Prophesied by Joel...

[ocean]

I ignore not the scripture, but false teachings.
You interprete the scripture according your view. Well you can do it. But it is no guarant for the truth.

There is no interpretation regarding the scripture on tongues. That is simply a ridiculous arguement from someone who seems to live to argue against plain biblical truth.

Your view seems to be to ignore anything about tongues because you do not have that gift. With that reasoning, when someone states they do not believe in God they must also be correct because that is their interpretation.

 

[ocean]

According what you state, the Holy Spirit takes residence only in believers which are speaking in tongues! That means all who dont speak in tongues have ergo not the Holy Spirit. No Holy Spirit means not be saved.
Right?
And the first person, after the biblical time then is Agnes Ozman? If we let beside the cults during the churchhistory. That means only Pentecostal and Charismatic believers have the Holy Spirit.
You are shure?

That is just your ignorance of scripture showing.

in whom you also, having heard the word of truth, the gospel your of salvation, in whom also having believed you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, Eph. 1:13

When we accept Christ we are sealed by the Holy Spirit. Don't keep repeating that if you don't speak in tongues you are not saved because that, is NOT in the Bible.

 

[Wansvic]

Only he did say that.

Now I desire you all to speak in tongues, but rather that you should prophesy. Now the one prophesying is greater than the one speaking in tongues, unless he should interpret, so that the church might receive edification. I Cor.14:5

and he also said what you note about from I Cor. 14:18

Saying he would prefer prophecy does not detract from what he said about tongues. As it is, when tongues are translated, he equals them to prophecy, which is what the 'unless' is there for.

Paul stated he spoke in tongues MORE than others. This in no know indicates the other's did not speak in tongues.

 

[wolfwint]

what is false about:

• Acts 1:8?
• Luke 24:49
• John 1:33

My post was an answer to @Wansvic

 

[wolfwint]

I never said all have the gift of Tongues But all can desire them and are instructed to do so in 1 Corinthians chapters 12 and 14, Paul even said in chapter `14, verse 39-40

39 Therefore, brethren, desire earnestly to prophesy, and do not forbid to speak with tongues.

40 Let all things be done decently and in order.


I am not telling you anything. You ignore scripture all the time. As you refuse to see the full context of 1cor, chapters 12 through 14, as you were shown, are unit chapters. The context is not with only one verse that you cherry-picked.


Read again :

"Darum, meine Brüder, trachtet danach, dass ihr Propheten seid, und verwehrt nicht das Sprechen in Zungen. Alles geschieht zum Aufbau der Gemeinde."

Again, my post was an answer to @Wansvic

 

[Wansvic]

Only he did say that.

Now I desire you all to speak in tongues, but rather that you should prophesy. Now the one prophesying is greater than the one speaking in tongues, unless he should interpret, so that the church might receive edification. I Cor.14:5

and he also said what you note about from I Cor. 14:18

Saying he would prefer prophecy does not detract from what he said about tongues. As it is, when tongues are translated, he equals them to prophecy, which is what the 'unless' is there for.

Paul indicates his desire that all speak in tongues but explained doing so does not edify those in church unless the gift of interpretation is in operation.

 

[wolfwint]

Well you say you don't ignore scripture but you very seriously do ignore scripture. How can there be some hidden interpretation to Paul saying I wish you all spoke in tongues? Now he does not say you all should or need to speak in tongues, but if there is any other understanding to what he does say, then it must be at the mercy of the imagination of the one deliberately avoiding the truth

So its looking like you have the corner on false teachings since the Bible plainly states tongues are for far more than usage in the church. Or haven't you read all the Bible says about tongues or all the other spiritual gifts?

You cannot continue to say others teach falsely when you do that as your constant in every thread that mentions tongues

My post was an answer to @Wansvic

 

[wolfwint]

What?

This was an answer to post 94 from @ edify

 

[wolfwint]

That is just your ignorance of scripture showing.

in whom you also, having heard the word of truth, the gospel your of salvation, in whom also having believed you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, Eph. 1:13

When we accept Christ we are sealed by the Holy Spirit. Don't keep repeating that if you don't speak in tongues you are not saved because that, is NOT in the Bible.

Again, this was an answer to @wanswick. Dont lay words in my post which I not have said.
Btw, I agree I dont need to speak in tongues for to be saved ! You should ask @Wansvic
what he means about it.

