The problem of the statement of “never saved to begin with”
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For some reason you believe that a person cannot throw the free gift in the bin?
Galatians 5:2-4
Behold I, Paul, say to you that if you receive circumcision, Christ will be of no benefit to you.
And I testify again to every man who receives circumcision, that he is under obligation
to keep the whole Law. You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be
justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
You cannot deny what Paul wrote to the Galatians.
You fail to understand what is written in the scripture because you have been sold,
the idea of OSAS.
You say OSAS but Paul says You have been severed from Christ.
Whom am I to believe?
Galatians 5:2-4
Behold I, Paul, say to you that if you receive circumcision, Christ will be of no benefit to you.
And I testify again to every man who receives circumcision, that he is under obligation
to keep the whole Law. You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be
justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
You cannot deny what Paul wrote to the Galatians.
You fail to understand what is written in the scripture because you have been sold,
the idea of OSAS.
You say OSAS but Paul says You have been severed from Christ.
Whom am I to believe?
What can you add to what Christ Jesus has already done?
It is up to God to deal with His adopted children.... sometimes even up to the point of death (Ananias and Sapphira).
But if any person’s work is burned up [under the test], he will suffer the loss [of it all, losing his reward], though he himself will be saved, but only as [one who has passed] through fire.
1 Cor. 3:15
as well..
"It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God."
Hebrews 10:31
God deals with each of children as individuals, I am not going to be a Calvinist/Lordship Salvationist and say God forces people to grow.
It is up to God to deal with His adopted children.... sometimes even up to the point of death (Ananias and Sapphira).
But if any person’s work is burned up [under the test], he will suffer the loss [of it all, losing his reward], though he himself will be saved, but only as [one who has passed] through fire.
1 Cor. 3:15
as well..
"It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God."
Hebrews 10:31
God deals with each of children as individuals, I am not going to be a Calvinist/Lordship Salvationist and say God forces people to grow.
If this is your reasoning then nothing in the Bible is safe.
In the Parable of the Unforgiving Servant, the master represents God and the servant represents mankind.
The servant was not given some quasi-forgiveness, the master had compassion on him and forgave him. Period.
"So, even though his debt was cancelled, ultimately, he was not forgiven."
What poppycock is this?
His debt was cancelled but the master is sovereign. He can give and take away. He can revoke.
Your response is clearly a willful turning of a blind eye to scripture. This parable clashes with your sensibilities hence your absurd retelling of what Jesus was teaching in this parable.
I also do not like the outcome of this parable but I have the intellectual honesty to accept it as written.
I shudder to think what you would do the the Parable of the Lost Son.
"The human father did not have infallibly?"
"The prodigal son came back asking to be like a slave to his father?"
How would you rewrite this parable?
In the Parable of the Unforgiving Servant, the master represents God and the servant represents mankind.
The servant was not given some quasi-forgiveness, the master had compassion on him and forgave him. Period.
"So, even though his debt was cancelled, ultimately, he was not forgiven."
What poppycock is this?
His debt was cancelled but the master is sovereign. He can give and take away. He can revoke.
Your response is clearly a willful turning of a blind eye to scripture. This parable clashes with your sensibilities hence your absurd retelling of what Jesus was teaching in this parable.
I also do not like the outcome of this parable but I have the intellectual honesty to accept it as written.
I shudder to think what you would do the the Parable of the Lost Son.
"The human father did not have infallibly?"
"The prodigal son came back asking to be like a slave to his father?"
How would you rewrite this parable?
Jesus reconciled us to the Father and we were not involved in that reconciliation.
No addition to the perfect sacrifice.
A Christian whose work is destroyed by fire is not related to a Christian who denies Jesus.
They are two different scenarios.
The verse you quoted below is meaningless to an advocate of Perseverance.
"It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God."
Hebrews 10:31
No addition to the perfect sacrifice.
A Christian whose work is destroyed by fire is not related to a Christian who denies Jesus.
They are two different scenarios.
The verse you quoted below is meaningless to an advocate of Perseverance.
"It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God."
Hebrews 10:31
I am Sola Scripture so I do not accept tradition or theology.
The only way that anyone can be wrong in Christ is when they do not read, the New Testament
and understand it.
Your behaviour tells you exactly what you really believe.
Unbelievers always behave the same way they always bear the deeds of the flesh.
The only way that anyone can be wrong in Christ is when they do not read, the New Testament
and understand it.
Your behaviour tells you exactly what you really believe.
Unbelievers always behave the same way they always bear the deeds of the flesh.
This is the twisted logic the Jews were employing, accusing Paul that he was teaching a license to sin, that he was saying people could keep on sinning and that good would come.
To preach saved is saved (GRACE) is not to sanction sin, it's to settle one's trust in the Savior, Christ Jesus.
Why would Paul be accused of teaching that it is okay to do evil? What was Paul's main teaching and preaching? Justification by grace alone through faith alone in the finished and all-sufficient cross-work of Christ alone.
Romans 3:8:
"And not rather, (as we are slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come?
Whose damnation is just."
Take a close look at his response, he is very clearly stating this accusation of a license to sin comes from a heart of unbelief.
Paul's words not mine.
Paul is showing the attitude of unbelief for what it really is in this final desperate attempt to prove self-worthiness.
To preach saved is saved (GRACE) is not to sanction sin, it's to settle one's trust in the Savior, Christ Jesus.
Why would Paul be accused of teaching that it is okay to do evil? What was Paul's main teaching and preaching? Justification by grace alone through faith alone in the finished and all-sufficient cross-work of Christ alone.
Romans 3:8:
"And not rather, (as we are slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come?
Whose damnation is just."
Take a close look at his response, he is very clearly stating this accusation of a license to sin comes from a heart of unbelief.
Paul's words not mine.
Paul is showing the attitude of unbelief for what it really is in this final desperate attempt to prove self-worthiness.