Are you in covenant with Yehovah through Jesus or Are you in covenant with Jesus?

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Grace911

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Deu 29:14 Neither with you only do I make this covenant and this oath;
Deu 29:15 But with him that standeth here with us this day before the LORD our God, and also with him that is not here with us this day:
 
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Deu 29:14 Neither with you only do I make this covenant and this oath;
Deu 29:15 But with him that standeth here with us this day before the LORD our God, and also with him that is not here with us this day:

Now that I think of it, I'm not sure? I just know in general that I'm in covenant with God (the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit).

Please explain if you will so I can understand it better.


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Deu 29:14 Neither with you only do I make this covenant and this oath;
Deu 29:15 But with him that standeth here with us this day before the LORD our God, and also with him that is not here with us this day:
I believe that covenant is between us(children of Abraham) and God. Jesus as mediator/lamb/temple/Law etc
 

Pilgrimshope

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Deu 29:14 Neither with you only do I make this covenant and this oath;
Deu 29:15 But with him that standeth here with us this day before the LORD our God, and also with him that is not here with us this day:
“These are the words of the covenant, which the LORD commanded Moses to make with the children of Israel ( jacob) in the land of Moab, beside the covenant which he made with them in Horeb.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭29:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 

TabinRivCA

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A covenant of grace means we are no longer naturally separated from our Heavenly Father / Creator because by HIS doing, he's bridged the gap.
The NT is all about our new relationship to God, along with all it's anointing, through the Blood of the Lamb. 'In Christ' we are joint-heirs to everything Jesus won back, that Adam & Eve lost.
 
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Jesus is Jehovah, when you confess Jesus as Lord (Lord means Jehovah, God of Israel), that is what you are saying according to Romans 10:9-10.

His Name is Above All Names (Philippians 2:4-11).

I am to be clear not Jehovah Witness, it simply is that LORD means Jehovah and we are to confess Jesus as Lord. Not Lord as in a lord of England (House of Lords), but Jesus is LORD God.

Jesus is The I AM Made Flesh.
 
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Jesus is Jehovah, when you confess Jesus as Lord (Lord means Jehovah, God of Israel), that is what you are saying according to Romans 10:9-10.

His Name is Above All Names (Philippians 2:4-11).

I am to be clear not Jehovah Witness, it simply is that LORD means Jehovah and we are to confess Jesus as Lord. Not Lord as in a lord of England (House of Lords), but Jesus is LORD God.

Jesus is The I AM Made Flesh.
Amen the fullness of God bodily , is Jesus

“Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:8-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 

MrE

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Amen the fullness of God bodily , is Jesus

“Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:8-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬
It reads "for in him dwells all the fullness....."

It does not say--- He is the bodily fullness of God.

God is spirit-- WE are His body. He dwells IN us. And this is what the verse states also, no?
 

Pilgrimshope

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It reads "for in him dwells all the fullness....."

It does not say--- He is the bodily fullness of God.

God is spirit-- WE are His body. He dwells IN us. And this is what the verse states also, no?
“It does not say--- He is the bodily fullness of God.”

it says bodily actually . Meaning Jesus is the manifest person of God. God is a spirit you’re correct . And what’s also correct is this God who is a spirit eas manifest in the flesh and blood of a man who’s name is Jesus Christ the Lord , savior and creator of all things

“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭3:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The real question is did Jesus exist before he became flesh ? Was it Jesus saying this before he was born from heaven through prophets ?

In other words is this the same being speaking before he was born in Bethlehem on earth or isn’t it ?

“ Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

…. therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, that I am God. Yea, before the day was I am he; and there is none that can deliver out of my hand: I will work, and who shall let it? Thus saith the LORD, your redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; For your sake I have sent to Babylon, and have brought down all their nobles, and the Chaldeans, whose cry is in the ships.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭43:8-14‬ ‭

whos speaking is it Jesus but just before he has come to earth ? In a different form before the son was born ?
The LORD is in his holy temple, The LORD's throne is in heaven:

His eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭11:4‬ ‭

Is tbat Jesus before he was made flesh and his name was manifest to all people ?

Is this Jesus the Lord speaking about what he would do before hand ?

