Jesus' death of popular culture, vs. what the Bible says

[LeeLoving]

Just writing an observation. When I read the Bible it only says that Jesus died for our sins (1 Corinthians 15:4), I don't recall it going beyond that (though I might be way wrong). I have an impression that that is where forgiveness comes in, that Jesus died for our sins and so we can be forgiven since we have no sins against us in the eyes of God. I don't know that to be the truth, but it is an impression I have. Nowhere in the Bible do I read that Jesus is our substitute (Jesus received an immeasurably lesser fate than that of someone who dies in their sins will receive) or that he received our punishment, or that he "paid our sin-debt". Just that he died for our sins. Is it a bad idea to go beyond this? Often times someone in the media I watch or a pastor will say something like Jesus paid the debt we owed or something along those lines and I don't know what else to say about that other than that it makes sense, but it's not what's written in the Bible, the Bible says he died for our sins. I understand the logic behind it, death is the wages for sin, we have sinned and thus deserve death, Jesus died in our place dying the death we deserve, we can believe this and be saved by having this credited to us since Jesus died in our place. The language used to espouse this belief often varies from person to person but it's a common belief "Jesus paid our debt". I just don't see that written anywhere in the Bible. What I do see though is that Jesus died for our sins. I also see in Isaiah 53 that God killed Jesus for our sins ("Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him"), which would make sense. I am not an expert and I might be completely wrong, but Isaiah 53:10 goes on to say,

10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

Which is what I think may have happened with Old Testament sacrifices, all of someone's sins would be laid on an animal and then that animal would be killed for that person's sin (I might be completely wrong about this, please correct me if I am). It makes sense that Jesus is the Lamb of God, which takes away the sin of the world, not that he paid my sin-debt.

 

[LeeLoving]

Just writing an observation. When I read the Bible it only says that Jesus died for our sins (1 Corinthians 15:4), I don't recall it going beyond that (though I might be way wrong). I have an impression that that is where forgiveness comes in, that Jesus died for our sins and so we can be forgiven since we have no sins against us in the eyes of God. I don't know that to be the truth, but it is an impression I have. Nowhere in the Bible do I read that Jesus is our substitute (Jesus received an immeasurably lesser fate than that of someone who dies in their sins will receive) or that he received our punishment, or that he "paid our sin-debt". Just that he died for our sins. Is it a bad idea to go beyond this? Often times someone in the media I watch or a pastor will say something like Jesus paid the debt we owed or something along those lines and I don't know what else to say about that other than that it makes sense, but it's not what's written in the Bible, the Bible says he died for our sins. I understand the logic behind it, death is the wages for sin, we have sinned and thus deserve death, Jesus died in our place dying the death we deserve, we can believe this and be saved by having this credited to us since Jesus died in our place. The language used to espouse this belief often varies from person to person but it's a common belief "Jesus paid our debt". I just don't see that written anywhere in the Bible. What I do see though is that Jesus died for our sins. I also see in Isaiah 53 that God killed Jesus for our sins ("Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him"), which would make sense. I am not an expert and I might be completely wrong, but Isaiah 53:10 goes on to say,

10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

Which is what I think may have happened with Old Testament sacrifices, all of someone's sins would be laid on an animal and then that animal would be killed for that person's sin (I might be completely wrong about this, please correct me if I am). It makes sense that Jesus is the Lamb of God, which takes away the sin of the world, not that he paid my sin-debt.

Sorry 1 Corinthians 15:3 *

 

[homwardbound]

Just writing an observation. When I read the Bible it only says that Jesus died for our sins (1 Corinthians 15:4), I don't recall it going beyond that (though I might be way wrong). I have an impression that that is where forgiveness comes in, that Jesus died for our sins and so we can be forgiven since we have no sins against us in the eyes of God. I don't know that to be the truth, but it is an impression I have. Nowhere in the Bible do I read that Jesus is our substitute (Jesus received an immeasurably lesser fate than that of someone who dies in their sins will receive) or that he received our punishment, or that he "paid our sin-debt". Just that he died for our sins. Is it a bad idea to go beyond this? Often times someone in the media I watch or a pastor will say something like Jesus paid the debt we owed or something along those lines and I don't know what else to say about that other than that it makes sense, but it's not what's written in the Bible, the Bible says he died for our sins. I understand the logic behind it, death is the wages for sin, we have sinned and thus deserve death, Jesus died in our place dying the death we deserve, we can believe this and be saved by having this credited to us since Jesus died in our place. The language used to espouse this belief often varies from person to person but it's a common belief "Jesus paid our debt". I just don't see that written anywhere in the Bible. What I do see though is that Jesus died for our sins. I also see in Isaiah 53 that God killed Jesus for our sins ("Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him"), which would make sense. I am not an expert and I might be completely wrong, but Isaiah 53:10 goes on to say,

