Will The Actual Calvinists Here Please Stand Up?

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I Am An Actual Calvinist

  • Yes

    Votes: 5 20.8%
  • No

    Votes: 19 79.2%

  • Total voters
    24

bluejean_bible

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Feb 15, 2025
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#1
Even as a newish member here I can't miss how some people's Bible point of view can be dismissed by someone else as being Calvinist.

It's the C word that some appear to think if invoked completely eliminates a person's point of view.

So I got to thinking. I wondered how many here are actually Calvinist? Or,would they even admit it what with the levels of animosity that surrounds just the implication of being one.

So, a poll arrives. Anonymity follows your selection of poll answers. Just as a way to find out if John's teachings are about in our community. Or,if the label of Calvinist is something else.

Thank you for your participation,if you choose to answer.
 

Blain

The Word Weaver
Aug 28, 2012
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#2
Yeah this is always a trend that goes on around here you wouldn't believe the choas of hypergracers that went down a few years ago, now instead of hypergracer we have calvanists as if it is a no no term
Would any of them come out of hiding? I wonder that too.
 

Melach

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Mar 28, 2019
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#3
i am here. the reason i voted yes despite not reading anything from calvin is because thats just the name this teaching is given.
you could also call it augustinianism as he believed predestination before calvin was born. thousand years before calvin.

so you could call me a calvinist and i would not get offended. i dont agree with calvin on everything but when it comes to predestination i do.

i was so glad to find this doctrine because it made sense out of the bible for me. when i first joined this forum i was preaching works salvation but at the same time wrestling with texts that talk about salvation being all of God. how can it be all of God but then still people who live a certain lifestyle arent saved? its because God is the one who grants us the grace to obey. its not backloading works into salvation, nor is it easy believism, nor is it works salvation. thats the beauty of this doctrine that is so hated.

our salvation is from God, we dont get to brag about our obedience or good works and not even our faith, its a gift.
 

Gideon300

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Mar 18, 2021
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Frankston, Victoria
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#4
Even as a newish member here I can't miss how some people's Bible point of view can be dismissed by someone else as being Calvinist.

It's the C word that some appear to think if invoked completely eliminates a person's point of view.

So I got to thinking. I wondered how many here are actually Calvinist? Or,would they even admit it what with the levels of animosity that surrounds just the implication of being one.

So, a poll arrives. Anonymity follows your selection of poll answers. Just as a way to find out if John's teachings are about in our community. Or,if the label of Calvinist is something else.

Thank you for your participation,if you choose to answer.
I detest labels. I don't remember the preacher, but he prayed, "Lord, save your elect. And then elect some more". I like that. We do not know who the elect are. We should preach as if anyone can be saved, no matter who or what they are.
 

Mem

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Sep 23, 2014
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#5
I don't think Calvin got the concept of predestination right, even though his idea has become the textbook definition of it.
God chose us by Him before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless in His presence (before Him) in love.
That is, before the foundation of the world, God chose to look back at us, by Him, with love (reflected by Him) when we look at Him (reflecting Him).

Calvinist Derangement Syndrome is being adopted as a thing around the forum but I'm just not crazy about Calvin.

I have never voted, nor will I.
 

GWH

Groovy
Oct 19, 2024
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#6
Is it possible to be a partial Calvinist, who affirms the parts in agreement with the kerygma,
but not the problematic TULIP part? That might be me.
 

Jimbone

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Aug 22, 2014
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#7
I don't think Calvin got the concept of predestination right, even though his idea has become the textbook definition of it.
God chose us by Him before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless in His presence (before Him) in love.
That is, before the foundation of the world, God chose to look back at us, by Him, with love (reflected by Him) when we look at Him (reflecting Him).

Calvinist Derangement Syndrome is being adopted as a thing around the forum but I'm just not crazy about Calvin.

I have never voted, nor will I.
I coined the term here, and it is a thing here. The CDSC (Calvinist Derangement Syndrome Cult) are a group of people that will come in and label others a Calvinist if THEY feel that person says anything that THEY feel is even a tiny bit "Calvin adjacent", even if that person says they've never read anything Calvin, don't teach any of the 5 points, and truly have never felt compelled to study anything that "direction". Even with all that clearly stated this group will then start describing in the most ridiculous way possible, the most extreme version of Calvinistic teachings and go on to straw man them like they're teaching that person a lesson when they've clearly stated that they do not believe anything like the burning scarecrow the CDSC are dancing around in celebration, high fiving each other for the super job these warriors of God just did for Him.

