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[DeanM]

This is what PBS does.
They promote small stories to make it seem that all warriors in history were women, or how a small minority "won" the war.
Liberals have a lot of shortcomings that's why liberal men feel the need to beat women in sports.
No more!

PBS yes but its infested the school system here also. Over time the Marxist ideology has been creeping in for decades. I believe taking prayer out of schools is where it first became obvious and has grown steadily. Look at the hate for Israel on the campuses. What were founded on Christian principles have become havens of Marxist indoctrination. Demonic.

 

[Texasgal]

@Texasgal what you really should congratulate @Gideon300 on is his ability to try to talk normally to the conspiracist crowd.
He’s talking all logically and stuff.

But while what he says about allies is true he’s missing the point that the allies have been using this as some sort of “birthright” privilege to have free money and protection from United States, which is what Trump is trying to correct.

Just because you’ve been doing it for 60 years since America gave free money away in the form of the Marshall plan, doesn’t mean that I’ll give you free money today especially when all we hear are lectures from elitists pompous professors who are out of touch with reality and don’t even appreciate but criticize USA for minutia.

We didn’t create the Marshal plan for charity. It was soft talk carrying a big baseball bat. Seriously, who taught you politics and history?

 

[Eli1]

We didn’t create the Marshal plan for charity. It was soft talk carrying a big baseball bat. Seriously, who taught you politics and history?

The question is who taught you politics because you seem to have some light TDS, because this is exactly what Trump is doing.
Work for peace and fairness by carrying a big stick.
The point here in year 2025 is that these EU members have become like spoiled children while the cold war has ended.

 

[Texasgal]

The question is who taught you politics because you seem to have some light TDS, because this is exactly what Trump is doing.
Work for peace and fairness by carrying a big stick.
The point here in year 2025 is that these EU members have become like spoiled children while the cold war has ended.

You sound like a bot, @Eli1, this has nothing to do with what I said.

 

[Eli1]

You sound like a bot, @Eli1, this has nothing to do with what I said.

Well then say what you want to say.
It's not my problem that the words that you say mean what they mean on paper but not what they mean on your mind.

 

[Texasgal]

Well then say what you want to say.
It's not my problem that the words that you say mean what they mean on paper but not what they mean on your mind.

I feel you. We’re like two peas in a pod.

LOL

 

[Gideon300]

@Texasgal what you really should congratulate @Gideon300 on is his ability to try to talk normally to the conspiracist crowd.
He’s talking all logically and stuff.

But while what he says about allies is true he’s missing the point that the allies have been using this as some sort of “birthright” privilege to have free money and protection from United States, which is what Trump is trying to correct.

Just because you’ve been doing it for 60 years since America gave free money away in the form of the Marshall plan, doesn’t mean that I’ll give you free money today especially when all we hear are lectures from elitists pompous professors who are out of touch with reality and don’t even appreciate but criticize USA for minutia.

Perhaps if you read my posts more fully, you would see that I've criticised Europe for freeloading on the US. America took on the role of "protector of the free world" under the Truman administration, the "Truman Doctrine" as it was known.

This was at least to a degree understandable while Europe recovered from WW2. Britain was effectively bankrupted by war. Germany prospered more than most but refused to rearm. Some of that was because of the great fear of becoming like Nazi Germany once more. Once Europe climbed out of the financial pit, they should have rearmed.

It's easy in hindsight. No one considered Russia a threat once the USSR broke up. The party should have been over in 2014 when Russia first invaded Ukraine. Like Europe in the 1930's, rulers stuck their heads in the sand and refused to face reality. Perhaps it would have been better for America to lay down the law then. Obama did condemn Europe at the time, but obviously was not firm enough.

 

[Gideon300]

It's also shameful that people like @Gideon300 and others who think like him use the memory of their dead country's soldiers as a way to make US feel morally guilty and extort money from them.

When my grandfather was fighting the Nazis in WW2, who was he fighting for? USA?
No! He was fighting for Albania or more precisely his family and his way of life!
Who were the Russians fighting for? USA? No! They were fighting for their land and way of life too!
During the process friends were made and friends were lost. But everyone was fighting for their survival first and then for their national interests.

To say that USA has to protect Albania and give Albania free money now because my grandfather's brother died in WW2 is a shameful and disgusting way of honoring your fallen countrymen and your past family members.

It's also a shame when men twice my age don't know this or refuse to know how history works.

As an Englishman living in Australia, I suggest that your grasp of history is somewhat limited. While America did a lot of the heavy lifting in WW2, it was Russia who did the most, at least in Europe. If you read accounts of the Pacific war, you would hardly know that Australia was anything more than a base for American troops. This was far from the truth. Australia inflicted the first defeats on the Japanese and prevented them from securing vital bases close to the Australian mainland.

