What are UFOs to you?

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Lynx

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Eli1 said:
I also agree with you that this article is full of baloney. We're just discussing at what step of the baloney we should call it baloney. :D
Besides all those other assumptions that we both mentioned, i think this whole radio wave communication is the first step of the baloney that caught my eye.
I mean, what kind of radio transmission did they sent? A UHF transmission? And how many obstacles did this transmission run through which would slow it down compared to light?

Then the rest of the baloneys follow.
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My baloney started with the speed of light.

For most of my life I believed the speed of light was the speed limit of the universe. They say nothing can go faster than that. Allegedly if you get up to an appreciable fraction of that speed, time slows down for you.

But what is the objective stationary object against which we are measuring this speed? The center of our galaxy? The center of the universe?

Also, what about stars that are moving toward ours? When light from them reaches us it is moving faster than the speed of light relative to our planet. "But it was moving at the speed of light when it was emitted from the star that made it." Yeah, so it has its own speed of light plus the speed of the star. No matter what object you choose to measure its speed by... Unless every star is perfectly still, there MUST be some light that is moving faster than the speed of light.

Actually scientists use this to determine the vector of different stars. Light gets more red as the object moves toward you, and more blue as the object emitting it moves away from you. That's one of the ways light acts like a wave. So if light was NOT moving slightly faster or slower than the speed of light, red/blue shift wouldn't work.
 
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My baloney started with the speed of light.

For most of my life I believed the speed of light was the speed limit of the universe. They say nothing can go faster than that. Allegedly if you get up to an appreciable fraction of that speed, time slows down for you.

But what is the objective stationary object against which we are measuring this speed? The center of our galaxy? The center of the universe?

Also, what about stars that are moving toward ours? When light from them reaches us it is moving faster than the speed of light relative to our planet. "But it was moving at the speed of light when it was emitted from the star that made it." Yeah, so it has its own speed of light plus the speed of the star. No matter what object you choose to measure its speed by... Unless every star is perfectly still, there MUST be some light that is moving faster than the speed of light.

Actually scientists use this to determine the vector of different stars. Light gets more red as the object moves toward you, and more blue as the object emitting it moves away from you. That's one of the ways light acts like a wave. So if light was NOT moving slightly faster or slower than the speed of light, red/blue shift wouldn't work.
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Good points free thinker. :D
Why the redshift if the speed of light is absolute? Because the wave is stretched out the scientists say, especially while the Universe is still expanding.
Also the expansion of the Universe could be faster than light, not sure what the scientists say about this, but my next question to them is: Where is this Universe expanding into? Nobody knows this and we can't know it.

The objective stationary object to measure the speed is Point A to Point B in a vacuum, scientists say.

And the effect of time was measured with two twins that were sent in space.
Twins Study | About - NASA
The one who was up there in orbit is a few milliseconds younger than his twin brother since Time for him ran slower up there.
Scientists also say that if you do ONE SINGLE orbit near a black hole with a ship, 1000 years would have passed on Earth when you return.

Now we need to order some appetizers to continue this discussion. :coffee:
 
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Eli1 said:
Good points free thinker. :D
Why the redshift if the speed of light is absolute? Because the wave is stretched out the scientists say, especially while the Universe is still expanding.
Also the expansion of the Universe could be faster than light, not sure what the scientists say about this, but my next question to them is: Where is this Universe expanding into? Nobody knows this and we can't know it.

The objective stationary object to measure the speed is Point A to Point B in a vacuum, scientists say.

And the effect of time was measured with two twins that were sent in space.
Twins Study | About - NASA
The one who was up there in orbit is a few milliseconds younger than his twin brother since Time for him ran slower up there.
Scientists also say that if you do ONE SINGLE orbit near a black hole with a ship, 1000 years would have passed on Earth when you return.

Now we need to order some appetizers to continue this discussion. :coffee:
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Between the centrifugal force of such an orbit and the shear force of being so close to such a small, strong gravity well, you would be a thin red paste on the wall if you tried to slingshot around a black hole that close.
 
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Lynx said:
If he did there would be some people who would drink it and claim it gives you special powers. And another faction that claims drinking it will make you gay.
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Considering Elon wears Satan armor, probably demonic powers..

