The US Joins WW3

[MrE]

I guess I should add some more background.

My list keeps growing.

A helpful tip>>> When you are trying to get out of a hole, stop digging.

 

[ZNP]

My list keeps growing.

A helpful tip>>> When you are trying to get out of a hole, stop digging.

I'm not trying to get out of a hole. 911 was our warning, it was the last chance the US had to repent. Jonathan Cahn does a very good job of explaining that from the Bible in his book The Harbinger.

I have seen people like you, smug, assured they are right, but what have you really said? If the US gets attacked tomorrow in a surprise attack, you will simply say that is the start of WW3, nothing you said was wrong.

Which of course brings up another story I have shared but should repeat it here. My dad was 12 years old when Pearl Harbor was attacked. He was on the island, my grandfather was in the navy. Their house is now a historical marker as part of the story of what happened. But the point I want to make is that on the morning of the attack a subordinate officer was on duty as it was Sunday morning. He saw the Japanese planes on radar when they were thirty minutes out. What he should have done at that moment was sound the alarm. The airforce could have sent out scouts and in fifteen minutes radioed back confirmation. It takes 15 minutes for the ships to power up and get ready to sail, so the ships could have stayed in their births until they got confirmation but had they then left the docks the entire outcome of the war would have been different. But he didn't do that. He knew that the blips on the screen could also be commercial airlines. I believe it is better to be safe than sorry. His cowardice to sound the alarm because he might be mistaken probably resulted in 100,000 Americans dying in the Pacific theater and anywhere from 3 to 10 times that wounded. I consider that officer to be one of the biggest villains of WW2, he was a clown, and yet no one hears about him.

 

[MrE]

I just can't. I'm tapping out. But you have fun telling your stories.

Which of course brings up another story

 

[ZNP]

This guy is coming with all the evidence twenty years ago I was completely sold on Peak oil being a fact, however, he does an excellent job of debunking Peak oil. Add to that the fact that none of the apocalyptic predictions of peak oil came true it has opened us up to ask why and he does a great job of responding to that. The fear of the world running out of oil has had a huge impact on government policy for the last forty years, ever since Jimmy Carter it has been central to US policy.

I think it is safe to assume the US government is aware of this for the last five years which makes you wonder why the urgent push to get people to stop using "fossil" fuel. Also that term "fossil" is also being disputed as many large oil fields have recharged. Perhaps not fully, but we have known for years that our estimates on how much oil is in a field we have been pumping for forty or sixty years is far less than we actually were able to pull out of the ground. This has caused a reassessment of what everyone was taught about oil taking millions of years to form from "dinosaurs" (or other forms of ancient life). Instead a theory that is gaining traction based on data from these oil fields is that oil is part of the carbon cycle and that it comes from Methane hydrates at the bottom of the ocean as Plate tectonics pushes the ocean crust beneath the continental crust and cooks them into petroleum.

Wars are usually the result of a shortage of some key resource. If the governments know that we do not have a shortage of oil (and this link provides a lot of evidence to the effect that governments do know this) then what is the impending threat that has them all in a panic?

 

[ZNP]

When does WW3 start?

Let's change the question and ask when did the gospel of Jesus Christ begin? We have four official accounts and if you want I'll include Romans which is considered the gospel according to Paul.

1. According to Matthew the gospel begins with the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham. So they begin with the promise spoken by God to Abraham and later to David.

2. According to Mark it begins when John the Baptist begins his ministry as a fulfillment of the prophecy that God would send His messenger before the Lord's face.

3. According to Luke it begins about 30 years earlier than Mark when Zacharias the priest learned that he would have a son named John.

4. According to John the beginning was the word that brought forth the creation. John tells us that Jesus is the incarnated word and that word was first manifested at the creation when God spoke all things into being.

5. For Paul in the book of Romans it begins for him when he begins serving the Lord in his spirit in the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Now there are ramifications for not realizing the when the gospel of Jesus Christ began.

Matthew 2:1 Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,

When Jesus was born we are told in Luke that the shepherds tending their flocks were visited by angels who told them and they went to Bethlehem and beheld Jesus. Bethlehem was not a big town, you would think everyone in that town heard about Jesus.

2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him. 3 When Herod the king had heard these things, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him.

But after that we get this event more than a year later. According to this "all Jerusalem" was troubled by this event. It was "front page news". Bethlehem is only a few miles away from Jerusalem. Today we would consider it the suburbs. Surely they heard about this news as well and this would now be the second time they had heard that Jesus was born the king of the Jews.

