The US Joins WW3

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Ukraine -- In addition to being the bread basket of Europe Ukraine is also the gateway for Russian tanks to come to Europe. Russia cannot project their military might onto Europe without boots on the ground and the single best way is for them to take Ukraine.
For any true success they would have to hit the Baltics first. That way they could firmly anchor their right flank in Kaliningrad. Giving them Naval support of the Baltic fleet then a solid front through Belarus which they can link up with the left front in Ukraine. Then wheel your left flank around because they are going to want to be able to hit Poland with everything because that is where the first real hard fighting will be.
 

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Clearly..... we are "at war" with none of these.

This is fear-mongering rhetoric at its worst.

You could say we are "in a trade-war" with China-- that would be honest and accurate. But then you'd have to delete the images of rocket-launched weapons, bombs bursting in air, and soldiers on parade. Clearly-- you misrepresented the truth. But you know that.
The desire for WW III is very strong with some.
 

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The desire for WW III is very strong with some.
The denial of WW3 is very strong with others

This happened before, when Russia was massing at the border of Ukraine some of us were saying they were going to attack, time to leave Ukraine, others said we were nervous nellies.

It also happened after Hamas attacked in 2023 and we said this would lead to war with Iran and many said no, this has happened before, nothing to see here.

How many times do these false prophets get to be dead wrong before everyone else figures it out?
 

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The denial of WW3 is very strong with others

This happened before, when Russia was massing at the border of Ukraine some of us were saying they were going to attack, time to leave Ukraine, others said we were nervous nellies.

It also happened after Hamas attacked in 2023 and we said this would lead to war with Iran and many said no, this has happened before, nothing to see here.

How many times do these false prophets get to be dead wrong before everyone else figures it out?
Are you a student of history?

You know what a world war is right?

This ain’t one.
 

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The denial of WW3 is very strong with others

This happened before, when Russia was massing at the border of Ukraine some of us were saying they were going to attack, time to leave Ukraine, others said we were nervous nellies.

It also happened after Hamas attacked in 2023 and we said this would lead to war with Iran and many said no, this has happened before, nothing to see here.

How many times do these false prophets get to be dead wrong before everyone else figures it out?
"We have always been at war with Eastasia"
 

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Are you a student of history?

You know what a world war is right?

This ain’t one.
This war is about who will have the reserve currency. BRICS is an alliance that has prepared an alternate currency for world trade. You can't wipe out the US dollar without doing this first, if the US dollar were destroyed as a world currency the whole world would suffer were it not for BRICS.

Second, once people have an alternative you will see them dump US dollars and treasuries if we are going to war. This is precisely what we are seeing right now and why the price of Gold has gone up 40% in the last year and the major stock indexes in the US are flat for the last year. There is a massive exodus out of US dollar based wealth. This reflects the elites and central banks getting onto the lifeboats and abandoning the US dollar as a reserve currency.

Third, the tariff war is a last ditch desperate attempt by Donald Trump to keep his grip on the US dollar as a reserve currency. At the moment you have to control three things: food which primarily means grain, oil and chips. That means the Mid East, Ukraine and Taiwan. This is a three front war and it will be very difficult if not impossible for the US to win a three front war.

If this were WW1 or WW2 we would have already instituted the draft. We are actively involved in kinetic wars in two theaters and a Mexican standoff in the third theater. The reason we haven't is because of drones, AI, robots, and proxies. But there is no question about the US being actively involved in all three theaters. I suppose one could argue that if we were on a WW2 timeline Germany has not yet invaded Poland but they have already annexed Austria. Therefore it is not unreasonable to argue that we are not yet in a World War. However, "Hitler" is firmly in power, he is annexing territory, and Chamberlain has failed so badly that People are now willing to vote in the Populists (modern day Churchill).

In my opinion the Pandemic was an act of war. The US is now declaring that it was a lab leak in China and so they are making China the scape goat. We clearly have one alliance already made between Russia, China, Iran and N. Korea. The other alliance still seems strong enough, US, NATO and Israel. I also consider the invasion of Ukraine and the attack on Israel to be part of this war, as well as the tariff war that Trump has instituted.
 

