Making a case for women in leadership

[lrs68]

I would say he's giving an educated opinion of these things he says because of church traditions/customs.

Read this carefully, because it speaks about christian traditions/customs:
1 cor 11
1Be imitators of me, just as I also am of Christ.
2Now I praise you because you remember me in everything and hold firmly to the traditions, just as I handed them down to you. 3But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and [a]the man is the head of a woman, and God is the head of Christ. 4Every man who has something on his head while praying or prophesying disgraces his head. 5But every woman who has her head uncovered while praying or prophesying disgraces her head, for it is one and the same as the woman whose head is shaved. 6For if a woman does not cover [c]her head, have her also [d]cut her hair off; however, if it is disgraceful for a woman to [e]have her hair cut off or [f]her head shaved, have her cover [g]her head. 7For a man should not have his head covered, since he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man. 8For man [h]does not originate from woman, but woman from man; 9for indeed man was not created for the woman’s sake, but woman for the man’s sake. 10Therefore the woman should have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels. 11However, in the Lord, neither is woman independent of man, nor is man [j]independent of woman. 12For as the woman originated from the man, so also the man has his birth through the woman; and all things originate from God. 13Judge [k]for yourselves: is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered? 14Does even nature itself not teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a dishonor to him, 15but if a woman has long hair, it is a glory to her? For her hair is given to her as a covering. 16But if anyone is inclined to be contentious, we have no [l]such practice(custom/tradition), nor have the churches of God.

To the wise reader, this may explain a lot about what's allowed in the church (customs/traditions), and what is the absolute will of God.
I'm treading lightly here, so be patient with this post.
Traditions/customs were allowed to some degree in the church.
This was the custom of women having long hair.
Paul is saying if someone challenges this custom, it's not worth keeping to bring contention into the church.

We would do well to investigate the scriptures to determine if an issue is a church custom/tradition, or absolute theology.
Some folks aren't going to take this teaching well.

Yes, I do agree with traditions but not the new Church rather the traditions of the Synagogues where only men can be a Pharisee, Sadducees, Scribe, or any of the other religious groups\roles one could be a part of.

This is why I wonder because nowhere else is the issue of women leadership addressed at all.

 

[lrs68]

Oh, I totally agree and I'm comfortable with following the Biblical rules.... I've even asked God to give me firmer guidelines for things that are not clearly laid out in the Bible, but He said He'd rather I learned to follow the Spirit haha. 😂

I'm definitely inclined towards rule-following but have come to realize that the spirit of the law is much more important, otherwise we start arguing about whether a man must give up ministry if his wife dies, does he have to have more than one kid (it does say "children", right?), and does he still qualify if his kid hasn't reached the age of discipline? Stuff like that... like, how near-sighted do we need to be?

But I think we already agree here, I'm just explaining my view on rules so yall won't think I'm lawless lol

Amen and well said and I couldn't agree with you any more even if I tried

 

[SirSolaScriptura]

Mark my words, if the Church stands against Women in leadership, the tide that is rising of Radical Feminism will make it an issue, and crush us. As Kennedy says, "The Force is female, the future is female." What I mean by quoting that is in media and in the workforce, women are becoming the majority, and if the Church remains looking zealously Patriarchal, it is going to incur great ire. Especially when the objection to women in leadership is one Bible verse, when Paul says the other Bible verse, "there is no longer male or female.. all are one in Christ." (Galatians 3:28).

I am not saying we bend to the culture, I mean in England they have gone too far, with new Bibles that say "The Mother, The Daughter, and Holy Spirit." That is blasphemous! Its just why be against Women in leadership if there is only one bible verse admonishing they be silent? On this I agree with the Baptists, two verses must say it to be doctrine, and as I showed, there is a verse that contradicts "women be silent" by saying, "there is no longer male or female all are one in Christ." (Galatians 3:28).

 

[lrs68]

Mark my words, if the Church stands against Women in leadership, the tide that is rising of Radical Feminism will make it an issue, and crush us. As Kennedy says, "The Force is female, the future is female." What I mean by quoting that is in media and in the workforce, women are becoming the majority, and if the Church remains looking zealously Patriarchal, it is going to incur great ire. Especially when the objection to women in leadership is one Bible verse, when Paul says the other Bible verse, "there is no longer male or female.. all are one in Christ." (Galatians 3:28).