“I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images. ….The LORD shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies. And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭42:8, 13

It’s just a matter of who the word made flesh was beforhand to understand what I’m saying

“In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

then later we needed a perfect man tomonterceed and save us and here wasn’t one so God became a man setting aside his heavenly glory in order to be the perfect man and save us making himself ( God ) known because he is spirit but we are flesh and blood so he became one of us and taught us so we could know him and have an intercessor ….

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:1, 3, 10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

jesus is God the creator , he became flesh and took upon himself the role of a man in order to be our high priest and intercessor and save those who accept him

“Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭7:25‬ ‭KJV‬‬

And yes we are the temple of God because the spirit of Gods son lives in us
which is the spirit of God


“And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭4:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

God became flesh in order to save us always part of his plan then he was glorified with his former glory having became our high priest forever

Jesus is God in the flesh so we can know him rather than hidden away in heaven so no one ever could know him the true God

“And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

without Jesus Nono e could ever know the true God because he is the fulness of God manifest in the flesh. That’s what I believe anyways God is one Jesus is when he was born in the flesh and became our savior but he’s the same
Being who created all things he also later came and saved it with his blood which requires him to be born in the body of a man

“Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭20:28‬ ‭

i believe Jesus is God manifest in the flesh the fulness of God bodily in one person that’s why they baptize in his name
 

MrE

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#11
“It does not say--- He is the bodily fullness of God.”

it says bodily actually . Meaning Jesus is the manifest person of God. God is a spirit you’re correct . And what’s also correct is this God who is a spirit eas manifest in the flesh and blood of a man who’s name is Jesus Christ the Lord , savior and creator of all things

“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭3:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The real question is did Jesus exist before he became flesh ? Was it Jesus saying this before he was born from heaven through prophets ?

In other words is this the same being speaking before he was born in Bethlehem on earth or isn’t it ?

“ Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

…. therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, that I am God. Yea, before the day was I am he; and there is none that can deliver out of my hand: I will work, and who shall let it? Thus saith the LORD, your redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; For your sake I have sent to Babylon, and have brought down all their nobles, and the Chaldeans, whose cry is in the ships.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭43:8-14‬ ‭

whos speaking is it Jesus but just before he has come to earth ? In a different form before the son was born ?
The LORD is in his holy temple, The LORD's throne is in heaven:

His eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭11:4‬ ‭

Is tbat Jesus before he was made flesh and his name was manifest to all people ?

Is this Jesus the Lord speaking about what he would do before hand ?

“I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images. ….The LORD shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies. And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭42:8, 13

It’s just a matter of who the word made flesh was beforhand to understand what I’m saying

“In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

then later we needed a perfect man tomonterceed and save us and here wasn’t one so God became a man setting aside his heavenly glory in order to be the perfect man and save us making himself ( God ) known because he is spirit but we are flesh and blood so he became one of us and taught us so we could know him and have an intercessor ….

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:1, 3, 10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

jesus is God the creator , he became flesh and took upon himself the role of a man in order to be our high priest and intercessor and save those who accept him

“Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭7:25‬ ‭KJV‬‬

And yes we are the temple of God because the spirit of Gods son lives in us
which is the spirit of God


“And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭4:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

God became flesh in order to save us always part of his plan then he was glorified with his former glory having became our high priest forever

Jesus is God in the flesh so we can know him rather than hidden away in heaven so no one ever could know him the true God

“And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

without Jesus Nono e could ever know the true God because he is the fulness of God manifest in the flesh. That’s what I believe anyways God is one Jesus is when he was born in the flesh and became our savior but he’s the same
Being who created all things he also later came and saved it with his blood which requires him to be born in the body of a man

“Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭20:28‬ ‭

i believe Jesus is God manifest in the flesh the fulness of God bodily in one person that’s why they baptize in his name
Scripture tells us repeatedly it’s what’s inside that counts. The flesh, counts for nothing.

What is manifest is what’s inside. Think of a ship’s manifest— it’s the contents. The jar, the bottle, the tent, the temple— all insignificant when compared to what is contained within the vessel. Jesus, the man—- was the vessel.
 

Pilgrimshope

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#12
Scripture tells us repeatedly it’s what’s inside that counts. The flesh, counts for nothing.

What is manifest is what’s inside. Think of a ship’s manifest— it’s the contents. The jar, the bottle, the tent, the temple— all insignificant when compared to what is contained within the vessel. Jesus, the man—- was the vessel.
I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:51‬ ‭