10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

Which is what I think may have happened with Old Testament sacrifices, all of someone's sins would be laid on an animal and then that animal would be killed for that person's sin (I might be completely wrong about this, please correct me if I am). It makes sense that Jesus is the Lamb of God, which takes away the sin of the world, not that he paid my sin-debt.

(John1:29) took them away for us to be able to now go to the throne of grace (Psalm 100:4) and ask Father, Daddy, PaPa for the new life offered us in the risen Son to us, and Father takes all in that are sincere, not ever wanting to use it for to get away with harming self or others ever again as the Corinthians did at first, being 100% forgiven forever. Being the reason Corinthians got written to, to straighten out the thought they got attached to. Thought was, hey I am 100% forgiven, therefore I can do whatever I desire and not have any care for others in that process. Is the thought they compromised on and harmed others, eating all the food, drinking and carousing and having sex with others, whether they wanted to or not. They felt to be able to get away with whatever they chose, since are forgiven. That Paul revealed is taking grace given for granted and they repented as stated in 2 Cor 7
New life for us all is in the risen Son to get given to us by Father in the Holy Spirit

 

[Magenta]

Isaiah 53:5 But He was pierced for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon Him, and by His stripes we are healed. 6We all like sheep have gone astray, each one has turned to his own way; and the LORD has laid upon Him the iniquity of us all.…

1 Peter 2:24
He Himself bore our sins in His body on the tree, so that we might die to sin and live to righteousness. “By His stripes you are healed.”

Matthew 8:17
This was to fulfill what was spoken through the prophet Isaiah: “He took up our infirmities and carried our diseases.”

Romans 5:6-8
For at just the right time, while we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly. Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous man, though for a good man someone might possibly dare to die. But God proves His love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

2 Corinthians 5:21
God made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God.

Hebrews 9:28
so also Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many; and He will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who eagerly await Him.

Galatians 3:13
Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us. For it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree.”

1 John 3:5
But you know that Christ appeared to take away sins, and in Him there is no sin.

Mark 10:45
For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life as a ransom for many.

Zechariah 12:10
Then I will pour out on the house of David and on the people of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and prayer, and they will look on Me, the One they have pierced. They will mourn for Him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for Him as one grieves for a firstborn son.

Genesis 3:15
And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed. He will crush your head, and you will strike his heel.”

Isaiah 53:10
Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for
sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

1 Peter 2:24
Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead
to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

 

[homwardbound]

AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks Magenta

 

[Magenta]

1 Peter 2 verse 24 (Isaiah 53 verse 5, Matthew 8 verse 17) Romans 6 verse 6 plus from 1 John 3 verse 5 ~ He Himself bore our sins in His body on the tree, so that we might die to sin and live to righteousness. “By His stripes you are healed.” Our old self was crucified with Him so that the body of sin might be rendered powerless, that we should no longer be slaves to sin. Jesus came to take away our sins, and there is no sin in Him.
Thank you for the inspiration .

 

[greenonions]

