Continuationism vs cessastionism?
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crossfire says:Zone at best you are a conspiracy theorist. At worst... well... it's not my place to say.
Anyways I have no doubt that it is women like who inspired the Apostle Paul to write the following passages of Scripture:
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u sure? could it maybe have been the Holyspirit that inspired scripture
Anyways I have no doubt that it is women like who inspired the Apostle Paul to write the following passages of Scripture:
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u sure? could it maybe have been the Holyspirit that inspired scripture
The whole argument of cessationism relies heavily on Martin Luthers 5 solas Which in their day was necessary to bring people away from the self serving corrupt entity that had become (The Catholic Church). If we refute any message under this premise then it stands to reason that at the second coming we will also refuse Christ for we will not believe it is him rather we will say any number of things in support of our learned doctrines rather than believe what's in front of our very eyes. (SOUND FAMILIAR)
Liturgically speaking not one person alive today can verify the authenticity of the scriptures as they are given us today as being 100% accurate in their transposition through the ages. Anyone who says this is basing their beliefs on faith alone in the accuracy of the translation and preosition of the scriptures. (THIS IS NOT TO SAY TO THROW OUT THE BABY WITH THE BATH WATER) but rather to look for the commonness between varied texts and focus on those rather than taking individual lines of the text and using them to support our own TAUGHT belief structure.
Jesus himself was more forgiving than this (the adultress who was to be stoned to death)Let he who is without sin cast the first stone
To limit yourself to a belief system based soley on the words written in the bible and to the style in which you were taught is ERRONEOUS. In doing this you deny that the authority of the Holy Soirit is sovereign and refer instead to your scripture alone which you cannot truly verify by anything but faith in the words therein.
Sounds alot like the Jews of Christ's day to me who refused to accept him as the messiah based soley on their beliefs in their written doctrine and NOTHING ELSE.
To deny apostolic gifts exist today is to do the very same thing and it has more to do with lack of faith in God than it has to do with faith in the scriptures!
You say show me evidence of these miracles, or tongues or healing and I will believe! NO YOU WON'T you will denounce these gifts just as the pharisees and sauducees of old did rather believing in the word which has been handed down to you by your fathers than to believe in the one who is the sovereign Lord.
Oh you perverse generation you only seek that which you can see and touch not that which you feel in your heart!
It is true that there are those who would seek for themselves an earthly crown bestowed upon them by men and being fooled in their hearts into believing in themselves rather than in God and in like manner shall be doomed to fall through their own disbelief.
Cessationists affirm that God can and does what he will according to his will even today yet deny apostolic gifts exist in the present day and age because of their interpretation of the Word. The only reason for the lack of acknowledgement of apostolic gifts today is due to a lack of faith on the part of the cessationist as to the authenticity of the origin of act of the gift. Most stating that the power behind said gift comes from an unholy source rather than God himself because they are ENVIOUS of either the one bestowing said gift or the recipient who recieves it. Jesus said "how can a house divided against itself stand" It's high time the Christian community banded together rather than picking itself apart due to mens interpretations of the scriptures in a vain attempt to bring light upon themselves as great thinkers rather than dispelling the GOOD NEWS as one of Gods good servants.
Selah
Liturgically speaking not one person alive today can verify the authenticity of the scriptures as they are given us today as being 100% accurate in their transposition through the ages. Anyone who says this is basing their beliefs on faith alone in the accuracy of the translation and preosition of the scriptures. (THIS IS NOT TO SAY TO THROW OUT THE BABY WITH THE BATH WATER) but rather to look for the commonness between varied texts and focus on those rather than taking individual lines of the text and using them to support our own TAUGHT belief structure.
Jesus himself was more forgiving than this (the adultress who was to be stoned to death)Let he who is without sin cast the first stone
To limit yourself to a belief system based soley on the words written in the bible and to the style in which you were taught is ERRONEOUS. In doing this you deny that the authority of the Holy Soirit is sovereign and refer instead to your scripture alone which you cannot truly verify by anything but faith in the words therein.
