Applying God's Word to Politics

[Pilgrimshope]

Do you want to participate in systematic Bible study of Ephesians on that thread or of election on the Hermeneutics thread?

I’m really unorganized and kind of scattered at this point lol I’d probably end up explaining romans.

inhave two neices extremely angry towards God. Thier dad was just diagnosed with stage four terminal adenocarcinoma at 59 Both blame God they also lost thier mither very young to cancer years ago . It’s hard to see them hurting so much and directing it towards God . I was just searching for some thoughts or ideas of what to possibly say

 

[GWH]

I’m really unorganized and kind of scattered at this point lol I’d probably end up explaining romans.

inhave two neices extremely angry towards God. Thier dad was just diagnosed with stage four terminal adenocarcinoma at 59 Both blame God they also lost thier mither very young to cancer years ago . It’s hard to see them hurting so much and directing it towards God . I was just searching for some thoughts or ideas of what to possibly say

I am sorry to hear that your nieces are experiencing reasons we need salvation. We should remember that our heavenly Father also grieved over the crucifixion of His son. Here are some thoughts about suffering from our website:

An obvious truism that needs to be mentioned is that the happy ending has not happened yet! In between conversion and heaven, God allows our journey to go through various places we would rather not visit: the ghost town of job loss, the quarantined ghetto of disease, the burning village of divided families. History can be viewed as a long “King of the Hill” struggle (KOTH).

But let us take heart from the words of Paul (in Phil. 4:12-13: “I have learned the secret of being content in any and every situation… I can do everything through him who gives me strength.” I think Paul’s secret is to treat every negative experience as an opportunity for learning some truth that will help us to become stronger persons and better witnesses for Christ. Financial problems teach us to value spiritual riches and to rely on God (1Tim. 5:6-10), physical ailments teach us to appreciate a healthy immortal life in heaven (2Cor. 12:7-10), and unhappy relationships motivate us to resist the devil, even though we feel as if God has forsaken us (Jam. 4:7-10, Matt. 27:46).

The paradoxical truth is that Believers experience joy despite KOTH or suffering (1Pet. 4:13). While not desiring to suffer or praying for problems, mature Christians have a Christ-like attitude so that tribulations only make them merely joyful rather than overjoyed! Christians are joyous because they realize that suffering is only for a season and for good reason:

1. Pain and sickness due to mortality teach us to center our lives on God and the hope of immortality,

2. Pain resulting from sinful behavior leads the wise to conform to the character of Christ (Heb. 12:4-11, Rom. 8:29),

3. Relying on God’s grace and truth in the midst of undeserved troubles glorifies Christ (2Cor. 4:7-11) and shows the value of LGW,

4. Troubles serve to keep mature saints humble (2Cor. 12:7-12), and

5. God’s Holy Spirit comforts those who suffer and thereby demonstrates His love (Matt. 5:4, 2Cor. 1:3-4).

As Paul wrote (in RM 5:3-4), “We also rejoice in our sufferings (KOTH), because we know that suffering produces perseverance; perseverance, character; and character, hope.” Our hope is that we gain heaven (PHP 1:21), which is worth any grief occasioned by Faith (1Pet. 1:6-9, 2Cor. 4:16-18, Heb. 12:2). Yes, this life is not heaven yet, although our continual prayer is for God’s will to be done on earth in our lives, but I encourage you to keep on believing God and resisting evil (JM 4:7) until God’s kingdom comes. Do not be discouraged, but rather relax and rest in God’s love as you remember what is really important in life. Have joy despite adversity because of hope!

LIC, GWH

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I am sorry to hear that your nieces are experiencing reasons we need salvation. We should remember that our heavenly Father also grieved over the crucifixion of His son. Here are some thoughts about suffering from our website:

An obvious truism that needs to be mentioned is that the happy ending has not happened yet! In between conversion and heaven, God allows our journey to go through various places we would rather not visit: the ghost town of job loss, the quarantined ghetto of disease, the burning village of divided families. History can be viewed as a long “King of the Hill” struggle (KOTH).

