Saved by faith alone?
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why do I think?
Because the word tells me so
Gen 15: 6 And he believed in the Lord, and He accounted it to him for righteousness.
Paul tells us in romans, we who are Gods are saved the same way
Rom 4: 16 Therefore it is of faith that it might be according to grace, so that the promise might be sure to all the seed, not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all
what kind of faith did Abraham have?
21 and being fully convinced that what He had promised He was also able to perform. 22 And therefore “it was accounted to him for righteousness.”
23 Now it was not written for his sake alone that it was imputed to him, 24 but also for us. It shall be imputed to us who believe in Him who raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead, 25 who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was raised because of our justification.
Are you assured God is able to do what he promised.. Are do you waver in faith thinking God can not do it without your help (works)
Because the word tells me so
Gen 15: 6 And he believed in the Lord, and He accounted it to him for righteousness.
Paul tells us in romans, we who are Gods are saved the same way
Rom 4: 16 Therefore it is of faith that it might be according to grace, so that the promise might be sure to all the seed, not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all
what kind of faith did Abraham have?
21 and being fully convinced that what He had promised He was also able to perform. 22 And therefore “it was accounted to him for righteousness.”
23 Now it was not written for his sake alone that it was imputed to him, 24 but also for us. It shall be imputed to us who believe in Him who raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead, 25 who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was raised because of our justification.
Are you assured God is able to do what he promised.. Are do you waver in faith thinking God can not do it without your help (works)
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Interestingly, the word "saved" does not occur in any of the texts you cited to support your assumption that
Everlasting-Grace said:
Abraham was saved BEFORE he obeyed him.
Everlasting-Grace said:
Abraham was saved BEFORE he obeyed him.
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So Abraham was given righteousness. but he was not saved.
Hey, Good to know where your comming from.
I will stick with reality though
If you have not been imputed righteousness. Your lost.
If you were imputed righteousness, that act SAVED YOU
What work could you possibly due to pay for your own sin.. thats what I would like to know. where does your mindset come from?
Hey, Good to know where your comming from.
I will stick with reality though
If you have not been imputed righteousness. Your lost.
If you were imputed righteousness, that act SAVED YOU
What work could you possibly due to pay for your own sin.. thats what I would like to know. where does your mindset come from?
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The term omnilove refers to the 7 pearls: 1John 4:7-12, Rom. 5:8, Matt. 5:44&48, Gal. 5:6&14, Eph. 3:17b-19, Eph. 5:2 and 1Tim. 2:3-4.
Logically, every action of God must be consistent with the will of God, which includes both love and justice. Thus, hell must be the just or righteous consequence of unrighteous hatred, so it is wrong to divorce divine attributes.
As I just posted elsewhere: Pictures of agony should be understood as portraying the agony of the victims of sinful perps and also the just consequence/agony of the perps reaping what they have sown. IOW, unrepentant sinners punish themselves.
Thanks for comparing our beliefs:
Groovy - God loves all sinners but rightly allows unrepentant sinners to suffer the just consequence of their atheist attitude.
Cameron - God hates some sinners, and allowing them to experience hell is righteous because it does not contradict His hatred???
Logically, every action of God must be consistent with the will of God, which includes both love and justice. Thus, hell must be the just or righteous consequence of unrighteous hatred, so it is wrong to divorce divine attributes.
As I just posted elsewhere: Pictures of agony should be understood as portraying the agony of the victims of sinful perps and also the just consequence/agony of the perps reaping what they have sown. IOW, unrepentant sinners punish themselves.
Thanks for comparing our beliefs:
Groovy - God loves all sinners but rightly allows unrepentant sinners to suffer the just consequence of their atheist attitude.
Cameron - God hates some sinners, and allowing them to experience hell is righteous because it does not contradict His hatred???
You are over the target, but have misidentified the target. You asked me a question which I answered. Then you misrepresent my beliefs and then wonder why there is no unity. Even the phrasing of your response has a confrontational bent.
I appreciate the discussion, but see no profit in continuing. Grace and peace.
I appreciate the discussion, but see no profit in continuing. Grace and peace.
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Misrepresentation may be easily corrected by stating the correct presentation.
I apologize for seeming to be confrontational; my intent is urging you to present your view,
so perhaps we can harmonize our points of disagreement and achieve unity in that part of the discussion.
So again:
Groovy - God loves all sinners but rightly allows unrepentant sinners to suffer the just consequence of their atheist attitude.
Cameron - ???
I apologize for seeming to be confrontational; my intent is urging you to present your view,
so perhaps we can harmonize our points of disagreement and achieve unity in that part of the discussion.
So again:
Groovy - God loves all sinners but rightly allows unrepentant sinners to suffer the just consequence of their atheist attitude.
Cameron - ???
