Blasphemy against holyspirit

[GWH]

The Unpardonable Sin is simply to not believe the Gospel, its unpardonable because you cannot be pardoned unless you believe the Gospel: believe in Jesus Christ.

The Scripture is clear:
"I tell you the truth, all sin and blasphemy can be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven. This is a sin with eternal consequences.” He told them this because they were saying, “He’s possessed by an evil spirit.” (Mark 3:28-30).
The people committing the unpardonable sin and blasphemy against the Holy Spirit were rejecting Jesus as Savior, and saying He was doing things by the devil. No Christian can commit this sin.

All who rejected Christ before repenting committed this sin and were pardoned per Eph. 2:1-5,
but Christians who revert to rejecting Christ commit the unpardonable sin of apostasy per Heb. 6:4-6.

 

[SirSolaScriptura]

All who rejected Christ before repenting committed this sin and were pardoned per Eph. 2:1-5,
but Christians who revert to rejecting Christ commit the unpardonable sin of apostasy per Heb. 6:4-6.

Apostasy has always been a divisive thing in the church, there are those who think it can be forgiven (James) and those who think it can't (Hebrews 6), although The Hebrews verses are about going back to the Law to be saved which was settled in Acts 15:1-21.

I mean the Apostle Peter renounced Christ thrice publically, and yet Jesus reinstated him (John Chapter 21).

I believe there is more Scriptures for forgiveness of apostasy than there is for it being unpardonable.

People can fall away for a myriad of reasons, I mean Israel kept falling to other idols over and over in Old Testament and yet God kept pursuing them, The Prophet Hosea and his Wife who kept leaving him was a symbol of that relationship.

There are even verses that indicate a true follower of Jesus can never be lost (John 10:26-30) where Jesus says no one can snatch one of His sheep out of his hands, nor out of the Father's hands.

Then there is the Apostle's John's verses about those who fully fall away and never return not having been saved in the first place, which reminds me of people who accept the gospel for prosperity, being told they will be rich and healed, and when that doesn't pan out they fall away, because it was not the true gospel, it was a import from the West that is Mammonism with Jesus' cross on top.

 

[Jimbone]

Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is more than simply disagreeing with or being angry at or ignoring God. It is an attitude of heart so perverted in it's understanding of reality that it is absolutely upside down and cannot be reverted. People who blaspheme the Holy Spirit are not saved and have never been saved and never will be saved.

The verses you quote are not about that condition.

And they don't worry about if they've lost the chance for salvation or not. If someone is worried that they've committed this sin, they haven't committed it.

 

[GWH]

Apostasy has always been a divisive thing in the church, there are those who think it can be forgiven (James) and those who think it can't (Hebrews 6), although The Hebrews verses are about going back to the Law to be saved which was settled in Acts 15:1-21.

I mean the Apostle Peter renounced Christ thrice publically, and yet Jesus reinstated him (John Chapter 21).

I believe there is more Scriptures for forgiveness of apostasy than there is for it being unpardonable.

People can fall away for a myriad of reasons, I mean Israel kept falling to other idols over and over in Old Testament and yet God kept pursuing them, The Prophet Hosea and his Wife who kept leaving him was a symbol of that relationship.

There are even verses that indicate a true follower of Jesus can never be lost (John 10:26-30) where Jesus says no one can snatch one of His sheep out of his hands, nor out of the Father's hands.

Then there is the Apostle's John's verses about those who fully fall away and never return not having been saved in the first place, which reminds me of people who accept the gospel for prosperity, being told they will be rich and healed, and when that doesn't pan out they fall away, because it was not the true gospel, it was a import from the West that is Mammonism with Jesus' cross on top.

Re "I mean the Apostle Peter renounced Christ thrice publicly, and yet Jesus reinstated him (John Chapter 21).": Peter was being cowardly rather than truly repudiating his faith in Jesus as Lord/Messiah.

And apostasy is intentional, not accidental; thus throwing away rather than losing.

 

[presidente]

Reverting to unbelief after having believed is the unforgivable sin of apostasy,
which seems to be a spiritual decision not to endure in saving faith whether
the insult is voiced or unspoken in Heb. 6:4-6.

Speaking against the Holy Spirit is the unforgiveable sin. One who falls away may find that he cannot repent. Repenting is part of being restored back to God.

 

[GWH]

Speaking against the Holy Spirit is the unforgiveable sin. One who falls away may find that he cannot repent. Repenting is part of being restored back to God.

Speaking is the symptom of what the heart intends. A Christian who intentionally repudiates saving faith will never repent of such apostasy and thus never be forgiven per Hebrews 6:4-6.

 

[presidente]

Speaking is the symptom of what the heart intends. A Christian who intentionally repudiates saving faith will never repent of such apostasy and thus never be forgiven per Hebrews 6:4-6.

Not everyone who does so says something evil against the Holy Spirit.

There are plenty of sinners out there who die in unbelief who never mention the Holy Spirit. But they committed sins that were of a category that could have been forgiven by grace through faith.

It is not enough to merely have not spoken words vilifying the Spirit to be saved. One needs to believe the gospel.

 

[GWH]

Not everyone who does so says something evil against the Holy Spirit.