Just writing an observation. When I read the Bible it only says that Jesus died for our sins (1 Corinthians 15:4), I don't recall it going beyond that (though I might be way wrong). I have an impression that that is where forgiveness comes in, that Jesus died for our sins and so we can be forgiven since we have no sins against us in the eyes of God. I don't know that to be the truth, but it is an impression I have. Nowhere in the Bible do I read that Jesus is our substitute (Jesus received an immeasurably lesser fate than that of someone who dies in their sins will receive) or that he received our punishment, or that he "paid our sin-debt". Just that he died for our sins. Is it a bad idea to go beyond this? Often times someone in the media I watch or a pastor will say something like Jesus paid the debt we owed or something along those lines and I don't know what else to say about that other than that it makes sense, but it's not what's written in the Bible, the Bible says he died for our sins. I understand the logic behind it, death is the wages for sin, we have sinned and thus deserve death, Jesus died in our place dying the death we deserve, we can believe this and be saved by having this credited to us since Jesus died in our place. The language used to espouse this belief often varies from person to person but it's a common belief "Jesus paid our debt". I just don't see that written anywhere in the Bible. What I do see though is that Jesus died for our sins. I also see in Isaiah 53 that God killed Jesus for our sins ("Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him"), which would make sense. I am not an expert and I might be completely wrong, but Isaiah 53:10 goes on to say,

10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

Which is what I think may have happened with Old Testament sacrifices, all of someone's sins would be laid on an animal and then that animal would be killed for that person's sin (I might be completely wrong about this, please correct me if I am). It makes sense that Jesus is the Lamb of God, which takes away the sin of the world, not that he paid my sin-debt.

Jesus used debt as a metaphor for sin: e.g. The Lord's Prayer (Matthew 6:12, 14-15), Parable of the Unmerciful Servant (Matthew 18:21-35), Jesus Anointed by a Sinful Woman (Luke 7:36-50).

Another place where sin and debt are mentioned together is Colossians 2:13-14 (ESV):

"And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross."

Jesus' death as "payment" is not really words used in the Bible. The more common terms are "redeemed" and "ransom" which typically involve payment.

Hebrews 9:15 (ESV) "Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant." (Also Galatians 3:13; 4:5; Titus 2:14; Revelation 14:3-4)

Mark 10:45 (ESV) "For even the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.” (Also Matthew 20:28; 1 Timothy 2:6; 1 Peter 1:18; Revelation 5:9)

I think Jesus paying our sin-debt is perhaps simplified language to describe what is in the Bible, and is not too far off.

Definitely the animal sacrifices are object lessons that should help us understand Jesus' sacrifice. What do you see as the difference between taking away sin and paying the sin debt?

 

[LeeLoving]

Jesus used debt as a metaphor for sin: e.g. The Lord's Prayer (Matthew 6:12, 14-15), Parable of the Unmerciful Servant (Matthew 18:21-35), Jesus Anointed by a Sinful Woman (Luke 7:36-50).

Another place where sin and debt are mentioned together is Colossians 2:13-14 (ESV):

"And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross."

Jesus' death as "payment" is not really words used in the Bible. The more common terms are "redeemed" and "ransom" which typically involve payment.

Hebrews 9:15 (ESV) "Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant." (Also Galatians 3:13; 4:5; Titus 2:14; Revelation 14:3-4)

Mark 10:45 (ESV) "For even the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.” (Also Matthew 20:28; 1 Timothy 2:6; 1 Peter 1:18; Revelation 5:9)

I think Jesus paying our sin-debt is perhaps simplified language to describe what is in the Bible, and is not too far off.

Definitely the animal sacrifices are object lessons that should help us understand Jesus' sacrifice. What do you see as the difference between taking away sin and paying the sin debt?

Well my understanding is that Jesus is the Lamb of God. I don't have a complete understanding, but if I'm correct our sins were laid on him and he died for them (as if he was guilty, though he was not, to put it into words). So in that sense he takes away our sins because that is how God sees it, that Jesus died for them. The "sin-debt" theology just doesn't match up with what I understand from the Bible. Like that Jesus died in our place for our sins and paid our debt. It seems to be something else, because I just don't see the language in the Bible. It's close though, I suppose. I'm not preaching by the way, this is just my observation.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Just writing an observation. When I read the Bible it only says that Jesus died for our sins (1 Corinthians 15:4), I don't recall it going beyond that (though I might be way wrong). I have an impression that that is where forgiveness comes in, that Jesus died for our sins and so we can be forgiven since we have no sins against us in the eyes of God. I don't know that to be the truth, but it is an impression I have. Nowhere in the Bible do I read that Jesus is our substitute (Jesus received an immeasurably lesser fate than that of someone who dies in their sins will receive) or that he received our punishment, or that he "paid our sin-debt". Just that he died for our sins. Is it a bad idea to go beyond this? Often times someone in the media I watch or a pastor will say something like Jesus paid the debt we owed or something along those lines and I don't know what else to say about that other than that it makes sense, but it's not what's written in the Bible, the Bible says he died for our sins. I understand the logic behind it, death is the wages for sin, we have sinned and thus deserve death, Jesus died in our place dying the death we deserve, we can believe this and be saved by having this credited to us since Jesus died in our place. The language used to espouse this belief often varies from person to person but it's a common belief "Jesus paid our debt". I just don't see that written anywhere in the Bible. What I do see though is that Jesus died for our sins. I also see in Isaiah 53 that God killed Jesus for our sins ("Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him"), which would make sense. I am not an expert and I might be completely wrong, but Isaiah 53:10 goes on to say,

