President Trump’s Christianity

[Cameron143]

That applies if you consider a transaction with dollars to be in good faith. It's not you, or the corner store perpetrating the fraud; it's the people that make the funny money.

Two people making an exchange of anything willingly isn't fraud, as long as the items belong to them. It's called commerce. The medium of exchange is unimportant.
If people are dissatisfied with their current medium of exchange, there are others available.

 

[HeIsHere]

A good faith purchase isn't fraud. The problem with such sweeping statements is that they are too general to be accurate.

Too funny!!
This entire discussion board is about lack of details and complexity.

 

[HeIsHere]

The medium of exchange is unimportant.

Broad sweeping statement indicator alert!!!!

 

[Eli1]

Thank you for your comments. They are welcome.
In Matthew 25 Jesus explains what it means to live in the kingdom of God. He tells us to feed the hungry give drink to the thirsty welcome the Stranger, give clothes to those who need clothes, care for the sick and visit the prisoners. As Christians, we should be pursuing these ideas. Jesus was apolitical. The manner in which we vote should reflect the kingdom values that Jesus talks about. We should encourage the government’s helping the poor. The government is definitely not the kingdom of God. The only stage one needs to be in as a Christian is that of committing one’s life to following Christ in all areas of his or her life. Have a blessed day.

Good morning Larry and welcome to the site.
This topic, the mixing of politics and God is something that is discussed often here on this site. Not as much as Salvation of course, but a good amount of time is spent on it.
I usually pick and choose which topics i respond to and who i respond to.
Since you are new, i would direct you to this thread so i don't have to repeat myself.
Applying God's Word to Politics - Christian Chat Rooms & Forums

Thank you and have a blessed Sunday you and all your loved ones.

 

[Eli1]

I probably wouldn't have that much of a problem with the Donald if he hadn't used Christianity as a ruse to get elected. He's the one who made it about religion. Maga "apostles" and "prophets" are the ones preaching that the US was founded as a Christian nation and needs to be one again. Christian nationalists were the ones preaching at the Capitol on J6. So-called Christians are the ones behind most of Project 2025. If they want a Christian nation, fine, let's have one; but first they need to learn the true meaning of Christianity.

The left elected him genius. By being insane.

 

[Cameron143]

Broad sweeping statement indicator alert!!!!

This is why I have little respect for your comments. You post only part of my post that has been qualified in the greater post.
My objection wasn't to broad statement in general, but to those that stood alone without any context.
You are a dishonest person.

 

[ZNP]

Job 36:5 Behold, God is mighty, and despiseth not any: he is mighty in strength and wisdom.

So beware of despising any, including Presidents, kings and dictators.

6 He preserveth not the life of the wicked: but giveth right to the poor.

The only way we can say they are wicked is if they are given an opportunity to act. God doesn't strike us dead the first minute we sin.

7 He withdraweth not his eyes from the righteous: but with kings are they on the throne; yea, he doth establish them for ever, and they are exalted.

The word "righteous" does not mean "the self righteous". We are made righteous by the blood of Jesus when we confess and repent of our sins and take the Lord's blood as payment for our sins.

8 And if they be bound in fetters, and be holden in cords of affliction; 9 Then he sheweth them their work, and their transgressions that they have exceeded.

The only reason you are bound in fetters or held in cords of affliction is because of something that you have done or agreed to. Ask and seek the Lord to know what it is.

10 He openeth also their ear to discipline, and commandeth that they return from iniquity.

We are children of the king. The only reason Satan or any evil spirit can touch us is because we gave them permission. Pray that the eyes of your heart would be opened so you would know your mistake, and then deal with that.

11 If they obey and serve him, they shall spend their days in prosperity, and their years in pleasures. 12 But if they obey not, they shall perish by the sword, and they shall die without knowledge.

So we don't need to worry about whether or not this one or that one will be held accountable, we are given the sure word of God that they will be. What we should focus on is our own eternal judgment and our standing before the Lord.

 

[gb9]

The left elected him genius. By being insane.

yes, if they had maintained some levelness and reasoning, then maybe no trump.

but, wide open border, men and women can switch genders at will, letting men compete in women's sports, etc, that is what brought trump back.

 

[Eli1]

yes, if they had maintained some levelness and reasoning, then maybe no trump.

but, wide open border, men and women can switch genders at will, letting men compete in women's sports, etc, that is what brought trump back.

Exactly! And these folks learn nothing! They don't remember anything they have done in the past.
Trump can beat them again for a 3rd time easily since there are no signs of them waking up.
I saw their terrible performance on their DNC where they seemed lost, clueless and stuck on pronouns and their demonic state of the union performance where they don't even applaud for a child with brain cancer when the rest of the adults show him a little love and attention.
Trump should run again!

 

[HeIsHere]

This is why I have little respect for your comments. You post only part of my post that has been qualified in the greater post.
My objection wasn't to broad statement in general, but to those that stood alone without any context.
You are a dishonest person.

In context, out of context still a broad sweeping statement with little qualification considering one could write a book on the topic.