There are plenty of sinners out there who die in unbelief who never mention the Holy Spirit. But they committed sins that were of a category that could have been forgiven by grace through faith.

It is not enough to merely have not spoken words vilifying the Spirit to be saved. One needs to believe the gospel.

Yes, actions speak louder than words = by their fruit you will know them (Matt. 7:16-20).

 

[FredVB]

If you believe Jesus was doing things that had him going with followers by satanic power, or teach that was what he was doing, as the Pharisee leaders did, you blaspheme the Holy Spirit and will not be forgiven. Context in the Bible is useful and shows this.

 

[wattie]

If you believe Jesus was doing things that had him going with followers by satanic power, or teach that was what he was doing, as the Pharisee leaders did, you blaspheme the Holy Spirit and will not be forgiven. Context in the Bible is useful and shows this.

The thing about this though also, is that a person who has already believed on the Lord Jesus can't do this blasphemy. It isn't about a converted person.

 

[Bible_Locket]

I've always found it strange anyone would think they can insult God. And have God take it personally and curse them in return.

 

[tablet123]

Some people think the unpardonable sin is not accepting Jesus as Savior but that is a sin like any other sin.

A person cannot blaspheme against the Spirit and be forgiven.

But a person can blaspheme against the Son, the man Christ Jesus, the flesh, and be forgiven.

So if a person does not accept Jesus as Savior they can still be forgiven.

That does not mean they are going against God.

Which Paul was a Pharisee and did not accept Jesus but he did not go against God.

And then he accepted Jesus.

The Pharisees said Jesus did miracles by Beelzebub the prince of the devils saying He had an unclean spirit.

Which Jesus had the Holy Spirit a clean spirit so the Pharisees blasphemed against the Spirit for the Spirit is not unclean.

Blasphemy against the Spirit is attributing evil to God.

It appears as if blasphemy against the Spirit is a one time thing and then that is it you are through with no chance to repent to correct it.

For if it can be forgiven then it would be like all other sins which can be forgiven.

For then how is it the unpardonable sin.

It appears if you are bold enough to blaspheme against the Spirit offending God the Lord of all creation and the master of all things who was loving to give people their needs, and salvation, then you are through.

No second chances.

Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse.
Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.

Creation testifies of a higher power and of His attributes which one of them is love for He provided food, and the means to make clothing, and shelter, so the world is without excuse.

No person starts off being an atheist but will look up to a higher power.

Atheism is a decision they make later on in life.

So there is no excuse if they blaspheme God for they knew Him but made the choice to go against that.

 

[OMC]

“Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.”— Matthew 12:34
Speech is not random. It is the symptom of the heart’s moral and spiritual condition.
So when a professing Christian intentionally repudiates saving faith, their speech reveals:
a hardened heart
a willful rejection of Christ
a decisive turning away from grace
a heart that no longer desires repentance
This is exactly the condition Hebrews 6 describes.
The text says, “It is impossible… to renew them again unto repentance.”
Why?
Because the apostate has:
been enlightened
tasted the heavenly gift
shared in the Holy Spirit
tasted the good word of God
tasted the powers of the age to come
and then fallen away
This is not a weak believer. This is not someone struggling. This is not someone doubting.
This is someone who has:
fully known the truth
fully experienced the Spirit’s witness
fully understood the gospel
and then deliberately rejected Christ
That rejection is final.
“They crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put Him to open shame.”
This means,
They side with Christ’s enemies
They declare Christ’s death worthless
They reject the only sacrifice for sin
They harden themselves beyond recovery
They make repentance morally impossible
This is not God refusing repentance. It is the apostate losing the capacity to repent.
Their heart becomes:
spiritually calloused
morally fixed
irrevocably hardened
permanently resistant to grace
This is why they will never repent.
A person who intentionally repudiates saving faith commits apostasy.
Apostasy is irreversible because the heart becomes permanently hardened, making repentance morally impossible.
Hebrews 6:4–6 teaches that such a person will never repent and therefore will never be forgiven.
This is not because God refuses forgiveness. It is because the apostate refuses Christ with finality

 

[presidente]

If you believe Jesus was doing things that had him going with followers by satanic power, or teach that was what he was doing, as the Pharisee leaders did, you blaspheme the Holy Spirit and will not be forgiven. Context in the Bible is useful and shows this.

False. The issue was speaking this idea out, not believing it.

Yes, the Greek root for blaspheme contains a component that means to speak.
The English verb "blaspheme" comes from the Ancient Greek verb βλασφημέω (blasphēmeō), which is built from two distinct parts: [1, 2, 3]

• • The second part: The word-root φήμη (phēmē), which means "utterance, talk, speech, or reputation." This is directly tied to the Greek verb φημί (phēmi), which literally means "to say, speak, or affirm." [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
  • The first part: The root βλάξ (blax) meaning "sluggish/lazy" or, more commonly cited by linguists, βλάβη (blabē) / βλάπτ

And in the context, they were also speaking against the Spirit by which He was casting out devils, accusing the Spirit of being an unclean spirit in the book of Mark, and of being Beelzebub in Matthew.

But these passages do not say that those who doubted or did not believe in Jesus who had not spoken such things were irredeemable.