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Well @shittim and @ZNP -let me enlighten you both.

A World War is a war involving many large nations in all different parts of the world. The name is reserved thus far to the wars of 1914–18 and 1939–45, and even of those two, only the second one was truly a global conflict.

Hate to burst your 22 page bubble of war-mongering rhetoric, but trade disputes don't qualify as criteria.
 

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Well @shittim and @ZNP -let me enlighten you both.

A World War is a war involving many large nations in all different parts of the world. The name is reserved thus far to the wars of 1914–18 and 1939–45, and even of those two, only the second one was truly a global conflict.

Hate to burst your 22 page bubble of war-mongering rhetoric, but trade disputes don't qualify as criteria.
Well Mr. Ed, Japan entered WW2 because of a trade dispute over oil. Germany was funded by the Rothschilds, Ford, Bush, and others because they were concerned about the spread of Communism from Russia.

Historians can claim that WW2 started officially when Hitler invaded Poland, but that was over a year after annexing Austria, and a year after the night of broken glass. But if you were smart as soon as Hitler took power you left Germany. In fact the "German Miracle" was the evidence that war was coming for anyone paying attention.

Right now Russia, China, Iran, NATO, the US, and Israel are all in a hot war. The only reason it seems far away is because of drones and AI. That is essentially all the major nuclear powers. True, Pakistan and India are not in the war yet, but that will come.

If you live in Ukraine, or Gaza you had a chance to leave but not anymore. In Ukraine you could have left when you saw Russia massing on the border and in Gaza you had years to leave when you heard that the Palestinian government's goal was to totally get rid of Israel.
 

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I am reminded of 911. I was working on the ground floor of the Waldorf Astoria. I was a stock broker and we had an office attached to the hotel. It was 9am, I was at the front desk, behind me was a big screen TV with the news and probably five or six customers dropping off checks on the way to work. The first plane hits the tower and someone says what a terrible accident. I laughed, I said that was no accident. Everyone immediately attacked me, "how can you say that", and "you don't know". I said look, it is blue sky out, that plane flew straight into the building, didn't even try to veer out of the way and no one is allowed to fly over the city. That was intentional. They all said "you don't know that". Then the second plane hit and they all panicked looking to run out of the building. I said "what are you doing? In here you are safe from falling debris, why would you want to go out into the street?" They refused to acknowledge the obvious until it was blatantly obvious and then they were ready to run around like a chicken with their heads cut off. Now is the time to prepare, once the attack comes it is too late to do anything at that point.
 

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I am reminded of 911. I was working on the ground floor of the Waldorf Astoria. I was a stock broker and we had an office attached to the hotel. It was 9am, I was at the front desk, behind me was a big screen TV with the news and probably five or six customers dropping off checks on the way to work. The first plane hits the tower and someone says what a terrible accident. I laughed, I said that was no accident. Everyone immediately attacked me, "how can you say that", and "you don't know". I said look, it is blue sky out, that plane flew straight into the building, didn't even try to veer out of the way and no one is allowed to fly over the city. That was intentional. They all said "you don't know that". Then the second plane hit and they all panicked looking to run out of the building. I said "what are you doing? In here you are safe from falling debris, why would you want to go out into the street?" They refused to acknowledge the obvious until it was blatantly obvious and then they were ready to run around like a chicken with their heads cut off. Now is the time to prepare, once the attack comes it is too late to do anything at that point.

Traumatic, I'm sure. It doesn't change notions into facts.

World War II

World War II is generally considered to have begun on 1 September 1939, when Nazi Germany, under Adolf Hitler, invaded Poland, after which the United Kingdom and France declared war on Germany. Poland was divided between Germany and the Soviet Union under the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact.
 