10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

Which is what I think may have happened with Old Testament sacrifices, all of someone's sins would be laid on an animal and then that animal would be killed for that person's sin (I might be completely wrong about this, please correct me if I am). It makes sense that Jesus is the Lamb of God, which takes away the sin of the world, not that he paid my sin-debt.

“Nowhere in the Bible do I read that Jesus is our substitute (Jesus received an immeasurably lesser fate than that of someone who dies in their sins will receive) or that he received our punishment, or that he "paid our sin-debt". Just that he died for our sins.”

“Sin debt “ is not a biblical term but it comes from the idea th at God declared that all sinners must die because of thier sins

“Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭18:4‬ ‭

The idea is like we all owe God our life because we have all sinned at some point because we sinned

“Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin–; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written. And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭32:32-33‬ ‭KJV‬‬

abut look here what that would mean

“for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if everyone who sons had to die then everyone is lost to death because we all sin at some point and fall inder condemnation

this is our “ debt “ as sinners to God who declared early that sin is certain death. Or “ the wages of sin is death “

also of Jesus died for our sins Thisnos where the term him dying to pay our sin debt comes from it’s a concept so people can inderersnd . Humans understand debt and owing more than he can pay back and we can nderetwnd forgiveness of a debt also

a Jesus death is the means by which this is fulfilled

“the soul that sinneth, it shall die.”


Thats what this is about fulfilling the above we believe this

“For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

awe then do this

“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? ( for our sins ) Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: ( the sinner has now died with him to fulfill Gods word of death against sinners ) that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For he that is dead is freed from sin. Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin,

but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:3-4, 7, 11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Christ took all sin upon Himself and died in our place because we were going to for sure.

“My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Gods word of condemnation unto death for all who sin is fulfilled in the suffering and death of Jesus his son. This is why we must accept him without his death we have to pay the penalty of death for our sins Gods word had to be fulfilled but he didn’t want to end humanity he chose to save us instead offering atonement and a propitiation for the sins we all owed death to repay

sin debt is a concept to help us understand what he’s done for us

if Jesus died for our sins it’s because we had a debt to pay he paid but he’s also going to judge everyone he died for that’s where the misunderstandings arise

usually to inderstsnd the New Testament we need to be familiar with what happened and what God said on the old

he old says we’re hopeless sinners and no one is worthy

a the new says one man was worthy and he took up all our iniquity upon himself suffered for it and died the result is that he can justifiably remit our sins having paid the price in full that was required being death it’s like redeeming a slave in tbe Old Testament you have to pay the redemption price they owe and then they belong to you and you can free them if you choose

“Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The end of the law is the death of a sinner because the debt they owe for thier sins is reconciled when they die . Jesus took our place and gave us a way to be saved

 

[birdie]

Just writing an observation. When I read the Bible it only says that Jesus died for our sins (1 Corinthians 15:4), I don't recall it going beyond that (though I might be way wrong). I have an impression that that is where forgiveness comes in, that Jesus died for our sins and so we can be forgiven since we have no sins against us in the eyes of God. I don't know that to be the truth, but it is an impression I have. Nowhere in the Bible do I read that Jesus is our substitute (Jesus received an immeasurably lesser fate than that of someone who dies in their sins will receive) or that he received our punishment, or that he "paid our sin-debt". Just that he died for our sins. Is it a bad idea to go beyond this? Often times someone in the media I watch or a pastor will say something like Jesus paid the debt we owed or something along those lines and I don't know what else to say about that other than that it makes sense, but it's not what's written in the Bible, the Bible says he died for our sins. I understand the logic behind it, death is the wages for sin, we have sinned and thus deserve death, Jesus died in our place dying the death we deserve, we can believe this and be saved by having this credited to us since Jesus died in our place. The language used to espouse this belief often varies from person to person but it's a common belief "Jesus paid our debt". I just don't see that written anywhere in the Bible. What I do see though is that Jesus died for our sins. I also see in Isaiah 53 that God killed Jesus for our sins ("Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him"), which would make sense. I am not an expert and I might be completely wrong, but Isaiah 53:10 goes on to say,

