Show me the Father

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Omegatime

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John 14:8 Philip said to him, “Lord, show us the Father, and we shall be satisfied.”

9 Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you do not know me, Philip?

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John 14:8 Philip said to him, “Lord, show us the Father, and we shall be satisfied.”

9 Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you do not know me, Philip?

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The Father, by whom Jesus may mean either the Triune God or one particular Member of the Triune God, is invisible Spirit. But like the wind, which we cannot see but we can see its effects, the invisible Father was working in communion with Jesus to express the character of God, and the effects of that communion was visible and audible and tangible in the words and deeds of Jesus.

So, Philip's experience of Jesus was also an experience of the Father at work in the world. To experience Jesus was to experience a relationship with the Father expressing Himself through Jesus.
 

Mem

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My thoughts:
While the father might not be definitive evidence of a son, the son is definitive evidence of a father.
 
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John 14:8 Philip said to him, “Lord, show us the Father, and we shall be satisfied.”

9 Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you do not know me, Philip?

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As the Bible declares Jesus and the Father are One with the Holy Spirit..

(1 John 5:7) "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."
 
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John 1 verses 1 + 14a~ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us.
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The Father, by whom Jesus may mean either the Triune God or one particular Member of the Triune God, is invisible Spirit. But like the wind, which we cannot see but we can see its effects, the invisible Father was working in communion with Jesus to express the character of God, and the effects of that communion was visible and audible and tangible in the words and deeds of Jesus.

So, Philip's experience of Jesus was also an experience of the Father at work in the world. To experience Jesus was to experience a relationship with the Father expressing Himself through Jesus.
Thank you, I like what you posted, I see that too
 
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My thoughts:
While the father might not be definitive evidence of a son, the son is definitive evidence of a father.
the two are won as like in a physical marriage, the two become One amazing mystery now revealed in risen Son to us that will not stop belief to see
 

lrs68

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John 14:8 Philip said to him, “Lord, show us the Father, and we shall be satisfied.”

9 Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you do not know me, Philip?

Your comments
Paul really sums this up in the Letter to the Colossians by basically saying if the Invisible God stood in front of a mirror you would see Jesus and if Jesus stood in front of a mirror you would see the Invisible God. He also called it the [same essence and express image\likeness] in the Letter to the Hebrews.

But I try to put myself in Philips sandals here when he asks Jesus this question and gets the reply back that I have quoted. I go to the Book of Acts and see how they "Water Baptized" in the NAME of Jesus. It makes me believe some interesting things. Things I am still working out via the Holy Spirit of God.
 

Mem

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the two are won as like in a physical marriage, the two become One amazing mystery now revealed in risen Son to us that will not stop belief to see
And a three-strand chord is not easily broken.
As the Bible declares Jesus and the Father are One with the Holy Spirit..

(1 John 5:7) "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."
 
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John 1 verses 1 + 14a~ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us.
:)
And now today, we now no more know him in the flesh
2 Corinthians 5:16
Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
 
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And a three-strand chord is not easily broken.
Can an egg be an egg if the shell not there or the Yoke or even the white
The three make one egg

Authorized (King James) Version
John 3:12


12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you ofheavenly things?

Authorized (King James) Version
1John 2:27


27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

John 3:27

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27 John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.
 

MrE

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The Father, by whom Jesus may mean either the Triune God or one particular Member of the Triune God, is invisible Spirit. But like the wind, which we cannot see but we can see its effects, the invisible Father was working in communion with Jesus to express the character of God, and the effects of that communion was visible and audible and tangible in the words and deeds of Jesus.

So, Philip's experience of Jesus was also an experience of the Father at work in the world. To experience Jesus was to experience a relationship with the Father expressing Himself through Jesus.
Jesus explains at great length what he means, as recorded later in that same book of John. It's not confusing or at all unclear. He says>>

Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father is in me...

What he didn't say>>

I am the Father.
The Father is me.
We are the same.
 

lrs68

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What he didn't say>>

I am the Father.
The Father is me.
We are the same.

The interesting part because as a Jew learning from both the Church and Synagogue is that in the Talmud and other ancient Jewish Chronicles there are excerpts listed that from the Jewish perspective when Jesus said He and the Father are ONE they believe Jesus was claiming that He was the Invisible God as a portion in human flesh.

They teach that trying to prove that Jesus was guilty of Sedition which the penalty was a Death Sentence.

Traditions traditions they are something to learn because it explains why the Jews wanted Jesus dead aside from us knowing it was God's Plan from before the foundation of the earth.
 

Mem

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Can an egg be an egg if the shell not there or the Yoke or even the white
The three make one egg

Authorized (King James) Version
John 3:12


12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you ofheavenly things?

Authorized (King James) Version
1John 2:27


27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

John 3:27

Authorized (King James) Version

27 John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.
Which came first? The chicken or the egg? I can make meringues with the whites, curd with the yoke, and nourish orchids with the shells.
 

