Understanding God’s election
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Nonsense! All passages must be understood in terms of who the original audience was! Peter did not address either his first or second letters to the world. He addressed both of them to God's elect, which in this case were primarily messianic (believing] Jews. The "elect" does not refer to the ungodly world.
You forgot to mention "specific people"! How convenient. If Peter had been writing to the entire world, why didn't he address his epistle to the world instead of to the "elect"? Or do you think the entire world is God's elect, in which case all men w/o exception are saved?
Once you ignore context in the bible, you can make scripture say anything you want. To borrow your own words, "It's not a difficult concept to understand and I am positive that you are well aware of that fact as well." Or am I being overly optimistic by giving you credit for that common sense rule?
Once you ignore context in the bible, you can make scripture say anything you want. To borrow your own words, "It's not a difficult concept to understand and I am positive that you are well aware of that fact as well." Or am I being overly optimistic by giving you credit for that common sense rule?
I am not ignoring anything because I will agree that Peter is speaking to a specific audience about God not slacking but he is quoting what can also be found in Exodus, Ezekiel, and Timothy so he isn't able to take that out of the original context. If he did he would be trying to change the original meaning and we know since the Holy Spirit of God is the Author of the Bible that God isn't going to contradict Himself ever.
Because Christians are NOT of this world, anymore than Jesus is (Jn 8:23; 17:16)! Don't you know that friendship (or association) with the world is hatred toward God (Jas 4:4)? In truth, the bible is truly God's love letter to his elect! Only his chosen people love and revere God's word and desire to grow in its knowledge.
If Peter had been writing to the entire world, why didn't he address his epistle to the world instead of to the "elect"? Or do you think the entire world is God's elect,
In that Peter verse the word elect is not used either. So our disagreement is you think the "you" in Peter means the elect and I think the "you" means anyone who reads the Bible. Is that a correct understanding of what is going on here
In that Peter verse the word elect is not used either. So our disagreement is you think the "you" in Peter means the elect and I think the "you" means anyone who reads the Bible. Is that a correct understanding of what is going on here
I know that once you are truly saved you are called the elect I get the idea. I'm saying the you is directed at anyone who reads it. If some random guy walks into a second hand store picks up a Bible and decides to read though it and give it a shot. Then the you is directed at him just as much as it is me. For the on the fence half believer it is hey this could be you for me it means this is you.
Prove that Peter is quoting from books! Since you're waxing as a bible scholar and make the claim, you surely must have those passages at your finger tips. Also, even if he did quote from other books, we must understand PETER'S book or epistle on HIS terms, since he's the writer, so whatever he wrote must be understood in the context of the epistle itself. Therefore, "you" is referring to his original audience -- AND since his original audience were believers, then all of what Peter wrote extends to all other believers.
Nope. Because then you're ignoring CONTEXT. You can make all the personal pronouns in scripture to be anyone you want in any given book in the bible.
Good grief! It's no wonder at all that the Church here in the West is heading off a cliff! Many of you have no clue whatsoever on how to correctly interpret scripture. And the sad part is: Guys like you don't want to know! By ignoring context, you can make the Word of God easily fit into your humanistic theology. You can make it say anything you want!
Good grief! It's no wonder at all that the Church here in the West is heading off a cliff! Many of you have no clue whatsoever on how to correctly interpret scripture. And the sad part is: Guys like you don't want to know! By ignoring context, you can make the Word of God easily fit into your humanistic theology. You can make it say anything you want!
No, only those chosen by God unto salvation.
[2Th 2:13 KJV]
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
The term "us-ward" (v9) is defined by the word "beloved"; v8, the word "beloved", are those addressed in salutation of the book.
[1Pe 1:1-2 KJV]
1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
[2Pe 3:8-9 KJV]
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day [is] with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
[1Jo 3:1-2 KJV]
1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
[Col 3:12 KJV]
12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;
[2Th 2:13 KJV]
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
The term "us-ward" (v9) is defined by the word "beloved"; v8, the word "beloved", are those addressed in salutation of the book.
[1Pe 1:1-2 KJV]
1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
[2Pe 3:8-9 KJV]
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day [is] with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
[1Jo 3:1-2 KJV]
1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
[Col 3:12 KJV]
12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;
The jews thought they were so special because of the law. Heck they even thought Peter stood at the gates of hades to prevent any jew from entering. I see the same parelles here. Christians call themselves the elect which they are and then consider themselves so special. Jesus only died for us. Not you not anyone but us. That line of thinking is the same stumbling block the jews stumbled at. Let no man think more of himself than what he's is. God's words are directed at anyone who picks up the Bible and wants to take that journey as much as they are for the people on that journey.
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At the beginning of one (or more) of the gospel/s, Andrew and John leave John the Baptist to
follow Jesus. No doubt they believed it was their choice to do so, but what does Jesus say?
John 15 verse 16 plus from 1 Peter 2 verse 9 ~ You did not choose Me, but I chose you. And I appointed you to go and bear fruit— fruit that will remain— so that whatever you ask the Father in My name, He will give you. You are a chosen people. a royal priesthood, a people to proclaim the virtues of Him Who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light.
follow Jesus. No doubt they believed it was their choice to do so, but what does Jesus say?
John 15 verse 16 plus from 1 Peter 2 verse 9 ~ You did not choose Me, but I chose you. And I appointed you to go and bear fruit— fruit that will remain— so that whatever you ask the Father in My name, He will give you. You are a chosen people. a royal priesthood, a people to proclaim the virtues of Him Who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light.