10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

Which is what I think may have happened with Old Testament sacrifices, all of someone's sins would be laid on an animal and then that animal would be killed for that person's sin (I might be completely wrong about this, please correct me if I am). It makes sense that Jesus is the Lamb of God, which takes away the sin of the world, not that he paid my sin-debt.

Thanks LeeLoving, for your comments.

Jesus, who knew no sin and was completely without sin, became sin. We read, "For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. " So, Jesus went from being a someone with no sin whatsoever to instead become sin itself. Why did God the father send Jesus to do this? The verse says, it is so "that we might be made the righteousness of God in him". We believers, however, had sin, but, thanks to God, became without sin.

This can be seen in the case of the serpent that God told Moses to put on a pole. "And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live. "

This fiery serpent on a pole is a picture of Jesus on the cross. He is a serpent, meaning that he is sin. Everyone else, who was bitten by sin, so to speak, was subject to the death that comes from that sin. That's because the law says that when someone sins they will die. But thanks be to God that when we look at Jesus on the cross, we live instead of dying. We see Jesus satisfying the law's demand that death should come because of sin. He himself became that death instead. Therefore, the law no longer has power over us to put us to death.

"But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. " Notice that it was OUR iniquities that he bore chastisement for, and that because of HIS stripes WE are healed.

Interestingly, Jesus did not stay on the cross. If we had died, it would have been permanent death. But in Jesus' case, specifically because of God, he rose again with the power of an endless life, to ever live to make intercession for his own. So, God demonstrates that he loves us and that it is possible to live forever in Christ.

"Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: "

 

[Aaron56]

@LeeLoving

It is good to explore these areas of doubt for more clarity. Dare I say most people never think to (or dare to) question long-held axioms preached from pulpits.

Some have provided solid answers from the scriptures. Study on them so that the answer you seek may resonate with your spirit.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

@LeeLoving

It is good to explore these areas of doubt for more clarity. Dare I say most people never think to (or dare to) question long-held axioms preached from pulpits.

Some have provided solid answers from the scriptures. Study on them so that the answer you seek may resonate with your spirit.

“Dare I say most people never think to (or dare to) question long-held axioms preached from pulpits.”

When I was young and capable I used to be a roofer . when I first started we just used hammers before the air compressor was really a thing used with nail guns ect …….that statement really hit the nail on the head brother you would have made a good roofer in the seventies n eighties lol

 

[birdie]

"Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed."

 

[homwardbound]

“Nowhere in the Bible do I read that Jesus is our substitute (Jesus received an immeasurably lesser fate than that of someone who dies in their sins will receive) or that he received our punishment, or that he "paid our sin-debt". Just that he died for our sins.”

“Sin debt “ is not a biblical term but it comes from the idea th at God declared that all sinners must die because of thier sins

“Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭18:4‬ ‭

The idea is like we all owe God our life because we have all sinned at some point because we sinned

“Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin–; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written. And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭32:32-33‬ ‭KJV‬‬

abut look here what that would mean

“for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if everyone who sons had to die then everyone is lost to death because we all sin at some point and fall inder condemnation

this is our “ debt “ as sinners to God who declared early that sin is certain death. Or “ the wages of sin is death “

also of Jesus died for our sins Thisnos where the term him dying to pay our sin debt comes from it’s a concept so people can inderersnd . Humans understand debt and owing more than he can pay back and we can nderetwnd forgiveness of a debt also

a Jesus death is the means by which this is fulfilled

“the soul that sinneth, it shall die.”