But let us take heart from the words of Paul (in Phil. 4:12-13: “I have learned the secret of being content in any and every situation… I can do everything through him who gives me strength.” I think Paul’s secret is to treat every negative experience as an opportunity for learning some truth that will help us to become stronger persons and better witnesses for Christ. Financial problems teach us to value spiritual riches and to rely on God (1Tim. 5:6-10), physical ailments teach us to appreciate a healthy immortal life in heaven (2Cor. 12:7-10), and unhappy relationships motivate us to resist the devil, even though we feel as if God has forsaken us (Jam. 4:7-10, Matt. 27:46).

The paradoxical truth is that Believers experience joy despite KOTH or suffering (1Pet. 4:13). While not desiring to suffer or praying for problems, mature Christians have a Christ-like attitude so that tribulations only make them merely joyful rather than overjoyed! Christians are joyous because they realize that suffering is only for a season and for good reason:

1. Pain and sickness due to mortality teach us to center our lives on God and the hope of immortality,

2. Pain resulting from sinful behavior leads the wise to conform to the character of Christ (Heb. 12:4-11, Rom. 8:29),

3. Relying on God’s grace and truth in the midst of undeserved troubles glorifies Christ (2Cor. 4:7-11) and shows the value of LGW,

4. Troubles serve to keep mature saints humble (2Cor. 12:7-12), and

5. God’s Holy Spirit comforts those who suffer and thereby demonstrates His love (Matt. 5:4, 2Cor. 1:3-4).

As Paul wrote (in RM 5:3-4), “We also rejoice in our sufferings (KOTH), because we know that suffering produces perseverance; perseverance, character; and character, hope.” Our hope is that we gain heaven (PHP 1:21), which is worth any grief occasioned by Faith (1Pet. 1:6-9, 2Cor. 4:16-18, Heb. 12:2). Yes, this life is not heaven yet, although our continual prayer is for God’s will to be done on earth in our lives, but I encourage you to keep on believing God and resisting evil (JM 4:7) until God’s kingdom comes. Do not be discouraged, but rather relax and rest in God’s love as you remember what is really important in life. Have joy despite adversity because of hope!

LIC, GWH

Thank you for taking the time and sharing that God bless

 

[GWH]

Thank you for taking the time and sharing that God bless

You're welcome, hope it helps your nieces to thank God that their loved ones are happy or headed toward heaven,
which is what the healing miracles of Jesus were intended to signify.

Some folks may think I am morbid, but for many years I have realized that death/suffering (KOTH) is a fact of life,
so the primary reason for faith in God/Christ is hope for eternal joy in heaven (1Cor. 15:14).

This realization serves to strengthen faith, because there is no better hope,
and so we may pray for God's will to be a peaceful passing on when disease seems deathly.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

You're welcome, hope it helps your nieces to thank God that their loved ones are happy or headed toward heaven,
which is what the healing miracles of Jesus were intended to signify.

Some folks may think I am morbid, but for many years I have realized that death/suffering (KOTH) is a fact of life,
so the primary reason for faith in God/Christ is hope for eternal joy in heaven (1Cor. 15:14).

This realization serves to strengthen faith, because there is no better hope,
and so we may pray for God's will to be a peaceful passing on when disease seems deathly.

Yes indeed always helpful things like tbat are. they’ve both been believers always a lot of tradgedy has happened and it’s really testing thier faith at the moment.

It’s appreciated for certain

 

[GWH]

Yes indeed always helpful things like tbat are. they’ve both been believers always a lot of tradgedy has happened and it’s really testing thier faith at the moment.

It’s appreciated for certain

I hope they realize that God allows suffering in order for their perseverance to witness to the world
the value of saving faith (1Thes. 1:3&7), and their earthly troubles will be far outweighed by heavenly glory (2Cor. 4:7 & 17, Rom. 8:18).

However, I am curious about the faith of their mother and father. What was/is their attitude?
Were they comforted by the Holy Spirit? It is easier to accept a loved one's death when they are looking forward to heaven.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

You're welcome, hope it helps your nieces to thank God that their loved ones are happy or headed toward heaven,
which is what the healing miracles of Jesus were intended to signify.

