Understanding God’s election

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lrs68

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But the only one making such a claim is you. You have posited a position and claim others are making it, yet show no evidence that anyone has made the claim. Please identify the specific claims of specific people, or admit you have no such evidence to support the position.
A Martyr is someone who has done as I have stated. I guarantee there were no Reformed Martyrs because they would have claimed God did it all.
 

Kroogz

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Another lie. Y'all run around blathering on about how you understand my position when every post you make proves you do not.
This is the problem. You understand my position clearly and precisely. Accept it or reject it.

You have had thousands of posts to make us understand your position. The onus is on you not us.


There are 3 calvies on this forum that are respected. They are clear and precise. I reject it. But respect it.


The fence walkers and luke warm calvies that continue to try "cover" their true beliefs..........
 

HeIsHere

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You have posted over and over at nauseum that the Gospel has no power for the unbeliever. They can't hear, they can't see.

Quite the evangelist a calvie is.
Even though Cameron states the power is in the Gospel, which is new thing ... he still maintains that God has to give the person "belief."
I always feel like it is straddling the lanes.
I think the decline in this belief system (Thank you God!) are causing them to soften their rhetoric, seem more balanced, to bring in more adherents
 

Cameron143

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You have posted over and over at nauseum that the Gospel has no power for the unbeliever. They can't hear, they can't see.

Quite the evangelist a calvie is.
That is all the more reason to share the gospel, for in it is the power to save.

You have an idea about what people do based on their statements, yet know nothing of what they actually do. If the gospel is the power of God unto salvation, it behooves every Christian to share the good news. For some reason, you don't believe those who espouse reformed theology actually follow the great commission. You couldn't be more wrong.
 

Cameron143

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Even though Cameron states the power is in the Gospel, which is new thing ... he still maintains that God has to give the person "belief."
I always feel like it is straddling the lanes.
I think the decline in this belief system (Thank you God!) are causing them to soften their rhetoric, seem more balanced, to bring in more adherents
You are equally wrong. I have always espoused the gospel as God's means of salvation. Trying to characterize my beliefs as new is disingenuous on your part, but typical of your modus operandi.
 

Kroogz

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You have an idea about what people do based on their statements, yet know nothing of what they actually do.
Sorry. THIS is what we are actually doing on this forum. And If I was an unbeliever, I would be defeated and convinced that I have no opportunity to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ for my salvation from the things you share.
 

Cameron143

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Sorry. THIS is what we are actually doing on this forum. And If I was an unbeliever, I would be defeated and convinced that I have no opportunity to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ for my salvation from the things you share.
How do you know? Are you an unbeliever?

Surely you understand the difference between sharing the gospel and deliberating over doctrine. Are you saying that this thread is primarily concerned to evangelize the lost? Then why address me at all? Speak to that audience.
But that isn't what you are doing. You are employing some biblical texts and some your opinions in order to persuade others who already believe to your point of view.
 

Kroogz

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How do you know? Are you an unbeliever?

Surely you understand the difference between sharing the gospel and deliberating over doctrine. Are you saying that this thread is primarily concerned to evangelize the lost? Then why address me at all? Speak to that audience.
But that isn't what you are doing. You are employing some biblical texts and some your opinions in order to persuade others who already believe to your point of view.
Surely you understand that this is about the Gospel! Babes in Christ these days can't get past it.

John 3:16

Acts 16:31

Equal privilege and equal opportunity for ALL.
 

HeIsHere

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You are equally wrong. I have always espoused the gospel as God's means of salvation. Trying to characterize my beliefs as new is disingenuous on your part, but typical of your modus operandi.
Not really.

You know the gospel is the power of God to save. He gives hearing to the dead and they understand the message, and believe.
The Gospel only has power when God bequeaths belief according to you.

And yet scripture makes no qualification of granting hearing.... so in essence you deny its power.

Romans 1:16, which says, "For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek."
 

Rufus

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Apparently you were not raised by parents who taught you to love God from infancy and so you never rebelled against Him,
although this does not mean you were perfect, any more than you are now. However, you always believed you were the object of God's love despite having a human nature (2Tim. 3:15-17).
You're always making stuff up on the fly, aren't you? God didn't save me until I was well into my midlife. So what would you know what I believed about God? For your info, I was hardcore agnostic (but functionally I lived most of my life as though there was no God!), so I never gave Him a second thought after I graduated high school.
 

Rufus

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You are equally wrong. I have always espoused the gospel as God's means of salvation. Trying to characterize my beliefs as new is disingenuous on your part, but typical of your modus operandi.
The specialty of FWers is their constant use of carnal reasoning, which they must use to support their theologically bankrupt system.