Understanding God’s election

[aChristian2]

Romans 8 verse 29-30; Ephesians 1 verse 5 ~ Those God foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers. And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified. He predestined us for adoption as His sons through Jesus Christ, according to the good pleasure of His will.

HEY ALL, MY CHRISTIAN FAMILY, I read these posts, a very old conversation, and I have watch many a debates over the years, and I have never seen any one concede their position, yet I digress!

knowledge is one thing,,, JESUS says they will know us by our love for one another. If we do not have love we have nothing.

death to self, in GOD'S GREAT POWER & Mercy

to overcome the works of the devil this is WHY JESUS came into the world.

two kingdoms one of death (serving the self, at the devils table, in his kingdom, whom you serve is your master)....or THE LIGHTED KINGDOM, LOVE, CHARITY, serving GOD thru JESUS, death to self,

do not be without love what ever you believe, living in the self can be very deceptive, be careful that your not serving in the devils kingdom, promoting his kingdom, as I believe in the end, we will be like unto the virgins with no oil in our lamps (although they two were waiting for the Masters return, yet unprepared).

It is of course All by GODS GRACE, THRU JESUS, for I can never earn or deserve to be saved, yet I have a King (JESUS) a LORD & a GOD.... why call ME Lord, Lord, and do not the things that I SAY, says JESUS.... Reformation, if you want to save your life , lose it for HIS SAKE

one question I might have for you is this.. do you thing that JESUS will collect us from the devils table?, I believe in all my heart that scripture does not teach this....

I suggest three hours of prayer a day, divorce ourselves from Egypt ( the world/devils kingdom)

on my lips, IS there Mercy for me GOD, in JESUS, as I cry, Is there Mercy for me, Is There Mercy for me... not of works, nothing but the Blood Of JESUS....

in peace & love

 

[Magenta]

HEY ALL, MY CHRISTIAN FAMILY, I read these posts, a very old conversation, and I have watch many a debates over the years, and I have never seen any one concede their position, yet I digress!

knowledge is one thing,,, JESUS says they will know us by our love for one another. If we do not have love we have nothing.

death to self, in GOD'S GREAT POWER & Mercy

to overcome the works of the devil this is WHY JESUS came into the world.

two kingdoms one of death (serving the self, at the devils table, in his kingdom, whom you serve is your master)....or THE LIGHTED KINGDOM, LOVE, CHARITY, serving GOD thru JESUS, death to self,

do not be without love what ever you believe, living in the self can be very deceptive, be careful that your not serving in the devils kingdom, promoting his kingdom, as I believe in the end, we will be like unto the virgins with no oil in our lamps (although they two were waiting for the Masters return, yet unprepared).

It is of course All by GODS GRACE, THRU JESUS, for I can never earn or deserve to be saved, yet I have a King (JESUS) a LORD & a GOD.... why call ME Lord, Lord, and do not the things that I SAY, says JESUS.... Reformation, if you want to save your life , lose it for HIS SAKE

one question I might have for you is this.. do you thing that JESUS will collect us from the devils table?, I believe in all my heart that scripture does not teach this....

I suggest three hours of prayer a day, divorce ourselves from Egypt ( the world/devils kingdom)

on my lips, IS there Mercy for me GOD, in JESUS, as I cry, Is there Mercy for me, Is There Mercy for me... not of works, nothing but the Blood Of JESUS....

in peace & love

John 10 verses 14-16 ~ I am the good shepherd. I know My sheep and My sheep know Me, just as the Father knows Me and I know the Father. And I lay down My life for the sheep. I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them in as well, and they will listen to My voice. Then there will be one flock and one shepherd.

 

[rogerg]

I look forward to reading your file. I Promise to keep an open mind, but will have to see proof that every child is saved.

Me too! This should prove really interesting! I almost think I didn't fully understand @Rufus's intent.

 

[GWH]

Me too! This should prove really interesting! I almost think I didn't fully understand @Rufus's intent.

I wonder if he will advocate infanticide.

 

[lrs68]

I hope that you are not one of those “age of accountability” posters that I have noticed from time to time. I say this because I see nothing in scripture which indicates that age plays any part in salvation. I do, however, see scripture which indicates that we are saved by grace alone.
Grace in scripture is bestowed upon individuals regardless of their actions or worthiness, highlighting God's boundless love and mercy not something earned, that is essential for spiritual growth and salvation.
I believe that anyone regardless of age (1 min – many years) may receive God's grace. However, God owes His grace to nobody!

In the Book of Exodus God instructed Moses that He doesn't desire that any person should perish eternally. God even furthered His notion by explaining the person is able to choose life over death.

I said that ^ to say this: how old is someone when they are able to choose life or death? Anyone before that age doesn't seem to qualify.

 

[BillyBob]

Me too! This should prove really interesting! I almost think I didn't fully understand @Rufus's intent.

Me too! I respect his opinion very much - but it will take a lot to convince me that all children not understanding right/wrong will be saved, since we are all born in sin. I do however think that God will have mercy on many!