4 And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born. 5 And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet, 6 And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel.

Maybe you don't want to believe some strange vision of the shepherds, maybe you don't want to believe these wise men coming from Babylon, but what about your own prophets and priests?

7 Then Herod, when he had privily called the wise men, enquired of them diligently what time the star appeared. 8 And he sent them to Bethlehem, and said, Go and search diligently for the young child; and when ye have found him, bring me word again, that I may come and worship him also. 9 When they had heard the king, they departed; and, lo, the star, which they saw in the east, went before them, till it came and stood over where the young child was. 10 When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceeding great joy.

Especially if these three witnesses are confirmed with a star in the heavens that God tells us only He controls.

11 And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense and myrrh. 12 And being warned of God in a dream that they should not return to Herod, they departed into their own country another way. 13 And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him.

Do you really think the Spirit will only warn Joseph? What about all the parents of the others small boys, if they were seeking God for guidance concerning Jesus Christ, why wouldn't they warn them as well?

14 When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt: 15 And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.

If anyone knows anything about small towns everyone in the town would know that Joseph and Mary are gone the next day. Let's be real, Jesus is by far the most famous baby Bethlehem has ever had. Who sneaks away at night? There were no street lamps, you are riding in a cart at night with a small child when it is most dangerous? They have been in Bethlehem for several years, both Joseph and Mary are descended from David's line so they had relatives in this town and they sneak away without telling anyone?

16 Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently inquired of the wise men.

This is the consequence for those not paying attention. Jesus is the king, there are a lot of very powerful entities, the least of which was Herod, who want Him dead. Every Jew should have known that. You had two years to study the scriptures concerning the Messiah once you realized He was living next door.

17 Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremiah the prophet, saying, 18 In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are not.

Why are they Rachel's children? Why not Leah's? David is descended from Judah and Judah was Leah's son. Leah had seven of Jacob's children while Rachel only had two. The Bible explains why she is considered the mother of all Israel despite only having two of Jacob's 13 children. The explanation is in Jeremiah and Genesis, I'll summarize it. There was a rivalry going on between Leah and Rachel. Eventually Leah, and the two maids all had little babies to care for and Rachel was looking like she would wind up childless. She makes a decision then that she wants to be part of the family and even if she doesn't have her own children she is the aunt to all these kids and she wants to celebrate them as well. Reuben brings home some wildflowers to his mom and so Rachel asks for some of the flowers so she could put them in her room as well. This is when Rachel learns that Leah blames her for marrying Jacob. She was being treated as an unwanted wife who deceived her husband into marrying her. So Rachel makes peace with her sister saying that if she could share in the children by being a loving aunt, then the flowers would be payment for Leah to sleep with Jacob that night. Jacob had made a payment for his wife and got deceived and now Leah can go tell him she has made payment for him so there is no deception and they can start afresh. This is why Rachel is the mother of Israel, she embraced all the children. All these parents of other 2 year old boys, were they jealous of Jesus? Did that jealousy blind their eyes? I believe that anyone who sought God during that time would have been warned. Yes, the death of these children fulfilled prophecy, but what was the prophecy really saying? We know Herod was jealous, but does anyone really believe he was the only one?

 

[studier]

Wow, you sure seem to think you know everything.

Seriously? You're saying this to someone else?

 

[MrE]

Seriously? You're saying this to someone else?

Let me give you a little story, for background.

You were working as a waitress in a cocktail bar, when I met you.... I picked you out, I shook you up and turned you around--
Turned you into someone new...

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

Wow, you sure seem to think you know everything. Impressive, an omniscient firefighter.

"In the U.S., the hijackers utilised a variety of institutions, including renowned international banks like Bank of America and SunTrust and smaller regional banks including Hudson United Bank and Dime Savings Bank."

https://tdhj.org/blog/post/9-11-terrorist-attacks-financing/

The commission was following the money. No money was put into the account I am referring to and so it did not need to show up in the report. No doubt, they didn't want their name in the report and so they were "a variety of institutions".

However, the threat was if they were going to short the market before the attack. They never did that. Also this account was opened about two weeks before the attack, so it had nothing to do with financing their plans and operation.

Perhaps you should stick to your wheelhouse. No one in the US went to jail after the 2008 mortgage meltdown despite the practice of NINJA mortgages was illegal. The brokerages broke the law, made a ton of money, and when the whole system collapsed the US taxpayer paid the bill and none of them were prosecuted. If you have seriously studied 911 and still trust your government to tell you the whole truth then you are seriously naive.