Some folks may think I am morbid, but for many years I have realized that death/suffering (KOTH) is a fact of life,
so the primary reason for faith in God/Christ is hope for eternal joy in heaven (1Cor. 15:14).

This realization serves to strengthen faith, because there is no better hope,
and so we may pray for God's will to be a peaceful passing on when disease seems deathly.

“Some folks may think I am morbid, but for many years I have realized that death/suffering (KOTH) is a fact of life,
so the primary reason for faith in God/Christ is hope for eternal joy in heaven (1Cor. 15:14). “

not at all brother this is my seventh decade of life and my position is exactly the quote you wrote here.

for instance my name here “pilgrims hope” “ my nephew created this page for me and explained a screen name what it meant so I thought of this scripture

“These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭11:13-14, 16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I think this world is just to find out where your going to end up with Jesus or not ultimately and that the promises in the gospel is mostly about what we’ll never see or receive in this life but about our eternal home with Jesus if we so choose to believe him. So I’m very much in agreement with you

i have seen God intervene also in this life however and know that at times he does do marvelous things still even today . And so with healings or things I need now ( in my mind ) I try to make my requests known to my Heavenly Father from my heart , and then make sure he knows that I’m leaving it all in his hands and thank him for everything of course

i believe there are still people who have the spiritual gifts

“For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; to another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; to another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: but all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭12:8-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

But maybe because we’ve seemingly lost all interest in the doctrine widely Then we aren’t really seeing many of the signs that follow those who walk in it. I’ve seen people who were told by doctors that they have little time , then live many years because of prayer. So I have no choice to believe it’s possible

but my own position regarding sharing Gods word and our biggest concern is about what this experience in this lifetime leads us to eternally

Bout every saved person ever has passed away at some point but ……brother I’ll tell you what when it’s people i love dying every time it happens it breaks a little piece of my heart and soul . Not because I’m worried about most of them regarding salvation but just because I knew when they left it was likely going to be a long time until I saw them again

As you see the generations passing finally it gets to your own and then soon to you .

“And as it is appointed unto men once to die,

but after this the judgment:”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭9:27‬ ‭KJV‬‬

On our side who still remain in this world it surely hurts and tears at our soul to see them leave . Even the lord began to weep as the people also wept in grief for Lazarus.

Death is such a hard thing and those two girls really are having a hard time rhier dad is tbier rock and thoer children rock the head of everything in thier family

Never gets easier my dear sister recently passed away , also from cancer. Now Bruce and also my sister in law just entered her home hospice care for esophageal cancer and we’re expecting it to be days or possibly weeks.

i remember about why the righteous are taken from the earth before thier time , and I rejoice for them as the lord would have me do

it’s just so hard to watch your family go away for a time but gives me a reason not to be afraid and look forward even to when it’s my turn

i dont know brother …. Sorry for rambling on here but thanks for the conversation and good word

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I hope they realize that God allows suffering in order for their perseverance to witness to the world
the value of saving faith (1Thes. 1:3&7), and their earthly troubles will be far outweighed by heavenly glory (2Cor. 4:7 & 17, Rom. 8:18).

However, I am curious about the faith of their mother and father. What was/is their attitude?
Were they comforted by the Holy Spirit? It is easier to accept a loved one's death when they are looking forward to heaven.

Thier entire family is Christian raised on the Bible kids could quote a few scriptures by the time they could talk real well you know that kind of thing

a lots of issues and struggles and everything like any family eventually has but have always kept faith . Thier mother died when thier youngest daughter ( who has no issue she believes what I do and has no anger at all just sorrow ) but she was 13 I believe and thier mother died from cancer.

And they had a couple more unexpected tragic deaths also . Tbier dad , my bro , has five daughter and a son. And his clan has really had so much hurt , they’ve never been reacting like this until the news of thier dad.

he really is the one who’s always held them together through all of those terrible things that happened . The one who supported and cried with and helped them with anything they needed.

ect you know how dads and moms are especially when one has passed away . And so I think what’s happening is they are thinking incorrectly as of God decided tbey should lose tbier mom and lose so ma y people and have so many terrible tradgedies and then lose thoer dad ect …..