I know it sounds like I'm being hyperbolic here and exaggerating a bit, and it's a bit sharp, but I'm not. Not matter how calm, patient, understanding, you are, no matter how clearly you state your views or show common ground where it can be found, they still refuse to engage with what you are saying. They will tell you what you believe and then destroy it. Anything you have to say can pound sand. They start by labeling you a Calvinist, then refuse to interact in the real world at all after that.

This is the CDSC, and to be honest I'm curious how many self proclaiming Calvinist are here as well, because that's one of my criticisms of them here. They have to come here to make up an enemy rather than finding a place where there are Calvinist so they can debate those who might actually believe what they hate so much. It's as real and crazy as TDS.
 

bluejean_bible

Well-known member
Feb 15, 2025
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#8
I detest labels. I don't remember the preacher, but he prayed, "Lord, save your elect. And then elect some more". I like that. We do not know who the elect are. We should preach as if anyone can be saved, no matter who or what they are.
Meanwhile,Elect is a label.
 

Mem

Senior Member
Sep 23, 2014
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#9
i am here. the reason i voted yes despite not reading anything from calvin is because thats just the name this teaching is given.
you could also call it augustinianism as he believed predestination before calvin was born. thousand years before calvin.

so you could call me a calvinist and i would not get offended. i dont agree with calvin on everything but when it comes to predestination i do.

i was so glad to find this doctrine because it made sense out of the bible for me. when i first joined this forum i was preaching works salvation but at the same time wrestling with texts that talk about salvation being all of God. how can it be all of God but then still people who live a certain lifestyle arent saved? its because God is the one who grants us the grace to obey. its not backloading works into salvation, nor is it easy believism, nor is it works salvation. thats the beauty of this doctrine that is so hated.

our salvation is from God, we dont get to brag about our obedience or good works and not even our faith, its a gift.
Ok, but... the polls asks voters to either affirm or deny that "I am an actual Calvinist." Should there be an option for "both" or perhaps a "yes and no, allow me to explain"?
 

bluejean_bible

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Feb 15, 2025
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#10
Ok, but... the polls asks voters to either affirm or deny that "I am an actual Calvinist." Should there be an option for "both" or perhaps a "yes and no, allow me to explain"?
Someone is able to answer yes or no. And then as we see there is the option to reply and explain their vote if they do choose.

But you said you never will vote so it's a moot point as far as you're concerned.
 

Magenta

Senior Member
Jul 3, 2015
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#11
i am here. the reason i voted yes despite not reading anything from calvin is because thats just the name this teaching is given.
you could also call it augustinianism as he believed predestination before calvin was born. thousand years before calvin.

so you could call me a calvinist and i would not get offended. i dont agree with calvin on everything but when it comes to predestination i do.

i was so glad to find this doctrine because it made sense out of the bible for me. when i first joined this forum i was preaching works salvation but at the same time wrestling with texts that talk about salvation being all of God. how can it be all of God but then still people who live a certain lifestyle arent saved? its because God is the one who grants us the grace to obey. its not backloading works into salvation, nor is it easy believism, nor is it works salvation. thats the beauty of this doctrine that is so hated.

our salvation is from God, we dont get to brag about our obedience or good works and not even our faith, its a gift.

1 Corinthians 4 verse 7b; John 3 verse 27; Romans 9 verses 15-16 ~ What do you have that you did not receive? And if you did also receive it, why do you boast as not having received it? John replied, "A man can receive only that which is given him from heaven." "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion." So then, it does not depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy.
:)
 

Mem

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Sep 23, 2014
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#13
Someone is able to answer yes or no. And then as we see there is the option to reply and explain their vote if they do choose.

But you said you never will vote so it's a moot point as far as you're concerned.
Wow. Your bow is always at the ready, I see. Maybe try lighting it on fire first.