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History is written by the victors

If Germany had won WW2 would they have said the war started with the invasion of Poland or would they have talked about the 3rd Reich beginning when Hitler came to power? My point is there are many different ways to look at history, but the "winners" get to decide what the official way is. The US and UK do not want to say it began with Hitler coming to power or with the night of broken glass because it exposes their shame. The invasion of Poland is not when the war began from Hitler's point of view, rather it was when the West woke up to the fact that the war had started.

Revelation 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

We can see this beast rising right now. Drones, robots, AI, Quantum computers, Starlink satellites, RFID chips, digital currency, bioweapons, mandated experimental vaccines, quarantine camps, social credit score, censorship, Big data, big surveillance, neuralink and the tariff war designed to crash the dollar and bring in one world digital currency.

If you wait until the beast is fully risen to realize what is going on it is too late.

Warfare is the best example. The level of fighting going on today by Russia, Ukraine, the US, and Yemen is astounding by WW1 standards and amazing by WW2 standards and yet today people can claim we are not at war because most of the fighting is being done by AI and drones. There is no dispute that Yemen Houthis are a proxy for Iran and that Iran is backed by Russia and China. The US and Israel are clearly in a hot war fighting proxies of Iran, China and Russia. Also there is no dispute that NATO has now entered this war in Ukraine. NATO is fighting directly with Russia which is an ally of China and Iran. And yet there is no declaration of war. Why? Because they don't have to declare war until they need to impose a draft. Since they don't need a draft they can continue as is. This is not good news. It used to be that one man like Mohammed Ali could refuse to go to war and his voice would be heard around the globe. Today, they don't care what you say, and most people don't care what is going on as long as they don't have to go fight. This apathy allows the Beast to rise.

Now if the technology is capable of fighting a war with a nuclear power don't you think it is capable of doing many other jobs? 25% unemployment was catastrophic during the Great Depression. I would argue that in a large multinational corporation AI, robots and drones are capable today of replacing 25% of the workforce. That is in the US. In 3rd world countries it is capable of replacing 50% of the workforce. That is today. That is not a projection of ten years from now. But that is not the really scary part.

The really scary part is that we can easily see the day coming where the only way you could keep a job is if you have neuralink connecting your brain to AI.

So then, I am not interested in what "historians" say is the official start of WW3. These are the people who were wrong about WW2. Instead I will go with what the Bible says.

1. Joel says that "the day of the Lord" is "at hand" (ie right next door) when we see the global pandemic shut down businesses giving the entire world a "sabbath rest".

2. Psalm 83 says that the day of the Lord for Israel begins with the Psalm 83 war which began in October of 2023.

Because of what Joel said I refused to get the vaccine. We were forced to make that decision without all the facts. But I did know the powers that were mandated the vaccine were lying, I didn't know why. But does that matter? I also knew that the mandate was illegal, violating international law that the US had agreed to follow. Again, I didn't know why, and again, does that really matter? We heard ad infinitum about being cuckoos who were anti science. Changing the narrative since I was anti liar and anti criminal, not anti science. But now, four years later, we are hearing that China may be missing 800 million people! These estimates come from the WHO, and from Cell phone data and other means of estimating.

Also, because of what Joel said when Russia massed at the border of Ukraine I felt this would result in war, many others felt that they were simply bluffing or doing a military exercise. In my understanding the Pandemic was the "shot across the bow" letting us know we were at war. Hence it made sense that things would heat up and not get better.

I also began sounding the alarm about AI because I realized that AI, drones, robots, 3d printers, these things were simply the Beast rising out of the sea. Other people said we have had new technologies in the past, they simply cause jobs to move to new fields. But that was not true. The industrial revolution put horses and oxen out of business. Also, the computer revolution did create jobs. You needed programmers, manufacturing and sales. The problem is that AI is now replacing programmers, robots are replacing people in manufacturing, and AI can also replace sales. The computer simply created jobs the way a person who is fired is asked to train their replacement before leaving the company. All the jobs that the computer created were temporary until it could do the jobs instead of us.

I am not going to listen to historians as they try to justify the fact that they were blind in the past. In my opinion the Bible has a much better track record of being right and insightful and telling us what will happen before it happens.
 