So they are angry I think which , is understandable when you sort of think about it . I can’t ever remember being angry with God for any reason in my whole life but I can understand it because they think all the bad things that happen in tbe world are his Will for them.

 

[GWH]

Thier entire family is Christian raised on the Bible kids could quote a few scriptures by the time they could talk real well you know that kind of thing

a lots of issues and struggles and everything like any family eventually has but have always kept faith . Thier mother died when thier youngest daughter ( who has no issue she believes what I do and has no anger at all just sorrow ) but she was 13 I believe and thier mother died from cancer.

And they had a couple more unexpected tragic deaths also . Tbier dad , my bro , has five daughter and a son. And his clan has really had so much hurt , they’ve never been reacting like this until the news of thier dad.

he really is the one who’s always held them together through all of those terrible things that happened . The one who supported and cried with and helped them with anything they needed.

ect you know how dads and moms are especially when one has passed away . And so I think what’s happening is they are thinking incorrectly as of God decided tbey should lose tbier mom and lose so ma y people and have so many terrible tradgedies and then lose thoer dad ect …..

So they are angry I think which , is understandable when you sort of think about it . I can’t ever remember being angry with God for any reason in my whole life but I can understand it because they think all the bad things that happen in tbe world are his Will for them.

Yes, belief that God causes pain rather than allowing physical laws to operate is problematic.

Would you be able to discuss the situation with your brother so that he is aware of the need for him to communicate
with his daughters about the facts of life (suffering and death) and his joy despite suffering as he looks forward to being with their mom again in heaven?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Yes, belief that God causes pain rather than allowing physical laws to operate is problematic.

Would you be able to discuss the situation with your brother so that he is aware of the need for him to communicate
with his daughters about the facts of life (suffering and death) and his joy despite suffering as he looks forward to being with their mom again in heaven?

Yes I just visited with him Friday and Saturday and was talking to him about it. Really his only concerns at this point is his children being able to process and handle it and stick with Jesus through it as you know we must sometimes do when the hurt comes before the glory.

and so we discussed and prayed still are praying , since then I’ve been considering good words to offer the next time I speak with either of them. I really believe sincere prayer is something we need to keep fresh and consistent.

and yes exactly , it seems they’ve learned a bad impression of Gods Will and intent for them and the difference in God letting his creation operate as he has told us it operates you said tbat well I may use this part because i struggle with orginizing my thoughts these days


“Yes, belief that God causes pain rather than allowing physical laws to operate is problematic.”

i may be able to discuss this with them and refer them also to some scripture to consider along the same lines. I really believe God will heal the hurt enough so they can think more clearly , right now I might just be there for them until it comes back up again because the hurt is really at the root of the issue

 

[GWH]

Yes I just visited with him Friday and Saturday and was talking to him about it. Really his only concerns at this point is his children being able to process and handle it and stick with Jesus through it as you know we must sometimes do when the hurt comes before the glory.

and so we discussed and prayed still are praying , since then I’ve been considering good words to offer the next time I speak with either of them. I really believe sincere prayer is something we need to keep fresh and consistent.

and yes exactly , it seems they’ve learned a bad impression of Gods Will and intent for them and the difference in God letting his creation operate as he has told us it operates you said tbat well I may use this part because i struggle with orginizing my thoughts these days


“Yes, belief that God causes pain rather than allowing physical laws to operate is problematic.”

i may be able to discuss this with them and refer them also to some scripture to consider along the same lines. I really believe God will heal the hurt enough so they can think more clearly , right now I might just be there for them until it comes back up again because the hurt is really at the root of the issue

Yes, it is important for them to be in a receptive mood.
Physical laws include the genes one receives, but sometimes disease has environmental causes.
The causes of cancer are not well known, but did doctors say what caused the mom's cancer?

I lost one of my best friends prematurely several years ago because he had bone cancer,
but he had smoked a lot for many years before quitting, which may have caused it,
although you would expect it to cause lung cancer, so the doctors couldn't say for sure.

Knowing the physical cause can help a person understand that God did not directly kill someone,
but the purpose of allowing natural suffering and death is to teach humanity their need for His supernatural salvation.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Yes, it is important for them to be in a receptive mood.
Physical laws include the genes one receives, but sometimes disease has environmental causes.
The causes of cancer are not well known, but did doctors say what caused the mom's cancer?