I am not saying we bend to the culture, I mean in England they have gone too far, with new Bibles that say "The Mother, The Daughter, and Holy Spirit." That is blasphemous! Its just why be against Women in leadership if there is only one bible verse admonishing they be silent? On this I agree with the Baptists, two verses must say it to be doctrine, and as I showed, there is a verse that contradicts "women be silent" by saying, "there is no longer male or female all are one in Christ." (Galatians 3:28).

You have offered many things to think about because several Scriptures concerning the last days and end times make references to the last generation being one that men will be more like women and women like men and this is prevalent just about anywhere we go to now.

I believe Family discussions should be private but I have been out trying to enjoy a meal at a decent place of business only to hear the woman berating the man as if the roles of their home was reversed. I mean I am not trying to say that either the man or woman should be berating the other but it did reveal who was the head and leader of that particular household.

But that's merely only one example I or many of us could probably think about when we think about roles being reversed. At least the roles being opposite of how God defined them. But we are living in extremely strange times these days. No doubt about it.

 

[Magenta]

Mary allowed The First Fruits of the Resurrection, The Alpha and Omega to take flesh in her.

Mary was told it was going to happen as if it was a done deal already. Some
people object rigorously to this, but that is what is imparted to us in Scripture.

You know, I was just thinking about this last night, for some say Jesus was planted in Mary's womb as if her ovum was
not involved at all, and yet she is told she is going to conceive, which definitely implies the use of the female seed.

 

[lrs68]

Joel 2:28, Acts 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy. God intends to use males and females to spread his word. When Paul said that women should remain quiet in church, it means when God's word is being taught, they shouldn't talk or gossip. You know what? Neither should men!

Amen!

 

[SirSolaScriptura]

Mary was told it was going to happen as if it was a done deal already. Some
people object rigorously to this, but that is what is imparted to us in Scripture.

You know, I was just thinking about this last night, for some say Jesus was planted in Mary's womb as if her ovum was
not involved at all, and yet she is told she is going to conceive, which definitely implies the use of the female seed.

Actually she consents,
"And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word (May it happen to me according to your word). And the angel departed from her." (Luke 1:38).

She agrees to this arrangement.

 

[Magenta]

Actually she consents,
"And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word (May it happen to me according to your word). And the angel departed from her." (Luke 1:38).

She agrees to this arrangement.

She was not asked, is the point.

 

[SirSolaScriptura]

You have offered many things to think about because several Scriptures concerning the last days and end times make references to the last generation being one that men will be more like women and women like men and this is prevalent just about anywhere we go to now.

I believe Family discussions should be private but I have been out trying to enjoy a meal at a decent place of business only to hear the woman berating the man as if the roles of their home was reversed. I mean I am not trying to say that either the man or woman should be berating the other but it did reveal who was the head and leader of that particular household.

But that's merely only one example I or many of us could probably think about when we think about roles being reversed. At least the roles being opposite of how God defined them. But we are living in extremely strange times these days. No doubt about it.

It is my theory, that this Hyper Radical Feminist Movement is Babylon The Harlot of Revelation 17 and 18 Chapters, who rides on the Seven Headed Dragon (Satan, so by his authority).

It makes perfect sense, have Babylon the Harlot and Radical Feminism happen, it go so awry that then people are chiming for a Man again, and it ends up the Man of Sin, The Antichrist.

 

[SirSolaScriptura]

She was not asked.

But that statement she agreed to it, saying "let it be done unto me as Lord wills," in so many words. She could have said no to the Angel, my point is Mary had free will, God did not control her to this Great Destiny. Of course it was 99.9% likely she would say yes, because of who she is, but still I believe she had to agree to it, which she did in that verse.

 

[Magenta]

But that statement she agreed to it, saying "let it be done unto me as Lord wills," in so many words. She could have said no to the Angel, my point is Mary had free will, God did not control her to this Great Destiny. Of course it was 99.9% likely she would say yes, because of who she is, but still I believe she had to agree to it, which she did in that verse.

She was not asked. Any straight up reading of Scripture will inform you of this fact.

 

[SirSolaScriptura]

She was not asked. Any straight up reading of Scripture will inform you of this fact.

Well I gotta agree to disagree. Eve had a choice in the Garden, and I believe Mary had a choice, and was Predestined, the two can go hand and hand, because God knows what we will already decide.