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I am reminded of 911. I was working on the ground floor of the Waldorf Astoria. I was a stock broker and we had an office attached to the hotel. It was 9am, I was at the front desk, behind me was a big screen TV with the news and probably five or six customers dropping off checks on the way to work. The first plane hits the tower and someone says what a terrible accident. I laughed, I said that was no accident. Everyone immediately attacked me, "how can you say that", and "you don't know". I said look, it is blue sky out, that plane flew straight into the building, didn't even try to veer out of the way and no one is allowed to fly over the city. That was intentional. They all said "you don't know that". Then the second plane hit and they all panicked looking to run out of the building. I said "what are you doing? In here you are safe from falling debris, why would you want to go out into the street?" They refused to acknowledge the obvious until it was blatantly obvious and then they were ready to run around like a chicken with their heads cut off. Now is the time to prepare, once the attack comes it is too late to do anything at that point.
I just realized I left out half the story. One year earlier our church had organized an event outside of the UN at their opening protesting what was going on in Sudan. Our message was if we don't stand against this crime when it is in Sudan then it will come to America. We were planning to hold our second rally on 9/13 but because of 911 all rallies were canceled. So I had been predicting this was coming to the US for a year.

And I suppose I should add this as well since it is relevant. I met one of the hijackers. I opened an account for him at our brokerage firm. When I took the application back to the boss I told the boss in front of three other employees I felt the man was a terrorist. I would have gotten fired over that had it not been for 9/11 so in a way 9/11 saved my job. After 9/11 the State department notified our branch that we had opened an account for one of the terrorists, when we pulled the paperwork it was indeed the person I had expressed concern about. He was a pilot from Saudi Arabia.
 

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I am not going to listen to historians as they try to justify the fact that they were blind in the past. In my opinion the Bible has a much better track record of being right and insightful and telling us what will happen before it happens.
Newsflash! The Bible is a historical narrative.

And people who refuse to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. (Santayana)
Theories don't trump facts.

Nothing wrong with presenting your theories..... but they aren't facts. In fact theories are a coping mechanism for when we lack facts.
 

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And I suppose I should add this as well since it is relevant. I met one of the hijackers. I opened an account for him at our brokerage firm. When I took the application back to the boss I told the boss in front of three other employees I felt the man was a terrorist. I would have gotten fired over that had it not been for 9/11 so in a way 9/11 saved my job. After 9/11 the State department notified our branch that we had opened an account for one of the terrorists, when we pulled the paperwork it was indeed the person I had expressed concern about. He was a pilot from Saudi Arabia.
I'm starting to compile a list of things that never happened. I'll add this to the list.

Ever hear of the 911 Commission? It dug deeply into how the terrorists were financed, and all of their banking activities.

There is no evidence that the 9/11 hijackers had brokerage accounts or engaged in suspicious trading activity before the attacks. While some individuals did purchase put options on American and United Airlines shortly before the attacks, the 9/11 Commission determined these were not tied to the hijackers or al-Qaeda.

https://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/staff_statements/911_TerrFin_Monograph.pdf

As an aside-- I was a firefighter on September 11, 2001-- so I have what you might call a passive interest myself.
 

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Newsflash! The Bible is a historical narrative.

And people who refuse to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. (Santayana)
Theories don't trump facts.

Nothing wrong with presenting your theories..... but they aren't facts. In fact theories are a coping mechanism for when we lack facts.

THE PSALM 83 WAR--HAS IT STARTED?
 

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I'm starting to compile a list of things that never happened. I'll add this to the list.

Ever hear of the 911 Commission? It dug deeply into how the terrorists were financed, and all of their banking activities.

There is no evidence that the 9/11 hijackers had brokerage accounts or engaged in suspicious trading activity before the attacks. While some individuals did purchase put options on American and United Airlines shortly before the attacks, the 9/11 Commission determined these were not tied to the hijackers or al-Qaeda.

https://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/staff_statements/911_TerrFin_Monograph.pdf

As an aside-- I was a firefighter on September 11, 2001-- so I have what you might call a passive interest myself.
They never put any money into this account, but it was opened and we were given the name and pulled the paperwork. I don't remember his name but I do remember he was a Saudi Arabian pilot, that stuck in my mind because he was wearing his pilot's uniform when he came into the office.
 