I lost one of my best friends prematurely several years ago because he had bone cancer,
but he had smoked a lot for many years before quitting, which may have caused it,
although you would expect it to cause lung cancer, so the doctors couldn't say for sure.

Knowing the physical cause can help a person understand that God did not directly kill someone,
but the purpose of allowing natural suffering and death is to teach humanity their need for His supernatural salvation.

Indeed well said .I think our fundamental understanding of how God relates to creation is extremely important. I think thier idea about how that operates is off.

I actually know several people and have in life a few have gone now but several who look at God as if he’s making all the decisions of what we do and every random experience good and bad ect. And so if a loved one gets terrible news about cancer or some other terrible news thier lind instantly correlates it with something Gods chosen to do to them for some mysterious reason

i understand God allows things to happen within our world but honestly in the beginning he gave mankind dominion on earth

“And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:26‬ ‭

Later you notice the commandment comes as if mankind has agency in it depending on what they do in regards to his word

“And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

even here this early God had given Adam the power of life and death rether than holding it over him himself . He’s told him about life and death and notice he doesn’t force Adam to obey it he’s just informed him earned him about death and what not to do .

The point I’m trying to make is God allows lot on earth because it came from or comes from those who have dominion upon the earth, so you see the dynamic here

“And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
( clearly this wasn’t his intent in creating us and clewrly this isn’t something he has done to us but something we have done to creation and ourselves )

And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.

( again it’s clear who’s at fault )

And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:5-6, 12-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if you follow on through the Bibles ot that doesn’t change it remains this same dynamic of God observing man and watching our actions and motivations and thoughts and works from heaven as an observer who’s keeping record

“The LORD is in his holy temple, The LORD's throne is in heaven: His eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭11:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, To see if there were any that did understand, And seek God. They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: There is none that doeth good, no, not one.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭14:2-3‬ ‭

to me if we read through the ot it tells us why mankind is corrupted with disease and so many issues and that is because of sin . Not individual sin but mankind’s sin all together and the fact that God has given the earth to us to rule over from the start

i believe we corrupted ourselves and if you read all the warnings in the Bible pestemence and disease are some of Gods four sore judgements upon mankind for sin coming from his wrath ignited the in tbe early times of the ot

the New Testament begins solving the problem because man had dominion on earth and corrupted it now dominion has been given to Jesus the son of man

“The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD's: But the earth hath he given to the children of men.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭115:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus became a son of man so the word of man’s dominion on earth is fulfilled and also it bring me creation back here before he gave it to mankind

“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus then went to heaven

“So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

And so we see n Gods realm of heaven the king has arrived and kingdom has come

“And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: ( psalm 2 the son and king ) and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

,,And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them.

( here’s my probably lost point by now even though the kingdom is celebrating in heaven in earth there’s still bad things happening to gods people in earth because of curse of sin )


Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:5, 10-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We see later the saints of God being killed and slaughtered ect . Him allowing things is part of the design of mankind’s agency and even part of his plan that is good for even those passing away notice these haven’t been reconciled yet

“And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: and they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭6:9-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

God has a plan we just don’t think as big and with such a macro view of it as he does he will make all wrongs right one day but if we’re just seeing this world and what happens we may not understand because he surely does allow some terrible things to happen only …..it was never his Will for them to happen it was ours

 

[GWH]

Indeed well said .I think our fundamental understanding of how God relates to creation is extremely important. I think thier idea about how that operates is off.

I actually know several people and have in life a few have gone now but several who look at God as if he’s making all the decisions of what we do and every random experience good and bad ect. And so if a loved one gets terrible news about cancer or some other terrible news thier lind instantly correlates it with something Gods chosen to do to them for some mysterious reason

i understand God allows things to happen within our world but honestly in the beginning he gave mankind dominion on earth

“And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:26‬ ‭

Later you notice the commandment comes as if mankind has agency in it depending on what they do in regards to his word

“And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

even here this early God had given Adam the power of life and death rether than holding it over him himself . He’s told him about life and death and notice he doesn’t force Adam to obey it he’s just informed him earned him about death and what not to do .

