Saved by faith alone?

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I think they believed, trusted and had faith in Satan and thus not in God. How about you?

So, again, what does it mean to have faith in Satan? For what?
IOW, who is God to them?
James 2 verse 19 You believe that God is one. Good for you! Even the demons believe that— and shudder.
 

Kroogz

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Do you trust Jesus can take you to heaven? You just have to trust him?
Yes. And Yes.

You should read your analogy/story a little closer.

The story is about us getting in the basket(work) and getting a"cross" by our faith.

Where it is by GRACE( Him going aCROSS) and we simply believe.
 
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So, the moral of the story for you is that belief is either belief in some facts without trusting Jesus for salvation or Belief that trusts Jesus for salvation, correct?

And basically, the same applies to the demons, correct?

So, Faith essentially boils down to trusting Jesus for salvation.

Am I misunderstanding you anywhere?
Belief that falls short of trusting exclusively in Jesus Christ for salvation is not saving belief. It's too late for the demons. They made their choice to reject God and follow Satan when they were expelled from heaven. Their fate is sealed. Faith that saves trusts 100% in Jesus Christ for salvation and not 50% in Jesus Christ and 50% in works for example.
 

Cameron143

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The faith that saves is a produced faith by the Spirit employing the word of God. When the supernatural origin of faith is ignored, we end up with human reasoning.
 

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Yes. And Yes.

You should read your analogy/story a little closer.

The story is about us getting in the basket(work) and getting a"cross" by our faith.

Where it is by GRACE( Him going aCROSS) and we simply believe.
Isn't getting in the basket, works?

You seemingly used believe and faith interchangeably.
 

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Belief that falls short of trusting exclusively in Jesus Christ for salvation is not saving belief. It's too late for the demons. They made their choice to reject God and follow Satan when they were expelled from heaven. Their fate is sealed. Faith that saves trusts 100% in Jesus Christ for salvation and not 50% in Jesus Christ and 50% in works for example.
So, my summary was correct?
 
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IOW, who is God to them?
Acts 19 verse 15 Eventually, one of the evil spirits answered them, “Jesus I know, and I know about Paul, but who are you?”

Mark 1 verse 24
“What do You want with us, Jesus of Nazareth? Have You come to destroy us? I know who You are—the Holy One of God!”


Luke 4 verse 34
“Ha! What do You want with us, Jesus of Nazareth? Have You come to destroy us? I know who You are—the Holy One of God!”


Matthew 8 verse 29
“What do You want with us, Son of God?” they shouted. “Have You come here to torture us before the appointed time?”


James 2 verse 19
You believe that God is one. Good for you! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.


Mark 5 verse 7
And he shouted in a loud voice, “What do You want with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I beg You before God not to torture me!”


Luke 8 verse 28
When the man saw Jesus, he cried out and fell down before Him, shouting in a loud voice,
“What do You want with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I beg You not to torture me!”


Luke 10 verse 17
The seventy-two returned with joy and said, “Lord, even the demons submit to us in Your name.”


Mark 3 verse 11
And when the unclean spirits saw Him, they fell down before Him and cried out, “You are the Son of God!
 
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There's no different word for faith, belief, trust in the Greek Text. And it uses believe and faith interchangeably, as do most English translations, including in regard to Abraham.
Again I ask can I believe something is true but not trust that something and still be saved?
 

Kroogz

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Isn't getting in the basket, works?

You seemingly used believe and faith interchangeably.
Look a little closer.

Their argument makes that distinction.

Not really being saved because of the lack of works is the EXACT same thing As losing salvation because of the lack of works.

It's works based with both arguments.
 
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Yes. And Yes.

You should read your analogy/story a little closer.

The story is about us getting in the basket(work) and getting a"cross" by our faith.

Where it is by GRACE( Him going aCROSS) and we simply believe.
No
the story is about someone going from one side to another in a way no one could take without help

They simply believes they did not trust. That’s why they did not get on the train so to speak.
 
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Look a little closer.

Their argument makes that distinction.

Not really being saved because of the lack of works is the EXACT same thing As losing salvation because of the lack of works.

It's works based with both arguments.
Salvation can not be lost so this is a mute point