Sounds alot like the Jews of Christ's day to me who refused to accept him as the messiah based soley on their beliefs in their written doctrine and NOTHING ELSE.
To deny apostolic gifts exist today is to do the very same thing and it has more to do with lack of faith in God than it has to do with faith in the scriptures!
You say show me evidence of these miracles, or tongues or healing and I will believe! NO YOU WON'T you will denounce these gifts just as the pharisees and sauducees of old did rather believing in the word which has been handed down to you by your fathers than to believe in the one who is the sovereign Lord.
Oh you perverse generation you only seek that which you can see and touch not that which you feel in your heart!
It is true that there are those who would seek for themselves an earthly crown bestowed upon them by men and being fooled in their hearts into believing in themselves rather than in God and in like manner shall be doomed to fall through their own disbelief.
Cessationists affirm that God can and does what he will according to his will even today yet deny apostolic gifts exist in the present day and age because of their interpretation of the Word. The only reason for the lack of acknowledgement of apostolic gifts today is due to a lack of faith on the part of the cessationist as to the authenticity of the origin of act of the gift. Most stating that the power behind said gift comes from an unholy source rather than God himself because they are ENVIOUS of either the one bestowing said gift or the recipient who recieves it. Jesus said "how can a house divided against itself stand" It's high time the Christian community banded together rather than picking itself apart due to mens interpretations of the scriptures in a vain attempt to bring light upon themselves as great thinkers rather than dispelling the GOOD NEWS as one of Gods good servants.
Selah
C
Abiding, I would be more than happy to discuss this with in a different setting. I am interested in hearing what you have to say about this seeing as you appear to be the only person willing to submit scripture to back up this claim.
However, I not going to discuss things with people around who can't seem to keep their flesh in check.
C
This conversation is becoming pointless. I'm a firm believer that before we can preach it, we must live it. I can tell by the words and actions of several that some don't take the Word seriously. They claim that they're not antinomian yet they act as if they are one.
Either preach the Word or don't preach at all.
Either preach the Word or don't preach at all.
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1 Jesus called his twelve disciples to him and gave them authority to drive out impure spirits and to heal every disease and sickness.
2 These are the names of the twelve apostles: first, Simon (who is called Peter) and his brother Andrew; James son of Zebedee, and his brother John; 3 Philip and Bartholomew; Thomas and Matthew the tax collector; James son of Alphaeus, and Thaddaeus;
25 to take over this apostolic ministry, which Judas left to go where he belongs.” 26 Then they cast lots, and the lot fell to Matthias; so he was added to the eleven apostles.
Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, To the church of God in Corinth, together with all his holy people throughout Achaia:
Only twelve you say??
2 These are the names of the twelve apostles: first, Simon (who is called Peter) and his brother Andrew; James son of Zebedee, and his brother John; 3 Philip and Bartholomew; Thomas and Matthew the tax collector; James son of Alphaeus, and Thaddaeus;
25 to take over this apostolic ministry, which Judas left to go where he belongs.” 26 Then they cast lots, and the lot fell to Matthias; so he was added to the eleven apostles.
Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, To the church of God in Corinth, together with all his holy people throughout Achaia:
Only twelve you say??
C
The entire reason why I come to Christian Chat is to better understand what other's believe. Guy's, I'm completely open to dialogue concerning this topic and I would love to learn what Cessationists believe to better understand it. While we may not come to an agreement or sway the other's opinion, by sharing our view in a respectful manner, I see it as iron sharpening iron.
Iif people can't leave their religious pride and emotions out of it then all it's over going to amount to is a huge argument. However, the crazy accusations of being a part of some global conspiracy just because I stand up for my views when they are being improperly represented by those those who are trying to dismantle them, that's where I draw the line.
I'll have no part of such religious paranoia and fear mongering.
Iif people can't leave their religious pride and emotions out of it then all it's over going to amount to is a huge argument. However, the crazy accusations of being a part of some global conspiracy just because I stand up for my views when they are being improperly represented by those those who are trying to dismantle them, that's where I draw the line.
I'll have no part of such religious paranoia and fear mongering.