Maybe people twice your age have a more complete picture than you do. I also wonder if Germany had not declared war on America, if America would have left Europe to fight alone. I imagine that the people who could answer that question are no longer with us.

Of course people fight for their country first. It's one of the problems with modern society. The Western world is so perverse that a generation no longer believes our principles are worth fighting for.

I am not sure where you get the idea that smaller nations are trying to extort money from America. I do know that America does exceeding well out of arms sales. That was true in WW2 and it is true now. Unless, of course, Mr Trump's tariffs incite countries to look elsewhere.

 

[Gideon300]

Those who rewrite history think the small countries did the heavy lifting in not only WW2 but every conflict. At least they pretend to believe it. Now they are squealing because they have to figure out how to make it without U.S. money. Lets see how they do when the tariff changes kick in.

They will likely cancel all the arms deals that they've made with America. America has made vast amounts from weapons sales. I think this is a good thing. Britain had the greatest aircraft industry in the world at the end of WW2. They threw it all away. Germany should be a military powerhouse but has legal limitations stemming from WW2. France makes great aircraft.

America will miss selling to Europe. It means that the smaller runs of weapons will have a higher unit cost. So they lose money on sales and suffer higher costs to produce for their own needs. That's just the way it is. Will it matter in the long term? No. Jesus will return soon and put an end to the world's lunacy.

 

[Eli1]

Perhaps if you read my posts more fully, you would see that I've criticised Europe for freeloading on the US. America took on the role of "protector of the free world" under the Truman administration, the "Truman Doctrine" as it was known.

This was at least to a degree understandable while Europe recovered from WW2. Britain was effectively bankrupted by war. Germany prospered more than most but refused to rearm. Some of that was because of the great fear of becoming like Nazi Germany once more. Once Europe climbed out of the financial pit, they should have rearmed.

It's easy in hindsight. No one considered Russia a threat once the USSR broke up. The party should have been over in 2014 when Russia first invaded Ukraine. Like Europe in the 1930's, rulers stuck their heads in the sand and refused to face reality. Perhaps it would have been better for America to lay down the law then. Obama did condemn Europe at the time, but obviously was not firm enough.

When i read your post here:

Australia for one. In every conflict since WW2, including the Vietnam debacle. The UK was in Iraq, twice. Even Ukraine sent some military help to the US military. Many European nations contributed to America's wars. New Zealand and Canada likewise

Other nations include Belgium, Denmark, France, Greece, Italy, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Norway, Spain and Turkey. South Korea and Japan have assisted in some ways also.

Many of these countries suffered military casualties. It's fairly obvious that Mr Trump has a limited grasp on history as well as contempt for the truth.

I saw that you you are claiming that Trump has no clue about history and contempt for truth while not seeing that you yourself has no clue about history and have contempt for truth especially when you use your dead country's soldiers as some way to extort money from US. Apparently, you just like the Europeans have been in-bliss so far about getting your free money while criticizing the hand that gives you the money.

 

[Eli1]

As an Englishman living in Australia, I suggest that your grasp of history is somewhat limited. While America did a lot of the heavy lifting in WW2, it was Russia who did the most, at least in Europe. If you read accounts of the Pacific war, you would hardly know that Australia was anything more than a base for American troops. This was far from the truth. Australia inflicted the first defeats on the Japanese and prevented them from securing vital bases close to the Australian mainland.

Maybe people twice your age have a more complete picture than you do. I also wonder if Germany had not declared war on America, if America would have left Europe to fight alone. I imagine that the people who could answer that question are no longer with us.

Of course people fight for their country first. It's one of the problems with modern society. The Western world is so perverse that a generation no longer believes our principles are worth fighting for.

I am not sure where you get the idea that smaller nations are trying to extort money from America. I do know that America does exceeding well out of arms sales. That was true in WW2 and it is true now. Unless, of course, Mr Trump's tariffs incite countries to look elsewhere.

This is even more proof that you have no idea about history.
When you say that Russia did the heavy lifting, which is true, then why do you expect USA to keep paying you and give you support via military or politically?
Get support from Russia then since they did the heavy lifting! Why do you ask USA for support if Russia did the heavy lifting and somehow you and folks that support Ukraine want help to defeat Russia?
Talk to them yourselves!
Why are you so surprised that Trump is not saying what you want him to say? Hm?

 

[DeanM]

I guess the blame America first crowd isnt limited to Marxist U.S. citizens.

 

[Gideon300]

When i read your post here:



I saw that you you are claiming that Trump has no clue about history and contempt for truth while not seeing that you yourself has no clue about history and have contempt for truth especially when you use your dead country's soldiers as some way to extort money from US. Apparently, you just like the Europeans have been in-bliss so far about getting your free money while criticizing the hand that gives you the money.