 

[Magenta]

Well I gotta agree to disagree. Eve had a choice in the Garden, and I believe Mary had a choice, and was Predestined, the two can go hand and hand, because God knows what we will already decide.

You disagree with Scripture. There is no question put to Mary of will you? She is told what is going to happen.

But Catholics love to fuzzy it up and elevate Mary. It's disturbing the degree to which they do it.

 

[SirSolaScriptura]

You disagree with Scripture. There is no question put to Mary of will you? She is told what is going to happen.

There isn't a direct question of will you, but the angel lingers there at the end, and she says, "let it be done unto me according to your word," which means she agrees to what Has been prophecized over her. Then the angel leaves. The angel lingered for a reason.

 

[Magenta]

There isn't a direct question of will you

There was no indirect question either. She was told. Your inability to admit this is disturbing.

 

[SirSolaScriptura]

There was no indirect question either. She was told. Your inability to admit this is disturbing.

But think about your point, it makes God seem like a controller who forced a Jewish Girl to be the foretold Mother of the Christ?
And as I keep sharing that last part of the verse, "Let it be done unto me according to your Word," is a form of consent, it is saying, I give myself to this and agree with this Word. Of course God knew Mary would, He knows all things, but still Mary said Yes. To me that makes her a heroine, she wanted to be part of the most important thing in human history.

 

[SirSolaScriptura]

@Magenta do a google search, the verse I am quoting is widely seen as Mary giving consent:
"Yes, Mary consented to being the Mother of God. The biblical account in Luke 1:26-38 describes the Annunciation, where the angel Gabriel tells Mary that she will conceive and bear a son, Jesus, who will be the Messiah. Mary's response, "Behold, I am the Lord's servant; may it be to me as you have said," is understood as her full and free consent to God's plan." (Did Mary Give Consent, Google AI Answers)

"Luke shows his fidelity to his source. The first part of the Annunciation pericope reveals to Mary that God has chosen her, and asks her consent, to become the Mother of the Messiah, the promised Savior and King of Israel. II. MARY CONSENTS TO BECOME THE MOTHER OF GOD." (https://ecommons.udayton.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2512&context=marian_studies)

 

[kqr_anointed]

it rocks

 

[Magenta]

@Magenta do a google search, the verse I am quoting is widely seen as Mary giving consent:
"Yes, Mary consented to being the Mother of God. The biblical account in Luke 1:26-38 describes the Annunciation, where the angel Gabriel tells Mary that she will conceive and bear a son, Jesus, who will be the Messiah. Mary's response, "Behold, I am the Lord's servant; may it be to me as you have said," is understood as her full and free consent to God's plan." (Did Mary Give Consent, Google AI Answers)

"Luke shows his fidelity to his source. The first part of the Annunciation pericope reveals to Mary that God has chosen her, and asks her consent, to become the Mother of the Messiah, the promised Savior and King of Israel. II. MARY CONSENTS TO BECOME THE MOTHER OF GOD." (https://ecommons.udayton.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2512&context=marian_studies)

Key words: Gabriel tells Mary that she will conceive and bear a son, Jesus. There is no question asked.

 

[Aaron56]

@Magenta do a google search, the verse I am quoting is widely seen as Mary giving consent:
"Yes, Mary consented to being the Mother of God. The biblical account in Luke 1:26-38 describes the Annunciation, where the angel Gabriel tells Mary that she will conceive and bear a son, Jesus, who will be the Messiah. Mary's response, "Behold, I am the Lord's servant; may it be to me as you have said," is understood as her full and free consent to God's plan." (Did Mary Give Consent, Google AI Answers)

"Luke shows his fidelity to his source. The first part of the Annunciation pericope reveals to Mary that God has chosen her, and asks her consent, to become the Mother of the Messiah, the promised Savior and King of Israel. II. MARY CONSENTS TO BECOME THE MOTHER OF GOD." (https://ecommons.udayton.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2512&context=marian_studies)

Our calling is irrevocable. It is determined by the Lord. Had Mary not consented she would have become inconsequential and another would have taken her place.

And Mary is not the mother of God. That’s Roman idolatry. She was the vessel through whom Jesus would come into the earth. Jesus was God in the Spirit, not the flesh.

“The first man Adam became a living being.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.

Melchizedek is a precursor of this grace:

“For this Melchizedek… without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like the Son of God, remains a priest continually.”

Jesus was clear:
46 While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him.47 Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.”
48 He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” 49 Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. 50 For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”