MrE

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The interesting part because as a Jew learning from both the Church and Synagogue is that in the Talmud and other ancient Jewish Chronicles there are excerpts listed that from the Jewish perspective when Jesus said He and the Father are ONE they believe Jesus was claiming that He was the Invisible God as a portion in human flesh.

They teach that trying to prove that Jesus was guilty of Sedition which the penalty was a Death Sentence.

Traditions traditions they are something to learn because it explains why the Jews wanted Jesus dead aside from us knowing it was God's Plan from before the foundation of the earth.
He explained that too. It would have been a very serious charge, to claim to be a king, while Jerusalem had no king and while it was under Roman rule. When questioned about this under Pilate, no basis for the accusation was found.

To the Roman rulers he said>>

“My kingdom is not from this world. If my kingdom were from this world, my servants would be fighting to keep me from being handed over to the Jewish authorities. But as it is, my kingdom is not from here.” Then Pilate said, “So you are a king!” Jesus replied, “You say that I am a king. For this reason I was born, and for this reason I came into the world—to testify to the truth. Everyone who belongs to the truth listens to my voice.” Pilate asked, “What is truth?”
When he had said this he went back outside to the Jewish leaders and announced, “I find no basis for an accusation against him.


But when questioned by the Jewish rulers the reaction was different, and his response was quite different>>

"The Father and I are one.”
The Jewish leaders picked up rocks again to stone him to death. Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good deeds from the Father. For which one of them are you going to stone me?” The Jewish leaders replied, “We are not going to stone you for a good dee but for blasphemy because you, a man, are claiming to be God.”


Jesus answered, “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, you are gods’? If those people to whom the word of God came were called ‘gods’ (and the scripture cannot be broken), do you say about the one whom the Father set apart and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’? If I do not perform the deeds of my Father, do not believe me. But if I do them, even if you do not believe me, believe the deeds, so that you may come to know and understand that I am in the Father and the Father is in me.”
 
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Paul really sums this up in the Letter to the Colossians by basically saying if the Invisible God stood in front of a mirror you would see Jesus and if Jesus stood in front of a mirror you would see the Invisible God. He also called it the [same essence and express image\likeness] in the Letter to the Hebrews.

But I try to put myself in Philips sandals here when he asks Jesus this question and gets the reply back that I have quoted. I go to the Book of Acts and see how they "Water Baptized" in the NAME of Jesus. It makes me believe some interesting things. Things I am still working out via the Holy Spirit of God.
I see that too, thank you. God somehow, someway comes through and we get to see in truth, eventually in Daddy's timing
I remember years ago now, when read Hebrews 5:12 forward onto Chapter 6, I asked god to reveal truth to me in this to grow up into maturity too
It has taken years to see ne wand then more and more as I continue to go forward, not ever giving up to be revealed truth as Father decides not me or anyone else thank you
Amazing and not easy to be patient
Me remembering the best thing I got from service, military
"Hurry up and wait"
Still learning there patience, to be a a Patient, just patient thank for your edifying post to me
 

Mem

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He explained that too. It would have been a very serious charge, to claim to be a king, while Jerusalem had no king and while it was under Roman rule. When questioned about this under Pilate, no basis for the accusation was found.

To the Roman rulers he said>>

“My kingdom is not from this world. If my kingdom were from this world, my servants would be fighting to keep me from being handed over to the Jewish authorities. But as it is, my kingdom is not from here.” Then Pilate said, “So you are a king!” Jesus replied, “You say that I am a king. For this reason I was born, and for this reason I came into the world—to testify to the truth. Everyone who belongs to the truth listens to my voice.” Pilate asked, “What is truth?”
When he had said this he went back outside to the Jewish leaders and announced, “I find no basis for an accusation against him.


But when questioned by the Jewish rulers the reaction was different, and his response was quite different>>

"The Father and I are one.”
The Jewish leaders picked up rocks again to stone him to death. Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good deeds from the Father. For which one of them are you going to stone me?” The Jewish leaders replied, “We are not going to stone you for a good dee but for blasphemy because you, a man, are claiming to be God.”


Jesus answered, “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, you are gods’? If those people to whom the word of God came were called ‘gods’ (and the scripture cannot be broken), do you say about the one whom the Father set apart and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’? If I do not perform the deeds of my Father, do not believe me. But if I do them, even if you do not believe me, believe the deeds, so that you may come to know and understand that I am in the Father and the Father is in me.”
Would you consider this to be an accurate summarization of the reality, "If you receive the Son as God, then, indeed, you receive the Father as God"?
 
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And now today, we now no more know him in the flesh
2 Corinthians 5:16
Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
Cool, as why now John 4:23-24 makes perfect sense to me, dead to the flesh, alive in the Spirit and truth of Daddy, Father, PaPa