Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[LifelongLearner]

I haven't read every post on this thread, but aside from the odd dismissive response, I've not seen anything indicative of trolling. Just some vehement discussion.
Some people will argue their case to breaking point. Might not be for you, but I wouldn't take it personally.

That's the problem friend, it's 1,120 comments now and as i said in my last comment, sorted the issue seemingly for short periods. I don't expect you to read back over the entire post, deletion is what's needed.

 

[GWH]

Reading from that post by GWH on gives some idea why i've just had it with the stupidity on this post. It's happened so many times throughout this post, quietens down a little when i kick a couple of posteriors, then they crawl out again.

What is wrong with my post? In the context of what was said that it responded to, I think it is right on.
(Maybe Kainos will tell us :^)

 

[Kainos]

That's the problem friend, it's 1,120 comments now and as i said in my last comment, sorted the issue seemingly for short periods. I don't expect you to read back over the entire post, deletion is what's needed.

You can't phase out an exhibition of free will just because you don't see eye to eye with all the contributions.

Let the dust settle and laugh it off. You know I ain't fishing or trawling for your crabbiness!

 

[SaysWhat]

What is wrong with my post? In the context of what was said that it responded to, I think it is right on.

You did a good job.

 

[LifelongLearner]

You can't phase out an exhibition of free will just because you don't see eye to eye with all the contributions.

Let the dust settle and laugh it off. You know I ain't fishing or trawling for your crabbiness!

I do friend and wish i could agree with you but you don't know what's happened here from near the beginning of this post. It's impossible for me to explain it all and i'm sick and tired of it, nor am i ok with any post i create become a trolls playground like this one has.

The logical and best thing to do is request deletion, I'm collating and will present evidence for the CC team, which i obviously won't post here.

 

[SaysWhat]

I do friend and wish i could agree with you but you don't know what's happened here from near the beginning of this post. It's impossible for me to explain it all and i'm sick and tired of it, nor am i ok with any post i create become a trolls playground like this one has.

The logical and best thing to do is request deletion, I'm collating and will present evidence for the CC team, which i obviously won't post here.

Having patience for follow members goes along way.

 

[LifelongLearner]

1,126 comments, mainly from trolls such as yourself, demonstrates much patience from me. Also, i have a considerable track record through my comments, of decency and respect for others, this post needs deletion.

 

[GWH]

I do friend and wish i could agree with you but you don't know what's happened here from near the beginning of this post. It's impossible for me to explain it all and i'm sick and tired of it, nor am i ok with any post i create become a trolls playground like this one has.

The logical and best thing to do is request deletion, I'm collating and will present evidence for the CC team, which i obviously won't post here.

You can post here any evidence regarding me, because I am confident that I am not guilty.

 

[SaysWhat]

1,126 comments, mainly from trolls such as yourself, demonstrates much patience from me. Also, i have a considerable track record through my comments, of decency and respect for others, this post needs deletion.

You are definitely a professional slanderer.

 

[GWH]

1,126 comments, mainly from trolls such as yourself, demonstrates much patience from me. Also, i have a considerable track record through my comments, of decency and respect for others, this post needs deletion.

I think Jesus commanded keeping no record of wrongs but rather forgiving 70x7 times.
How many trolls are on your list that you might multiply x 490?
(Can we exercise free speech :^)

 

[SaysWhat]

I think Jesus commanded keeping no record of wrongs but rather forgiving 70x7 times.
How many trolls are on your list that you might multiply x 490?

Lifelonglistener can't even muster up one forgiveness. I apologize to the poster and the poster ignored it.

 

[LifelongLearner]

Lifelonglistener can't even muster up one forgiveness. I apologize to the poster and the poster ignored it.[/QUOTE
People can read through the post to find out the truth, you are trolls who i courteously asked to desist. The evidence is there but sadly,people will have to sift through many pages of your trolling, in your attempts to bury the evidence.

I LOATHE having to do this but can't let your ilk win, i will present the evidence necessary to CC.

 

[LifelongLearner]

I think Jesus commanded keeping no record of wrongs but rather forgiving 70x7 times.
How many trolls are on your list that you might multiply x 490?
(Can we exercise free speech :^)

I think Jesus would not be a friend of trolls, nor approve of those who persist in the spite and malice you have tried to bury in this thread. It soon won't be hidden.

 

[Genez]

You are following pagan thinking... the soul according to the bible is a physical body and the breath of life.

A soul with a body becomes a "living soul."
The breath of lives (plural) - soul and human spirit is what makes a soul alive.

The body is not the soul.
The living soul takes place within the body!

Here are bodies with souls only (no human spirit), that Jesus said are not living souls...

No human spirit as seen in Luke 9:59-60!

He said to another man, “Follow me.”​

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But he replied, “Lord, first let me go and bury my father.”​

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Jesus said to him, “Let the dead bury their own dead, ​

but you go and proclaim the kingdom of God.​

​

Jesus was telling that man what?

Let the spiritually dead bury their own physically dead!