In regards to concern, since this poll seems to me to be an attempt to assemble the troops around Calvinism, it does interest me with regard to any plans of attack.
 

bluejean_bible

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Feb 15, 2025
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#14
OK, so everything in that sense is a label, even believer. The difference is that "elect" is a label that God uses. Calvinist is not.
Nor is Christian, Baptist,Methodist,etc...

They're not found anywhere in scripture.

The first followers of Jesus were called either , people of the book or, followers of The Way.
 

Magenta

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Jul 3, 2015
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#15
Nor is Christian, Baptist,Methodist,etc...

They're not found anywhere in scripture.

The first followers of Jesus were called either , people of the book or, followers of The Way.
The disciples were first called Christians at Antioch is in the Bible. Acts 11:26.
 

bluejean_bible

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Feb 15, 2025
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#17
Wow. Your bow is always at the ready, I see. Maybe try lighting it on fire first.
Recognizing those who answer the poll are free to explain in a reply is common sense.
Don't claim that is an attack because the obvious escaped you and now you think it was an attack.


In regards to concern, since this poll seems to me to be an attempt to assemble the troops around Calvinism, it does interest me with regard to any plans of attack.
Except,I answered my own poll first. And said no,I'm not a Calvinists.

The paranoia surrounding John's teaching,that came along well after others who taught the same thing,is deeply entrenched here.

How many discussions regarding Soteriology would have progressed in a positive light were it not for this? Sadly,this site will never know. :(
 

bluejean_bible

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#18
The disciples were first called Christians at Antioch is in the Bible. Acts 11:26.
That appellation wasn't derived by those faithful to Christ.

https://www.gotquestions.org/meaning-of-Christian.html

"In the New Testament, believers never refer to themselves as “Christians”; rather, they use such terms as brethren (Acts 15:1; 1 Corinthians 16:20, NAS), disciples (Acts 11:26; 14:24, NKJV), and saints (Acts 9:13; 2 Corinthians 13:13, ESV). Before his conversion, Saul of Tarsus sought out those “who belonged to the Way” (Acts 9:2), indicating that an early label for Christians could have been “people of the Way” (see also Acts 19:9; 24:22)."


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The followers of Jesus Christ were first referred to as “Christians” by the Gentiles of Syrian Antioch, and the name was more than likely meant as an insult (see Acts 11:26).

In the New Testament, believers never refer to themselves as “Christians”; rather, they use such terms as brethren (Acts 15:1; 1 Corinthians 16:20, NAS), disciples (Acts 11:26; 14:24, NKJV), and saints (Acts 9:13; 2 Corinthians 13:13, ESV). Before his conversion, Saul of Tarsus sought out those “who belonged to the Way” (Acts 9:2), indicating that an early label for Christians could have been “people of the Way” (see also Acts 19:9; 24:22).

Believers in Christ came to be called “Christians” during a time of rapid expansion in the church. Persecution had forced many believers from Jerusalem, and they scattered to various areas, taking the gospel with them. The evangelism was at first limited to Jewish populations. That changed when “men from Cyprus and Cyrene, went to Antioch and began to speak to Greeks also, telling them the good news about the Lord Jesus. The Lord’s hand was with them, and a great number of people believed and turned to the Lord” (Acts 11:20–21). Barnabas was there in Antioch, as was the newly converted Saul, and they were both teaching in the church. “And in Antioch the disciples were first called Christians” (Acts 11:26, BLB).

At the time that believers got the appellation Christians, it was common for the Greeks to give satirical nicknames to particular groups. So those loyal to the Roman General Pompey were dubbed “Pompeians,” and the followers of General Sulla were called “Sullanians.” Those who publicly and enthusiastically praised the emperor Nero Augustus received the name Augustinians, meaning “of the party of Augustus.” To the Greeks, it was all a fun word game and a verbally dismissive gesture. Then a new group cropped up in Antioch; since they were characterized by behavior and speech centered on Christ, the Greeks called them “Christians,” or “those of the party of Christ.” "
 

bluejean_bible

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#19
Jesus, and others in Scripture call us "the Elect". I'm pretty comfortable with having that label put on me.


BTW, what's a Calvinist?
. Great question.

Perhaps those opposed have an answer.