinful behavior in several passages (e.g., GL 5:19-21, RM 1:18-2:8, 1CR 6:12-20, etc.) as well as commanding loving behavior/good works.

Thus, CC posts should have the same emphases when interpreting GW rather than argue about minor molehills.
 
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At this point I would like to remind everyone that the goal in this thread is to discuss how to answer Christ's prayer for spiritual unity by agreeing on the interpretation of Scripture upstream of where we diverge or disagree. I have proposed a summary of the God's requirement for salvation or Gospel kerygma “Accept Christ Jesus as Lord” (as in 2CR 4:5 & CL 2:6) with the following five points:
  1. There is a/one all-loving and just Lord or God (DT 6:4, JN 3:16, 2THS 1:6), who is both able (2TM 1:12) and willing (1TM 2:3-4) to provide all morally accountable human beings salvation or heaven—a wonderful life full of love, joy and peace forever.
  2. Human beings are selfish or sinful (RM 3:23, 2TM 3:2-4, CL 3:5), miserable (GL 5:19-21), and hopeless (EPH 2:12) or hell-bound at the judgment (MT 23:33 & 25:46) when they reject God’s salvation (JN 3:18, RM 2:5-11).
  3. Jesus is God’s Messiah/Christ and incarnate Son, the way that God has chosen (JN 3:16, ACTS 16:30-31, PHP 2:9-11) of providing salvation by means of his atoning death on the cross for the payment of the penalty for the sins of humanity (RM 3:22-25 & 5:9-11), followed by his resurrection to reign in heaven (1CR 15:14-28).
  4. Thus, every person who hears the NT Gospel needs to repent and accept God’s justification in Jesus as Christ/Messiah the Lord or Supreme Commander (LK 2:11, JN 14:6, ACTS 16:31), which means trying to obey His commandment to love one another (MT 22:37-40, JN 13:35, RM 13:9)—forever (MT 10:22, PS 113:2).
  5. Then God’s Holy Spirit will establish a saving relationship with those who freely accept Him (RV 3:20) that will eventually achieve heaven when by means of persevering in learning Truth/God’s Word/sanctification everyone cooperates fully with His will (JN 14:6, 17&26, RM 8:6-17, GL 6:7-9, EPH 1:13-14, HB 10:36, 12:1, JM 1:2-4).
Assuming that we all agree on the main thing, I would like to explore a Bible-based way of interpreting Scripture with the hope that we can also arrive at agreement regarding a lot of secondary doctrines, so let us see what is taught or exemplified by Jesus and Paul.

1. Jesus said (in JN 3:39-40&46) that the OT including Moses should be understood as testifying about him, and this is what Paul said (in ACTS 26:22b-23) that he did, citing the prophets and Moses as saying the Messiah would suffer and rise from the dead, and bring the message of light (Gospel of salvation) both to his own people and to the Gentiles.

2. Jesus taught that souls should learn God's Word (in MT 4:4//LK 4:4] or Truth (JN 16:13, 17:17), and he exemplified (in MT 4:5-7) that we should harmonize Scripture rather than be deceived by the devil's proof-texting.

3. Paul taught (in 1THS 5:21) that saints should test everything and hold on to the good or true, which implies the need to discern what Scripture should be utilized in such testing or interpreting.

I recommend two biblical teachings or truths for guiding one's interpretation of the Bible, especially problematic statements:

First, 1TM 2:3-4 - "God our savior wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth." This verse is in the same vein as 2PT 3:9b - "The Lord is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance." The reason for God's patience and desire for all to be saved is because of His love, as taught in RM 5:8, "God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us." (Cf. MT 5:44&48.)

Second: 2THS 1:6a - "God is just." This is stated also in RM 9:14, "Is God unjust? Not at all!" and in DT 32:4b, "...all His ways are just."
Justness = righteousness, so many other verses are in this vein. Explanations of God’s Word should not impugn God’s love and justice for all.

Do we all agree regarding this understanding (hermeneutic) so far?
 

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I recommend two biblical teachings or truths for guiding one's interpretation of the Bible, especially problematic statements:

First, 1TM 2:3-4 - "God our savior wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth." This verse is in the same vein as 2PT 3:9b - "The Lord is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance." The reason for God's patience and desire for all to be saved is because of His love, as taught in RM 5:8, "God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us." (Cf. MT 5:44&48.)