The point I’m trying to make is God allows lot on earth because it came from or comes from those who have dominion upon the earth, so you see the dynamic here

“And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
( clearly this wasn’t his intent in creating us and clewrly this isn’t something he has done to us but something we have done to creation and ourselves )

And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.

( again it’s clear who’s at fault )

And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:5-6, 12-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if you follow on through the Bibles ot that doesn’t change it remains this same dynamic of God observing man and watching our actions and motivations and thoughts and works from heaven as an observer who’s keeping record

“The LORD is in his holy temple, The LORD's throne is in heaven: His eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭11:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, To see if there were any that did understand, And seek God. They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: There is none that doeth good, no, not one.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭14:2-3‬ ‭

to me if we read through the ot it tells us why mankind is corrupted with disease and so many issues and that is because of sin . Not individual sin but mankind’s sin all together and the fact that God has given the earth to us to rule over from the start

i believe we corrupted ourselves and if you read all the warnings in the Bible pestemence and disease are some of Gods four sore judgements upon mankind for sin coming from his wrath ignited the in tbe early times of the ot

the New Testament begins solving the problem because man had dominion on earth and corrupted it now dominion has been given to Jesus the son of man

“The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD's: But the earth hath he given to the children of men.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭115:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus became a son of man so the word of man’s dominion on earth is fulfilled and also it bring me creation back here before he gave it to mankind

“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus then went to heaven

“So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

And so we see n Gods realm of heaven the king has arrived and kingdom has come

“And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: ( psalm 2 the son and king ) and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

,,And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them.

( here’s my probably lost point by now even though the kingdom is celebrating in heaven in earth there’s still bad things happening to gods people in earth because of curse of sin )


Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:5, 10-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We see later the saints of God being killed and slaughtered ect . Him allowing things is part of the design of mankind’s agency and even part of his plan that is good for even those passing away notice these haven’t been reconciled yet

“And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: and they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭6:9-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

God has a plan we just don’t think as big and with such a macro view of it as he does he will make all wrongs right one day but if we’re just seeing this world and what happens we may not understand because he surely does allow some terrible things to happen only …..it was never his Will for them to happen it was ours

I agree with your understanding of how God operates in the world. Here is a relevant item I just posted on the HOB thread:

Having completed a summary "KISS" of the HOB, I will conclude by attempting to boil it down to the bare minimum for memorization.

1. Creation – God, Alpha, “Big Bang” c. 14 billion years B.C. & Earth c. 4 billion years B.C., space/geography & time/chronology, culminating with human souls in His image (having MFW) c. 100,000 B.C. for the purpose of providing them the possibility of attaining eternal joy in heaven via cooperating with His HS/Word/Way/POS.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I agree with your understanding of how God operates in the world. Here is a relevant item I just posted on the HOB thread:

Having completed a summary "KISS" of the HOB, I will conclude by attempting to boil it down to the bare minimum for memorization.

1. Creation – God, Alpha, “Big Bang” c. 14 billion years B.C. & Earth c. 4 billion years B.C., space/geography & time/chronology, culminating with human souls in His image (having MFW) c. 100,000 B.C. for the purpose of providing them the possibility of attaining eternal joy in heaven via cooperating with His HS/Word/Way/POS.

If I’m being honest I can’t understand what you wrote there , I’m not criticizing you but saying my Brains pretty worn out at this age and most likely the issue of why I don’t understand it .

also I have no clue about times of creation or when he’s coming ect but have a lot of agreement on what you write here often so it’s appreciated.

To me those things distract from the ideas in his doctrine that Jesus could come at any time , and no one knows when .

“But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.

For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.

Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning: lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.

And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭13:32-37‬ ‭KJV‬‬



“Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

……..And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.

Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.

But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.

Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭25:1, 10-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

a there’s a certain urgency in the doctrine that teaches us to repent and begin to act right and live right while we wait in expectation for someday Jesus is coming whether next week or ten thousand years he’s coming . So it sort of always had distracted me when I was younger so I never really studied or thought I could figure out the time of the beginning or end really just that I believe he’s coming and when it’s time he surely will come.