I taught forensics and would spend a month each year on the 911 commissions report. One of the worst examples of a forensic analysis ever, right up there with the Warren Commission's report on the JFK assassination.

Alex Jones was just talking about this the other day. He predicted the details of the event and gave out the phone numbers to the proper officials so the listeners could call before the attack and tell them to stop it. Even though he investigated it more than any person on the planet after September 11, the commission refused to contact him for an interview.

 

[ZNP]

Alex Jones was just talking about this the other day. He predicted the details of the event and gave out the phone numbers to the proper officials so the listeners could call before the attack and tell them to stop it. Even though he investigated it more than any person on the planet after September 11, the commission refused to contact him for an interview.

I don't doubt it. I have no knowledge of Alex Jones but I have studied this attack and feel the evidence is very strong that it was an inside job. As far as I am concerned the most persuasive evidence to me is the way in which the investigation was done after the attack, it was a coverup, not an investigation. I believe this is the warning of 9/11, the enemy is within the camp.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

I don't doubt it. I have no knowledge of Alex Jones but I have studied this attack and feel the evidence is very strong that it was an inside job. As far as I am concerned the most persuasive evidence to me is the way in which the investigation was done after the attack, it was a coverup, not an investigation. I believe this is the warning of 9/11, the enemy is within the camp.

9// Road to Tyranny is the first Documentary that was published.
I posted it a time or two at the anniversary on previous years if you want to watch it.

I've gone to conferences with witnesses, like the last man out, and top investigators and had serious lengthy conversations. I found that we can learn a LOT about current events just by going back to that event and studying the history.

 

[ZNP]

9// Road to Tyranny is the first Documentary that was published.
I posted it a time or two at the anniversary on previous years if you want to watch it.

I've gone to conferences with witnesses, like the last man out, and top investigators and had serious lengthy conversations. I found that we can learn a LOT about current events just by going back to that event and studying the history.

When I taught forensics we would spend a month doing in depth research on three very big topics for forensics during the second semester. I picked JFK assassination, 911 and the Shroud of Turin. I wanted three very different topics to demonstrate the breadth and scope of forensics. Forensics is not just used to solve crimes it is also used to identify forgeries. I had read an article that said that the Shroud of Turin was the most heavily studied artifact in human history and that is what caught my attention. I also wanted three cases where they had not been resolved, there was still a dispute over the outcome.

With JFK the first thought I had was how could anyone be so bold and brazen to think they could get away with assassinating the president. The answer of course is that they knew they would control the investigation.

This is what is so offensive to people when they hear you claim Oswald didn't do it. No one really cares, they aren't trying to protect the killers, what bothers them is that if Oswald was a patsy then the corruption is much more serious than just Oswald.

The second thing that struck me was how easy it was to debunk the official narrative on all three of these cases. At a superficial level it seems simple, neat, tidy, all wrapped up with a bow around it. But dig just a little and you realize the official narrative makes no sense at all (for example Building 7 at the World Trade Center). What struck me about this was how lazy Americans are. It is the only way the criminals can get away with it. They know that 80% of Americans are too lazy to even investigate a little. Even if 20% do ask questions all you have to do is ridicule, and mock them and half of them will back off. Then of the other 10% you simply have to ostracize them. If they have a significant role at the FBI, ATF, DOJ, Media, or US government they can destroy their career, everyone else just simply portray them as disaffected miserable loners.

The third thing that hit me was the cowardice. In every case there are people who know the truth, and stand strong despite the ridicule and mockery. But for every one who stands strong you will see two or three that are simply cowards. It is like the JFK movie where the girl says "If they will kill the President do you think they'll hesitate to kill me?"

This is how lies are perpetrated. People don't want to know the truth, they are too lazy to seek it out, and even if they do know the truth 75% of those people are too cowardly to do anything about it.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

When I taught forensics we would spend a month doing in depth research on three very big topics for forensics during the second semester. I picked JFK assassination, 911 and the Shroud of Turin. I wanted three very different topics to demonstrate the breadth and scope of forensics. Forensics is not just used to solve crimes it is also used to identify forgeries. I had read an article that said that the Shroud of Turin was the most heavily studied artifact in human history and that is what caught my attention. I also wanted three cases where they had not been resolved, there was still a dispute over the outcome.

Are you former F🐝I ?
That's who teaches those classes in all of the college programs.

With JFK the first thought I had was how could anyone be so bold and brazen to think they could get away with assassinating the president. The answer of course is that they knew they would control the investigation.