Thats what this is about fulfilling the above we believe this

“For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

awe then do this

“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? ( for our sins ) Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: ( the sinner has now died with him to fulfill Gods word of death against sinners ) that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For he that is dead is freed from sin. Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin,

but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:3-4, 7, 11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Christ took all sin upon Himself and died in our place because we were going to for sure.

“My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Gods word of condemnation unto death for all who sin is fulfilled in the suffering and death of Jesus his son. This is why we must accept him without his death we have to pay the penalty of death for our sins Gods word had to be fulfilled but he didn’t want to end humanity he chose to save us instead offering atonement and a propitiation for the sins we all owed death to repay

sin debt is a concept to help us understand what he’s done for us

if Jesus died for our sins it’s because we had a debt to pay he paid but he’s also going to judge everyone he died for that’s where the misunderstandings arise

usually to inderstsnd the New Testament we need to be familiar with what happened and what God said on the old

he old says we’re hopeless sinners and no one is worthy

a the new says one man was worthy and he took up all our iniquity upon himself suffered for it and died the result is that he can justifiably remit our sins having paid the price in full that was required being death it’s like redeeming a slave in tbe Old Testament you have to pay the redemption price they owe and then they belong to you and you can free them if you choose

“Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The end of the law is the death of a sinner because the debt they owe for thier sins is reconciled when they die . Jesus took our place and gave us a way to be saved

Willingly, being dead daily in this flesh body, to be held alive in God Father and Son's truth for us all as own Acts 17:28 to me, thanks for the post in truth

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Willingly, being dead daily in this flesh body, to be held alive in God Father and Son's truth for us all as own Acts 17:28 to me, thanks for the post in truth

“and hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;

that they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: for in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭17:26-28‬ ‭

“This I say then, Walk in the Spirit,

and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“It is the spirit that quickeneth;

the flesh profiteth nothing:

the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:63‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:12‬ ‭

“The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God. ..,,and the glory of the LORD shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

The voice said, Cry. And he said, What shall I cry? All flesh is grass, and all the goodliness thereof is as the flower of the field: the grass withereth, the flower fadeth: because the spirit of the LORD bloweth upon it: surely the people is grass. The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.

Behold, the Lord GOD will come with strong hand, and his arm shall rule for him: behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him. He shall feed his flock like a shepherd: he shall gather the lambs with his arm, and carry them in his bosom, and shall gently lead those that are with young.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭40:3, 5-8, 10-11‬ ‭

“And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. ……..My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.”
‭‭John‬ ‭10:16, 27-28‬ ‭

“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:31-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭11:26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

God bless brother thanks for your posts also

 

[homwardbound]

“and hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;

that they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: for in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭17:26-28‬ ‭

“This I say then, Walk in the Spirit,

and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“It is the spirit that quickeneth;

the flesh profiteth nothing:

the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:63‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:12‬ ‭

“The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God. ..,,and the glory of the LORD shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

The voice said, Cry. And he said, What shall I cry? All flesh is grass, and all the goodliness thereof is as the flower of the field: the grass withereth, the flower fadeth: because the spirit of the LORD bloweth upon it: surely the people is grass. The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.

Behold, the Lord GOD will come with strong hand, and his arm shall rule for him: behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him. He shall feed his flock like a shepherd: he shall gather the lambs with his arm, and carry them in his bosom, and shall gently lead those that are with young.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭40:3, 5-8, 10-11‬ ‭

“And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. ……..My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.”
‭‭John‬ ‭10:16, 27-28‬ ‭

“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:31-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭11:26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

God bless brother thanks for your posts also

Not easy, to see through the veil, many try, yet only Father and Son as Won can reveal it to anyone, daddy, chooses to who, when and where, Father knows best. I know Daddy chooses for all to see it in reality. Then the free choice to choose to be made and set free or not yet!
Wow, to Father and Son, who has not stopped the Love and mercy for everyone, to choose to believe or not and be new in God's Father's Spirit and truth, humbly, no more pride or guilt of the flesh it is dead, thanks

 

[SirSolaScriptura]

Jesus made propitiation for our sins, which is something that few talk about,
"He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world." (1 John 2:2)

Propitiation is: the act of appeasing God's wrath.

Jesus paid for and bore our sins, and took on God's wrath in our place.