 

[Mouse_Cheeks]

Keep in mind most who claim to be "Christian" aren't really, His command to His own was to heal, cleanse, raise, etc.

And not a one here is able to Judge our brother Donald and his relationship with the Father.

 

[shittim]

And the step in that relationship he currently is at, as are we all, as He continues to conform us to the image of the Son as much as we grow/allow.
blessings

 

[SomeDisciple]

I believe Medicaid is health coverage, is the church going to do that too?

Churches already do get involved in healthcare; but that's not the point. Whether or to what extent Medicaid should operate wasn't the point either.

The point is that the church's agenda isn't carried out vicariously through the government, nor does it get credit for what is accomplished by government. If I feed the poor, then the church fed the poor. If I vote for the government to do it; that's not me doing it- that's me pawning it off on someone else.

But that incorrect mentality that government has to have a hand in everything in order for society to function is what leads to communism; and is the underlying cause of the garbage economy of the US right now.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

I missed your comment in a year ago. I just joined this chat. What he has accomplished is dismantling the consumer financial protection board, which saved Americans tens of billions of dollars from improper financial transactionsn. He’s also dismantled the NIH, which will make it difficult for us to get proper medical research. He has carelessly slash the veterans administration. His overall aim is to cut as much as he can so that he can give the ultra wealthy a tax break. Make no mistake about it. Trump is on the side of the millionaires. Remember what Jesus told the wealthy young man “give away all your wealth and income and follow me.”

I wonder why he told the rich young ruler that?

Could it be because he thought that he gets to heaven by keeping the law as the religious leaders taught, ie Pharisees?

After all didn't he keep ALL of the commandments from his youth up?
The man must've been perfect, there by justifying himself.
If ANYONE deserved eternal life it would be him......so he thought.
.
.
.Until Jesus pointed out the rich man's covetousness.
He did not realize he failed and did Not keep the law after all.

Have you kept the law from your youth up?

 

[Kroogz]

Trump‘s policies kicking people off of Medicaid is not in alignment with these kingdom goals.

You should change the above.

" Kicking people off of medicaid who ABUSE the system is in alignment with God."

1 Timothy 5:8 But if anyone does not provide for his own, and especially for those of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.

Trump is not kicking out the needy. He is trying to get rid of the ABUSE of medicaid.

We ALL should want it this way. The abusers of medicaid take from the ones who actually need it.

 

[LarryE]

I think most of us here are familiar with that interview- I think it's from his first presidential campaign; which was like 8 years ago now.

Even if nothing has changed since then; I offer the same answer to this that I gave back then: I didn't vote for him to be an Apostle, pastor, or teacher. Moreover, anyone else running was objectively worse.


When it says to feed the hungry, it means YOU, his disciple, feed the hungry; it doesn't mean that you make the government do it for you. That's the role of the church.

God in the old testament used pagan rulers, like the ruler of Persia and Babylonian for His own purposes. Amos witness to the rulers of Israel, telling them to “act justly love, mercy”.
You may be confusing the kingdom of God with Luthers Two Spheres theory. Luther said that the secular world and thereligious world do not interact. Poses the question: when is God not reining over the Earth and its inhabitants?
Thanks for your comments. Have a blessed day.

 

[LarryE]

God in the old testament used pagan rulers, like the ruler of Persia and Babylonian for His own purposes. Amos witness to the rulers of Israel, telling them to “act justly love, mercy”.
You may be confusing the kingdom of God with Luthers Two Spheres theory. Luther said that the secular world and thereligious world do not interact. Poses the question: when is God not reining over the Earth and its inhabitants?
Thanks for your comments. Have a blessed day.[/QUO
Correction. My quote was from Micah, not Amos. This is Amos 5:24: “ but let justice roll on like a river, righteousness like a never failing stream”. according to my commentary in this verse, God calls for personal righteousness, and the righteousness of the social order, protection of the weak and poor by the law. Sorry about the error.

 

[shittim]

Jesus taught in Him, ALL things are new.

 

[HeIsHere]

Churches already do get involved in healthcare; but that's not the point. Whether or to what extent Medicaid should operate wasn't the point either.

The point is that the church's agenda isn't carried out vicariously through the government, nor does it get credit for what is accomplished by government. If I feed the poor, then the church fed the poor. If I vote for the government to do it; that's not me doing it- that's me pawning it off on someone else.

But that incorrect mentality that government has to have a hand in everything in order for society to function is what leads to communism; and is the underlying cause of the garbage economy of the US right now.

Do you think the present day "church" has the means to feed the poor in the USA?
How exactly would this be done?

 

[Mouse_Cheeks]

I agree. I too pray for President Trump‘s conversion, and that he will act in a manner consistent with the kingdom of God. I hope all my brothers and sisters have a blessed Sunday

You're new. Welcome.

Resident Alien is supposedly Canadian.

Don't let their false empathy for our President Trump fool you. 99.9% of their posts in current events forum are full of hate filled vitriol for Trump and America.