 

[SaysWhat]

[QUOTE="LifelongLearner, post: 5470179, member: 333498"
LifelongLearner
Active member
21 minutes ago
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SaysWhat said:
Lifelonglistener can't even muster up one forgiveness. I apologize to the poster and the poster ignored it.[/QUOTE
People can read through the post to find out the truth, you are trolls who i courteously asked to desist. The evidence is there but sadly,people will have to sift through many pages of your trolling, in your attempts to bury the evidence.

I LOATHE having to do this but can't let your ilk win, i will present the evidence necessary to CC.][/QUOTE]
Me too

 

[SaysWhat]

I think Jesus would not be a friend of trolls, nor approve of those who persist in the spite and malice you have tried to bury in this thread. It soon won't be hidden.

You have been listening to the wrong voice.

 

[Genez]

We should learn what this means.....

1 John 5:16​

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If you see any brother or sister commit a sin that does not lead to death, ​

you should pray and God will give them life. I refer to those whose sin ​

does not lead to death. There is a sin that leads to death. ​

I am not saying that you should pray about that.​

Some among us are like contacting death itself.

They distract and attack in you your own life what they are envious and jealous of.

Just leave them to die their own death.

There is a sin that leads to death. ​

I am not saying that you should pray about that.​

​

.......

 

[LifelongLearner]

[QUOTE="LifelongLearner, post: 5470179, member: 333498"
LifelongLearner
Active member
21 minutes ago
#1,132
SaysWhat said:
Lifelonglistener can't even muster up one forgiveness. I apologize to the poster and the poster ignored it.[/QUOTE
People can read through the post to find out the truth, you are trolls who i courteously asked to desist. The evidence is there but sadly,people will have to sift through many pages of your trolling, in your attempts to bury the evidence.

I LOATHE having to do this but can't let your ilk win, i will present the evidence necessary to CC.]

Me too[/QUOTE]
Lol, you're a troll who sets out to stir up trouble, then pretend to be surprised because it's worked. People only need to look at your comment history and mine to see who's telling the truth, i warned you many times not to troll in my post, i've had enough.

 

[JimiSurvivor]

Welcome to CC. I agree with your understanding of Scripture/GW. I have sponsored several threads including the Kerygma/GRFS, in which I explain the difference between the Gospel/kerygma and secondary doctrines as follows:

The distinction between kerygma and didache involves a difference in content and purpose. The kerygma proclaims GRFS, which calls for repentance and acceptance of Jesus as Lord, which is an all or nothing decision that occurs at one moment in time. The didache teaches God’s will regarding how saints or those who have been saved should live in order to be a good witness for Christ, which involves learning more of God’s Word throughout one’s lifetime.

A passage teaching this truth is Colossians 2:6-7: “Just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord [kerygma], continue to live in him, rooted and built up in him, strengthened in the faith as you were taught [didache].” There is no qualitative difference between faith that accepts God’s saving grace at conversion and faith that accepts God’s working grace while walking/living (EPH 2:8-10, 2CR 5:7, RM 1:17), but only a quantitative difference as each additional moment passes–and of course faith remains non-meritorious during the saint’s entire lifetime.

Notice that the kerygma/Gospel fulfills and supersedes OT revelation, but does not contradict its correct interpretation (HB 8:6-13). However, the NT revelation of GRFS will never become obsolete (PHP 2:9-11, RV 22:12-13). Thus, new revelations from God’s Holy Spirit will not contradict the Gospel, although they may express its truth in a different way or form, or else God would be inconsistent or tricky. There may be new wine skins, but no new wine (MT 19:17). Post-NT inspiration must be didachaic information regarding contemporary moral or political issues.

The kerygma/GRFS should be every Christian’s creed, and only belief in this crucial truth should be viewed as a test for orthodoxy or heresy. As Paul wrote in Romans 10:9, “If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.” Conversely, judgments concerning a person’s spiritual orientation or ultimate destiny should not be made on the basis of didachaic or secondary doctrines. (If any judgment is made, it should begin with a self-examination per MT 7:1&5, 2CR 13:5-8).

A major reason many Christians throughout history have not manifested the love and unity of God’s Spirit (EPH 4:3) as well as they should is because of failure to realize this truth. If they did, it would free them to speak honestly and fellowship without becoming unduly upset about relatively minor issues. They would receive God’s blessing as peacemakers, who draw inclusive circles around people based on the kerygma rather than denominational lines between them due to didachaic differences. Jesus prayed for spiritual unity (cf. JN 17:20-23, “May they be one…”).

There is no qualitative difference between faith that accepts God’s saving grace at conversion and faith that accepts God’s working grace while walking/living (EPH 2:8-10, 2CR 5:7, RM 1:17), but only a quantitative difference as each additional moment passes–and of course faith remains non-meritorious during the saint’s entire lifetime.

I agree with this.

 

[Genez]

Lol, you're a troll who sets out to stir up trouble, then pretend to be surprised because it's worked. People only need to look at your comment history and mine to see who's telling the truth, i warned you many times not to troll in my post, i've had enough.

You are a bitter old lady.