He wore a Satanic Armor with Pentragram and inverted cross to a Red Carpet event: https://loudwire.com/elon-musk-wears-satanic-suit-armor/

Its from Diablo IV, which has very sinister Anti-Holy Trinity message in it so diabolic, I had to pray after reading it...
 
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SirSolaScriptura said:
Considering Elon wears Satan armor, probably demonic powers..

He wore a Satanic Armor with Pentragram and inverted cross to a Red Carpet event: https://loudwire.com/elon-musk-wears-satanic-suit-armor/

Its from Diablo IV, which has very sinister Anti-Holy Trinity message in it so diabolic, I had to pray after reading it...
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I'm sort of 50/50 with the whole UFOs being demonic because in some cases there is demonic activity when they're around.
One famous case which is also on TV is the Skinwalker Ranch. This place is flooded with UFO and other strange occurrences which are from dark places.
The cameramen of the show, had to leave the show because they were getting skin marks when entering some of these spaces and nightmares.
There are many places like this around the world but i mentioned this one since it's televised.
I personally never encountered any of these things, nor do i want to, but i know many people in the family or outside, including priests at the church who have delt with demonic activities.

Then the other side of the coin to this is that one should be aware when another group is trying to troll Christians with their "demonic" activities.
Being in Massachusetts i had to visit Salem once being the famous witch town and a place for the weird occult.
You know what i saw there? A bunch of people trying to monetize the whole story and nothing more.
-Hey young man, come here and let me read your hand for $100.
-Yeah sure thing lady, find another tourist to rip off.
 
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UFO is a real thing. There’s a lot of unidentified objects flying around. Whether any of of those saucers are actually flown by aliens is another question.

I have seen stuff like that myself. One time I was flying a chopper from a city in Alaska en route to somewhere around Seattle. Strange illumination, illogical movements and speed going from like a slow moving single engine propeller up to ballistic rocket speed and back. Probably just my imagination going crazy so I told nobody about it.
 
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Texasgal said:
UFO is a real thing. There’s a lot of unidentified objects flying around. Whether any of of those saucers are actually flown by aliens is another question.

I have seen stuff like that myself. One time I was flying a chopper from a city in Alaska en route to somewhere around Seattle. Strange illumination, illogical movements and speed going from like a slow moving single engine propeller up to ballistic rocket speed and back. Probably just my imagination going crazy so I told nobody about it.
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There’s a lot of stuff reported by the military which has been more encouraged now even by pentagon because before , if you talked about UFOs as a military member it would be a career ending move for that person.
But now they’re encouraged because Gen Congress is talking about it.
 
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I'm sort of 50/50 with the whole UFOs being demonic because in some cases there is demonic activity when they're around.
One famous case which is also on TV is the Skinwalker Ranch. This place is flooded with UFO and other strange occurrences which are from dark places.
The cameramen of the show, had to leave the show because they were getting skin marks when entering some of these spaces and nightmares.
There are many places like this around the world but i mentioned this one since it's televised.
I personally never encountered any of these things, nor do i want to, but i know many people in the family or outside, including priests at the church who have delt with demonic activities.

Then the other side of the coin to this is that one should be aware when another group is trying to troll Christians with their "demonic" activities.
Being in Massachusetts i had to visit Salem once being the famous witch town and a place for the weird occult.
You know what i saw there? A bunch of people trying to monetize the whole story and nothing more.
-Hey young man, come here and let me read your hand for $100.
-Yeah sure thing lady, find another tourist to rip off.
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When it is the real dark side.. the Satanic you can tell.. but even the monetization is itself Satanic, for Satan invented commerce, "Your rich commerce led you to violence, and you sinned. So I banished you in disgrace from the mountain of God. I expelled you, O mighty guardian Cherub (singular for Cherubim, those with four heads one a lion, four wings, not little baby angels in Romantic painting), from your place among the stones of fire." (Ezekiel 28:16), hence Satan is also Mammon that Jesus mentions, "
No one is able to serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and he will love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and he will despise the other. You are not able to serve God and Mammon (god of money, Satan)." (Matthew 6:24)
 
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