This is what is so offensive to people when they hear you claim Oswald didn't do it. No one really cares, they aren't trying to protect the killers, what bothers them is that if Oswald was a patsy then the corruption is much more serious than just Oswald.

To expand on that thought, I would say that some go so far as to idolize the objects of trust. The media they choose to listen to has much to do with who they decide to idolize.

The second thing that struck me was how easy it was to debunk the official narrative on all three of these cases. At a superficial level it seems simple, neat, tidy, all wrapped up with a bow around it. But dig just a little and you realize the official narrative makes no sense at all (for example Building 7 at the World Trade Center). What struck me about this was how lazy Americans are. It is the only way the criminals can get away with it. They know that 80% of Americans are too lazy to even investigate a little. Even if 20% do ask questions all you have to do is ridicule, and mock them and half of them will back off. Then of the other 10% you simply have to ostracize them. If they have a significant role at the FBI, ATF, DOJ, Media, or US government they can destroy their career, everyone else just simply portray them as disaffected miserable loners.

You are familiar with the history of the term "conspiracy theory". If I remember correctly you addressed that with another member ...dude(?)
It's hard to believe how effective that technique has been used to dismiss and marginalize the truth.

The third thing that hit me was the cowardice. In every case there are people who know the truth, and stand strong despite the ridicule and mockery. But for every one who stands strong you will see two or three that are simply cowards. It is like the JFK movie where the girl says "If they will kill the President do you think they'll hesitate to kill me?"

This is how lies are perpetrated. People don't want to know the truth, they are too lazy to seek it out, and even if they do know the truth 75% of those people are too cowardly to do anything about it.

Those are all very well thought through deductions.
The reasons you enumerate really gives the enemies of truth a big advantage.
Do you have any suggestions how we can convince others of the truth, not in necessarily any particular category?

 

[ZNP]

Do you have any suggestions how we can convince others of the truth, not in necessarily any particular category?

I am not worried about convincing others, that is not my job. Speak truth, Psalm 42 says "deep calleth unto deep". If you speak from the spirit it will call to those who are spiritual.

 

[MrE]

I am not worried about convincing others, that is not my job. Speak truth, Psalm 42 says "deep calleth unto deep". If you speak from the spirit it will call to those who are spiritual.

Hope you have had a happy birthday.

From the spirit.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

I am not worried about convincing others, that is not my job. Speak truth, Psalm 42 says "deep calleth unto deep". If you speak from the spirit it will call to those who are spiritual.

I see from our friend Mr E that it's your Birthday. Happy Birthday! (belated)

11For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end. 12Then shall ye call upon me, and ye shall go and pray unto me, and I will hearken unto you. 13And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.
Jeremiah 29

 

[studier]

I am not worried about convincing others, that is not my job. Speak truth, Psalm 42 says "deep calleth unto deep". If you speak from the spirit it will call to those who are spiritual.

What's convincing about some of your prolific writing? You believed and wrote the rapture was two weeks away 4-5 weeks ago. Then you shifted that to be about the Pope's death. This is speaking truth? How many of these failed and pliable truths have you posted over the years?

Ps42 is speaking about you speaking to other deeply spiritual people? Are you sure?

 

[studier]

Let me give you a little story, for background.

You were working as a waitress in a cocktail bar, when I met you.... I picked you out, I shook you up and turned you around--
Turned you into someone new...

No emoji seemed sufficient.

 

[ZNP]

What's convincing about some of your prolific writing? You believed and wrote the rapture was two weeks away 4-5 weeks ago. Then you shifted that to be about the Pope's death. This is speaking truth? How many of these failed and pliable truths have you posted over the years?

Ps42 is speaking about you speaking to other deeply spiritual people? Are you sure?

Yes, I felt it was imminent just as others felt it wasn't. There is nothing "failed" about having an opinion.

My main objection to most bible teachers on eschatology is that there is no way to verify or test their interpretation.

I feel that my approach is much more scientific, just like Thomas Edison once said, he didn't fail 99 times, rather he found 99 ways that didn't work. These aren't simply stabs in the dark they are based on biblical interpretation and so I can go back and see where that interpretation was off.

The spirit if prophecy is not about predicting the future, it is about the testimony of Jesus who is the incarnated word of God. What I am doing is studying the word of God, what others are doing is telling people they can't study the word of God.

 

[ZNP]

Seriously? You're saying this to someone else?

I like to bring a smile to people when I can.

 

[ZNP]

Hope you have had a happy birthday.

From the spirit.

We went out to a very nice banquet, 5,000 people were there supporting a ministry that helps women who are pregnant and don't want to get an abortion.