When have I asked for money for anyone? Australia spends a lot of money on defence procurement, much of it with American companies. We have a formal alliance and a treaty. Australia provides bases for American forces. I don't know the financial arrangements, but both countries benefit.

I don't know what bug has bitten you, but you obviously are taking what I've said out of context and then added your own prejudice to it. Australia has supported America every time we have been asked. We are not asking for charity. We do ask that America help us if the need ever arises. That's what treaties and alliances are about.

If Mr Trump chooses to kill off the alliance, there is nothing that we can do. I hope that does not happen. China and Russia make a formidable enemy. If America chooses to sit on the sidelines, Europe and Asia will be defeated. Personally, I advocate for an independent nuclear arsenal for Australia. I'm not convinced that America is now a dependable ally. I suspect that Japan and South Korea will be thinking the same way. And America will get exactly what it has tried to prevent for decades, nuclear proliferation.

America failed to protect Ukraine, in spite of commitments made at the start of Ukraine's independence. Ukraine had the third largest nuclear arsenal in the world at that time. It gave it all up, courtesy of pressure from Bill Clinton. Mr Clinton stated that he regrets forcing Ukraine to give up its nukes. I don't know how many Ukrainians have died as a result of Russian aggression. I do know how many American military personnel have paid that price. None. So much for American assurances.

 

[Gideon300]

This is even more proof that you have no idea about history.
When you say that Russia did the heavy lifting, which is true, then why do you expect USA to keep paying you and give you support via military or politically?
Get support from Russia then since they did the heavy lifting! Why do you ask USA for support if Russia did the heavy lifting and somehow you and folks that support Ukraine want help to defeat Russia?
Talk to them yourselves!
Why are you so surprised that Trump is not saying what you want him to say? Hm?

Tell me exactly how much America is paying Australia. How about some facts instead of assertions. Do you know that the UK was so indebted to America that America was able to blackmail the UK into leaving the Suez Canal to Egypt instead of maintaining the control of France. Brilliant. A Muslim majority country allied to Russia controlling a vital sea route. What could possibly go wrong.

Do you know what an alliance is? I spent 9 years in the RAN. We supported America in Vietnam. We participated in exercises, we went to Iraq twice, we fought in Afghanistan as well as other military activities. America asked us to participate. That's what allies do. We've purchased American military hardware, including ships., tanks, aircraft and helicopters. It's not a hand out.

Australia is not the only country to help out, as I've said. America is obligated to assist Ukraine because it made commitments. I've said a number of times that Europe should be doing more also. Australia has no direct interest in Europe. We have sent military support to Ukraine because we think that democracy, no matter how fragile, is worth defending. We also hate lying bullies such as Putin. Mr Trump's admiration for Putin is a mystery to me.

Do you not see the illogic of your argument? Unless, of course, you want Russia to take over most of Europe. Then it makes sense.

 

[Eli1]

When have I asked for money for anyone? Australia spends a lot of money on defence procurement, much of it with American companies. We have a formal alliance and a treaty. Australia provides bases for American forces. I don't know the financial arrangements, but both countries benefit.

I don't know what bug has bitten you, but you obviously are taking what I've said out of context and then added your own prejudice to it. Australia has supported America every time we have been asked. We are not asking for charity. We do ask that America help us if the need ever arises. That's what treaties and alliances are about.

If Mr Trump chooses to kill off the alliance, there is nothing that we can do. I hope that does not happen. China and Russia make a formidable enemy. If America chooses to sit on the sidelines, Europe and Asia will be defeated. Personally, I advocate for an independent nuclear arsenal for Australia. I'm not convinced that America is now a dependable ally. I suspect that Japan and South Korea will be thinking the same way. And America will get exactly what it has tried to prevent for decades, nuclear proliferation.

America failed to protect Ukraine, in spite of commitments made at the start of Ukraine's independence. Ukraine had the third largest nuclear arsenal in the world at that time. It gave it all up, courtesy of pressure from Bill Clinton. Mr Clinton stated that he regrets forcing Ukraine to give up its nukes. I don't know how many Ukrainians have died as a result of Russian aggression. I do know how many American military personnel have paid that price. None. So much for American assurances.

You have been bitten by a bug because you apparently don’t understand what I said about who my grandfather fought for in the war.

The problem with all you folks who don’t live in USA is that you all become armchair experts about American politics without living in America and understanding the reasons why the majority of the population in USA is tired of pompous liberals who criticize the hand that feeds them.

Do you see me talking about Australian or British politics? No! Why? Because I don’t live there!
So, respect the will of the people in US and do things yourselves as you’ve said, don’t talk like Zelensky in the White House about what “US is going to feel”.
US is a sovereign country just like Australia and England is a sovereign country.
Things change based on reasons that you don’t want to understand or can’t understand because you don’t live in US, so accept the change and move on or adapt.