 

[rogerg]

In the Book of Exodus God instructed Moses that He doesn't desire that any person should perish eternally. God even furthered His notion by explaining the person is able to choose life over death.

I said that ^ to say this: how old is someone when they are able to choose life or death? Anyone before that age doesn't seem to qualify.

That was based upon the Old Covenant stipulations. There is no choice possible for those whom God placed under the New Covenant -
as they were already chosen by Him for salvation.

 

[lrs68]

That was based upon the Old Covenant stipulations. There is no choice possible for those whom God placed under the New Covenant -
as they were already chosen by Him for salvation.

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


Verse 18 explains that the LAW doesn't pass away until HEAVEN AND EARTH pass. We know that won't happen until our own future. So even though we have Grace the LAW is still not finished.

 

[lrs68]

Verse 19 even explains we should continue to teach the LAW and who teaches the LAW will be considered GREAT in Heaven.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

 

[rogerg]

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


Verse 18 explains that the LAW doesn't pass away until HEAVEN AND EARTH pass. We know that won't happen until our own future. So even though we have Grace the LAW is still not finished.

[Heb 7:11-13, 16, 18-19, 21-24 KJV]
11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need [was there] that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. ...
13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life. ...
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope [did]; by the which we draw nigh unto God. ...
21 (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou [art] a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec
22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
24 But this [man], because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.

 

[lrs68]

[Heb 7:11-13, 16, 18-19, 21-24 KJV]
11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need [was there] that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. ...
13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life. ...
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope [did]; by the which we draw nigh unto God. ...
21 (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou [art] a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec
22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
24 But this [man], because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.

The words of Jesus, or let's be clear GOD, it outranks everything else.

 

[rogerg]

Verse 19 even explains we should continue to teach the LAW and who teaches the LAW will be considered GREAT in Heaven.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

We should by no means continue to teach the keeping of the LAW in order to be judged worthy of salvation.
There are, however, laws God and Christ glorifying that the Chistian is called to follow as a reflection upon Christ.
For the true Christian, if we do not adhere to those, God will chastise us more and more severely over time until it is no
longer worth continuing and we will cease from it.

[Heb 12:6-9 KJV]
6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected [us], and we gave [them] reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

 

[lrs68]

We should by no means continue to teach the keeping of the LAW in order to be judged worthy of salvation.
There are, however, laws God and Christ glorifying that the Chistian is called to follow as a reflection upon Christ.
For the true Christian, if we do not adhere to those, God will chastise us more and more severely over time until it is no
longer worth continuing and we will cease from it.

[Heb 12:6-9 KJV]
6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected [us], and we gave [them] reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

Jesus told us to continue to preach it until heaven and earth pass away.

 

[rogerg]

The words of Jesus, or let's be clear GOD, it outranks everything else.

No WAY - not even close to being correct. God wrote the WHOLE Bible - it is one integrated book from beginning to end that reflects
His sacred doctrines.

 

[rogerg]

Jesus told us to continue to preach it until heaven and earth pass away.

Regarding eternal salvation there are only two eternal laws of consequence that should be preached:
1) the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus, as opposed to
2) the law of sin and death. The law of sin and death is the law of works

This is not to say laws of morality and that glorify God should not be preached because they should be, nevertheless, the keeping of them will not save us.

 

[lrs68]

No WAY - not even close to being correct. God wrote the WHOLE Bible - it is one integrated book from beginning to end that reflects
His sacred doctrines.

God wrote the Bible but none of it says what Jesus said about the LAW we should stop understanding it and teaching it because to know what Jesus accomplished you need to compare it to the LAW.

 

[lrs68]

Regarding eternal salvation there are only two eternal laws of consequence that should be preached:
1) the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus, as opposed to
2) the law of sin and death. The law of sin and death is the law of works

This is not to say laws of morality and that glorify God should not be preached because they should be, nevertheless, the keeping of them will not save us.

That is man made doctrine.
Who follows man made doctrine, YOU?

 

[rogerg]

That is man made doctrine.
Who follows man made doctrine, YOU?

Man made doctrine? What are you talking about? In each of my posts I quoted the Bible alone. It is just
that, at least for now, you are still captive to, and believe in, the law of sin and death - the law of works-
and are blind to that. Doesn't mean though that God won't give you a new spirit, heart and renew your mind at some point.

 

[rogerg]

God wrote the Bible but none of it says what Jesus said about the LAW we should stop understanding it and teaching it because to know what Jesus accomplished you need to compare it to the LAW.

Compare it to the law of works, that is.

 

[lrs68]

Man made doctrine? What are you talking about? In each of my posts I quoted the Bible alone. It is just
that, at least for now, you are still captive to, and believe in, the law of sin and death - the law of works-
and are blind to that. Doesn't mean though that God won't give you a new spirit, heart and renew your mind at some point.

You quoted the Bible but fail to see it is backing everything Jesus said. Since you think it means different than what Jesus said that is absolutely 100% man made doctrine.