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Newsflash! The Bible is a historical narrative.
Never in world history has there been a war against Israel that Psalm 83 could be considered an account of. This is the first time in human history all these nations are fighting against Israel at the same time.
 

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They never put any money into this account, but it was opened and we were given the name and pulled the paperwork. I don't remember his name but I do remember he was a Saudi Arabian pilot, that stuck in my mind because he was wearing his pilot's uniform when he came into the office.
My friend. I don't doubt that you have a recollection of some Saudi Arabian pilot opening a brokerage account, but I can assure you that he was not one of the 911 terrorist hijackers. You would have been a part of the 911 Commission Report, not looking at it for the first time in your life.

But cool story Bro. Have a nice day. If you feed your delusions, they will grow. :coffee:
 

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My friend. I don't doubt that you have a recollection of some Saudi Arabian pilot opening a brokerage account, but I can assure you that he was not one of the 911 terrorist hijackers. You would have been a part of the 911 Commission Report, not looking at it for the first time in your life.

But cool story Bro. Have a nice day. If you feed your delusions, they will grow. :coffee:
Wow, you sure seem to think you know everything. Impressive, an omniscient firefighter.

"In the U.S., the hijackers utilised a variety of institutions, including renowned international banks like Bank of America and SunTrust and smaller regional banks including Hudson United Bank and Dime Savings Bank."

https://tdhj.org/blog/post/9-11-terrorist-attacks-financing/

The commission was following the money. No money was put into the account I am referring to and so it did not need to show up in the report. No doubt, they didn't want their name in the report and so they were "a variety of institutions".

However, the threat was if they were going to short the market before the attack. They never did that. Also this account was opened about two weeks before the attack, so it had nothing to do with financing their plans and operation.

Perhaps you should stick to your wheelhouse. No one in the US went to jail after the 2008 mortgage meltdown despite the practice of NINJA mortgages was illegal. The brokerages broke the law, made a ton of money, and when the whole system collapsed the US taxpayer paid the bill and none of them were prosecuted. If you have seriously studied 911 and still trust your government to tell you the whole truth then you are seriously naive.

I taught forensics and would spend a month each year on the 911 commissions report. One of the worst examples of a forensic analysis ever, right up there with the Warren Commission's report on the JFK assassination.
 

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I guess I should add some more background. When I became alarmed at what I was seeing in the 911 investigation I talked to one of my best friends from HS. He was at that time the chief of staff of one of the most powerful senators in the government, I will keep the name out, but this senator was the chairman of one of the most powerful committees on capital hill. Another close friend from HS was the assistant Secretary of State, again, to keep his name out I won't say which administration.

So I asked my friend who was a very smart guy about the 911 investigation. He told me that MIT had issued a report which explained away my concerns. So I read the report. I was stunned. The report used diplomatic speak from an institution that obviously did not want to become the next victim in this, but the report did not in any way "explain away my concerns". On the contrary, if you understood what they were saying, they said that the official explanation was a farce. They didn't use that term, I think it was something like "highly implausible" and then they said "if it was truly what happened here is the physics that would explain it" followed by the mathematical equations that these politicians obviously didn't understand. But then they concluded with the very best part of the whole paper saying it would be easy to confirm if the theory was correct by testing it at the ATF facility. The ATF has a state of the art facility where they could have tested what happened when the planes hit the building and if in fact the fire could have caused the building to implode on itself. We have built this facility so that insurance companies can test out theories on fires to see if they are arson or not as well as test other theories concerning fire safety. The reason that conclusion was so awesome was that it pointed out that the US government never used this state of the art facility to test their absurd theory on what happened on 911. The report my friend gave me from an institution that probably receives billions in US government grants was saying as clearly as they could without becoming roadkill that the official investigation was a farce.