Second: 2THS 1:6a - "God is just." This is stated also in RM 9:14, "Is God unjust? Not at all!" and in DT 32:4b, "...all His ways are just."
Justness = righteousness, so many other verses are in this vein. Explanations of God’s Word should not impugn God’s love and justice for all.

Do we all agree regarding this understanding (hermeneutic) so far?
Just a comment for your consideration based upon one of your focal points I see you post often, "LGW".

If we interpret the "and" in 1Tim2 as ascensive, then the point about salvation Paul is making is that it is correlated to knowledge of the truth. IOW God desires all people to be saved = God desires all people to come to knowledge of the truth.

Also, the word Paul uses for "knowledge" is an intensified form which IMO and that of a few others I've read, means something to the effect of 'practical knowledge', knowledge to be used/put into practice/lived. So, salvation here speaks of coming to have and live the truth.

I'm sure you and others can run with this and attach it to all kinds of Scripture. I for example like how it attaches in Paul's thinking to:

ESV Titus 1:1 Paul, a servant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ, for the sake of the faith of God's elect and their knowledge of the truth, which accords with godliness,
  • Same phrase, practical/usable knowledge of the truth
  • If we again view the "and" as ascensive, now Paul is tying this knowledge of the truth to "the faith" which is elsewhere said to be authored/founded by Jesus Christ and handed down to His Holy Ones and is correlated to [the full scope of] the Gospel. Then looking forward in this verse Paul says this knowledge (Gospel) accords with godliness, which when studied is tied to the life lived by Jesus Christ. When all is said and done, to paraphrase all the harmonized Scripture speaking of it, it comes to mean something like, 'to live a willingly obedient, righteous and holy life towards God as did Jesus Christ.'
So, your first point ultimately means our Father desires all men to be saved - namely to live knowledgeably like His Son and their first-born brother and Lord Jesus His Christ (so think things like our being conformed to His likeness).

This is really the focus of Paul's Gospel, and he wrote more about this than he did about men's initial entrance into Christ. In Salvation God is making adult sons like His first-born, so He can have many siblings Rom8.
 
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Just a comment for your consideration based upon one of your focal points I see you post often, "LGW".

If we interpret the "and" in 1Tim2 as ascensive, then the point about salvation Paul is making is that it is correlated to knowledge of the truth. IOW God desires all people to be saved = God desires all people to come to knowledge of the truth.

Also, the word Paul uses for "knowledge" is an intensified form which IMO and that of a few others I've read, means something to the effect of 'practical knowledge', knowledge to be used/put into practice/lived. So, salvation here speaks of coming to have and live the truth.

I'm sure you and others can run with this and attach it to all kinds of Scripture. I for example like how it attaches in Paul's thinking to:

ESV Titus 1:1 Paul, a servant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ, for the sake of the faith of God's elect and their knowledge of the truth, which accords with godliness,
  • Same phrase, practical/usable knowledge of the truth
  • If we again view the "and" as ascensive, now Paul is tying this knowledge of the truth to "the faith" which is elsewhere said to be authored/founded by Jesus Christ and handed down to His Holy Ones and is correlated to [the full scope of] the Gospel. Then looking forward in this verse Paul says this knowledge (Gospel) accords with godliness, which when studied is tied to the life lived by Jesus Christ. When all is said and done, to paraphrase all the harmonized Scripture speaking of it, it comes to mean something like, 'to live a willingly obedient, righteous and holy life towards God as did Jesus Christ.'
So, your first point ultimately means our Father desires all men to be saved - namely to live knowledgeably like His Son and their first-born brother and Lord Jesus His Christ (so think things like our being conformed to His likeness).

This is really the focus of Paul's Gospel, and he wrote more about this than he did about men's initial entrance into Christ. In Salvation God is making adult sons like His first-born, so He can have many siblings Rom8.
Yes, Paul does not divorce saving faith from faithful works but stresses that faith in Christ as Lord is key/first,
and loving works will follow as the supernatural result of that relationship--not by following a list of laws.