Not By Works
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Well, I was hoping to get an example of the "strong attacks" without wading through the thread,
but maybe I will do so sometime. I was just curious, because I have been attacked pretty strongly,
but I just think it is because they were having a bad hair day although I do apologize for my part of
the misunderstanding, and I try to let a disagreement drop before it becomes quarrelsome.
but maybe I will do so sometime. I was just curious, because I have been attacked pretty strongly,
but I just think it is because they were having a bad hair day although I do apologize for my part of
the misunderstanding, and I try to let a disagreement drop before it becomes quarrelsome.
You did not answer my questions.
We all agree that our initial salvation is achieved independently of any works we have done up to that point.
All your citations use the past tense: He saved us. So it is talking about a past event, our initial salvation, not a present event. Do you have any verses that say anything like "He is saving us regardless of any works being done in wickedness... "?
Or anything like, "He will be saving us in the first resurrection regardless of any works of wickedness we did or are doing ... "?
We all agree that our initial salvation is achieved independently of any works we have done up to that point.
All your citations use the past tense: He saved us. So it is talking about a past event, our initial salvation, not a present event. Do you have any verses that say anything like "He is saving us regardless of any works being done in wickedness... "?
Or anything like, "He will be saving us in the first resurrection regardless of any works of wickedness we did or are doing ... "?
Interpret as you like or twist it anyway you choose but we believe Paul wrote the New Testament Book of Hebrews and these 3 verses are enlightening.
4 For as touching those who were once enlightened and tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Spirit,
5 and tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the age to come,
6 and then fell away, it is impossible to renew them again unto repentance
4 For as touching those who were once enlightened and tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Spirit,
5 and tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the age to come,
6 and then fell away, it is impossible to renew them again unto repentance
Well, during this teenage period I associated only with Christian friends, mainly the church youth group.
Then in college the friendships continued, mainly at the Baptist Student Union.
Then in the Navy I met new Christian friends, and associated mainly with my wife after we were married while stationed in Germany.
Then after I was discharged I associated with Christians while attending seminary.
And so things went along without any occasion for me to witness to unbelievers as I studied GW
until I participated in an Army chat forum, during which time I gained confidence via practice in explaining
my beliefs, culminating in debating the Atheists of Austin at one of their monthly meetings.
(I must have been nuts! :^)
Then in college the friendships continued, mainly at the Baptist Student Union.
Then in the Navy I met new Christian friends, and associated mainly with my wife after we were married while stationed in Germany.
Then after I was discharged I associated with Christians while attending seminary.
And so things went along without any occasion for me to witness to unbelievers as I studied GW
until I participated in an Army chat forum, during which time I gained confidence via practice in explaining
my beliefs, culminating in debating the Atheists of Austin at one of their monthly meetings.
(I must have been nuts! :^)
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