Don’t try to guilt trip people when you have no clue about the reasons why people voted Trump and you get upset when I call you out on it.

 

[Eli1]

Tell me exactly how much America is paying Australia. How about some facts instead of assertions. Do you know that the UK was so indebted to America that America was able to blackmail the UK into leaving the Suez Canal to Egypt instead of maintaining the control of France. Brilliant. A Muslim majority country allied to Russia controlling a vital sea route. What could possibly go wrong.

Do you know what an alliance is? I spent 9 years in the RAN. We supported America in Vietnam. We participated in exercises, we went to Iraq twice, we fought in Afghanistan as well as other military activities. America asked us to participate. That's what allies do. We've purchased American military hardware, including ships., tanks, aircraft and helicopters. It's not a hand out.

Australia is not the only country to help out, as I've said. America is obligated to assist Ukraine because it made commitments. I've said a number of times that Europe should be doing more also. Australia has no direct interest in Europe. We have sent military support to Ukraine because we think that democracy, no matter how fragile, is worth defending. We also hate lying bullies such as Putin. Mr Trump's admiration for Putin is a mystery to me.

Do you not see the illogic of your argument? Unless, of course, you want Russia to take over most of Europe. Then it makes sense.

I don't know how much US is paying Australia. Maybe zero dollars. Why are you complaining about Trump then and the will of the people? Because you still don't understand that you fought for your own country in Vietnam or anywhere else?
You think the American taxpayers owe your country or other countries some kind of eternal "debt" because you happened to fight the same enemy as US? What kind of logic is this? Sounds like bitter liberal logic to me when the will of the people says "Enough military and monetary support and let's take care of our own people here in US as a sovereign country".
You sound very confused to me which is understandable because you're not living in USA but in Australia so of course that you have no clue about why millions of people here voted for Trump.

 

[Texasgal]

You have been bitten by a bug because you apparently don’t understand what I said about who my grandfather fought for in the war.

The problem with all you folks who don’t live in USA is that you all become armchair experts about American politics without living in America and understanding the reasons why the majority of the population in USA is tired of pompous liberals who criticize the hand that feeds them.

Do you see me talking about Australian or British politics? No! Why? Because I don’t live there!
So, respect the will of the people in US and do things yourselves as you’ve said, don’t talk like Zelensky in the White House about what “US is going to feel”.
US is a sovereign country just like Australia and England is a sovereign country.
Things change based on reasons that you don’t want to understand or can’t understand because you don’t live in US, so accept the change and move on or adapt.

Don’t try to guilt trip people when you have no clue about the reasons why people voted Trump and you get upset when I call you out on it.

You can be entertaining, but this is way above your pay grade.

 

[Texasgal]

You have been bitten by a bug because you apparently don’t understand what I said about who my grandfather fought for in the war.

The problem with all you folks who don’t live in USA is that you all become armchair experts about American politics without living in America and understanding the reasons why the majority of the population in USA is tired of pompous liberals who criticize the hand that feeds them.

Do you see me talking about Australian or British politics? No! Why? Because I don’t live there!
So, respect the will of the people in US and do things yourselves as you’ve said, don’t talk like Zelensky in the White House about what “US is going to feel”.
US is a sovereign country just like Australia and England is a sovereign country.
Things change based on reasons that you don’t want to understand or can’t understand because you don’t live in US, so accept the change and move on or adapt.

Don’t try to guilt trip people when you have no clue about the reasons why people voted Trump and you get upset when I call you out on it.

But, facts say that you’re an immigrant. Why does that make you an expert?

 

[Eli1]

But, facts say that you’re an immigrant. Why does that make you an expert?

What kind of question is this?
Because Ive been here 30 years so that‘s why.
You guys in the police department do like 39 hours of firearms training a week and 1 hour of training a week on how to talk to people right? (more or less)
This makes you an expert on firearms while I’m a noob at firearms.
Similarly these noobs who speak from their countries have never even been in US as a tourist I’m guessing, never mind living and working here so they could understand the day to day frustrations of the society.

 

[HeIsHere]

But, facts say that you’re an immigrant. Why does that make you an expert?

Exactly, living in a country does not make a person knowledgeable about a country. I can sit in a Cadillac that does not mean I have knowledge or understand how the combustion engine works.

As well, just because one is not a citizen of a country when it comes to Geo-politics, economics etc., etc., one can study and learn about various countries in a very in-depth way going back learning about its history and more.

I find it lazy argumentation to state you do not live here therefore you cannot understand the social, economic, political realities.

Now if you want to know about the views of people in a country then sure you can go speak tothem, live there for a time but again that will only give you a portion of the overall picture of a nation.