 

[ocean]

Paul stated he spoke in tongues MORE than others. This in no know indicates the other's did not speak in tongues.

when you are wrong but have to be right because...well....it's your entire psyche at stake

try reading with the intent to comprehend rather than the desire to be more right than the Bible

Wansvic said:


Paul did not say I wish all of you could speak in tongues. What he said was, "I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:" 1 Cor. 14:18

Only he did say that.

Now I desire you all to speak in tongues, but rather that you should prophesy. Now the one prophesying is greater than the one speaking in tongues, unless he should interpret, so that the church might receive edification. I Cor.14:5

and he also said what you note about from I Cor. 14:18

Saying he would prefer prophecy does not detract from what he said about tongues. As it is, when tongues are translated, he equals them to prophecy, which is what the 'unless' is there for.

I DID NOT SAY ANYONE WAS SPEAKING IN TONGUES. whatever smh What does I DESIRE YOU ALL TO SPEAK IN TONGUES MEAN IF NOT I WISH YOU WOULD ALL SPEAK IN TONGUES?

I suppose you think if you don't speak in tongues you are not saved? Or do you have a preference for a certain way to speak in tongues or timing or personal preference not found in scripture.

I know I sound angry here, but people adding to and or denying what is plainly written seems to be somewhat of a hobby in this forum

can't wait for your correction

 

[ocean]

Again, this was an answer to @wanswick. Dont lay words in my post which I not have said.
Btw, I agree I dont need to speak in tongues for to be saved ! You should ask @Wansvic
what he means about it.

Public forum. You take a chance when posting that some one other than the person you are arguing with might answer. You have said just about everything anyone could say regarding how much you hate the idea of speaking in tongues. You don't do that, so, according to you, no one else should either. LOL!

Tough. Get over it.

 

[ocean]

Paul indicates his desire that all speak in tongues but explained doing so does not edify those in church unless the gift of interpretation is in operation.

I am reminded of a 'roundabout'. You can get off or just keep going around with no idea how to exit.

I posted the scripture from the Bible, but the way you say it is somehow better? The problem is that the scripture you denied is not about interpretation.

Blade said:


Hmm some of this is like your standing in a Library and someone walks up to you and asks "do you know where I can find a book about...." Its amazing what I just found.. but praise GOD.

So this bible we read for you is it God (sweet holy Spirit) talking or that comes and goes? When we read about speaking in tongues is it just Paul talking or the holy spirit? Its written I wish that all of you could speak in tongues".

You denied that Paul said that, but he did say it.

Paul stated he spoke in tongues MORE than others. This in no know indicates the other's did not speak in tongues.

Saying you wish everyone could speak in tongues is saying you wish everyone could speak in tongues.

But stick to your script. I mean don't change your mind just because Paul actually does say he wishes all would pray in tongues. He must have been wrong about that.

 

[ocean]

This was an answer to post 94 from @ edify

I was referring to your post. I don't think it came across very clear.

 

[ocean]

My post was an answer to @Wansvic

If you want to control a conversation in a public forum, then pm the person. Otherwise anyone can answer or respond to any post you make.

 

[ocean]

Yes, and all the frim you mentioned passages in Acts 2 10 and 19, and I would add Acts 8 too, you can simply understand as an sign for the jews

That is a false teaching.

 

[CS1]

Again, my post was an answer to @Wansvic

well, you can answer mine if you're able.

 

[CS1]

Again, this was an answer to @wanswick. Dont lay words in my post which I not have said.
Btw, I agree I dont need to speak in tongues for to be saved ! You should ask @Wansvic
what he means about it.

we never said you did another False Narrative you continue to make.

 

[wolfwint]

That is a false teaching.

Why? Because it fits not in your believe system?

 

[CS1]

That is a false teaching.

He has no Biblical context. He only quotes Joel and refuses to see Peter, who brings more context to the Prophecy Joel gave. He's a troll and hates Pentecostals. He thinks we all support buffoons that abuse the gifts. Even if we have openly spoken against such foolishness.

 

[wolfwint]

well, you can answer mine if you're able.

Later, I will try. But I suppose I cant. We have a different understanding from the scripture.
One point I want add. Paul is very clear in what he states about woman pastorship . But you find woman pastorship in almost all pentecostal churches. Womanleadership you find also in many charismatic groups. How can this be? Ignores the Holy Spirit the word of God regarding this? Ore ignore spiritfilled believers the word of God. Both is not possible for me to believe? The Holy Spirit teaches only the truth.